Name 3 reasons you are not Catholic (yet).

[lak611]

Psst, Lak: Kevan is playing with words (and being pretty funny about it, actually)

Thanks. I missed the joke.

 

[Traveller1534]

Thanks. I missed the joke.

Actually it is not a joke, it is a celebration of freedom in the holy spirit!

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

Actually it is not a joke, it is a celebration of freedom in the holy spirit!

Exactly right!

 

[water]

36 years here! Someone needs to start another thread.
How many years were you a catholic before you left?!

He left before he misunderstood Catholic - he said we worship Mary.
We don’t!

 

[Mannyfit75]

Exactly right!

more like the celebration of contradictions because of Sola Scriptura’s varies interpretation like OSAS, Rapture, etc…

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

more like the celebration of contradictions because of Sola Scriptura’s varies interpretation like OSAS, Rapture, etc…/QUOTEH

How about contradictions like limbo? When I was growing up Catholic, we were taught that unbaptized babies go to limbo. Whether limbo was official doctrine or not, it was definitely something that was believed by Catholics during my growing-up years in the 1960’s and 1970’s. Now it seems, the teaching on limbo has changed.

No contradiction there? Right!

 

[lak611]

Mannyfit75;2157473:

more like the celebration of contradictions because of Sola Scriptura’s varies interpretation like OSAS, Rapture, etc…[/QUOTEH

How about contradictions like limbo? When I was growing up Catholic, we were taught that unbaptized babies go to limbo. Whether limbo was official doctrine or not, it was definitely something that was believed by Catholics during my growing-up years in the 1960’s and 1970’s. Now it seems, the teaching on limbo has changed.

No contradiction there? Right!

Limbo was never Dogma.

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[Priscilla_Ann]

Priscilla Ann;2157509:

Limbo was never Dogma.

Perhaps it was never Dogma, but it WAS believed. My grandparents believed it; my parents believed it; and I was taught to believe it.

I remember my mother telling me that my baby sister (5 years younger than me) had to be baptized as soon as possible, because unbaptized babies who died went to limbo. I remember my mother telling me the same thing when my son was born 23 years ago.

Again, you can say that it was never Dogma. However, it was taught; and it was commonly believed among the Catholics I knew.

 

[Mannyfit75]

[ore like the celebration of contradictions because of Sola Scriptura’s varies interpretation like OSAS, Rapture, etc…[/QUOTEH

How about contradictions like limbo? When I was growing up Catholic, we were taught that unbaptized babies go to limbo. Whether limbo was official doctrine or not, it was definitely something that was believed by Catholics during my growing-up years in the 1960’s and 1970’s. Now it seems, the teaching on limbo has changed.

No contradiction there? Right!

Limbo was a theological theory debated amongst Catholic scholars and theologians. The Catholic Church **NEVER **officially declare it to be part of the Deposit of Faith. It was a common belief back then but it was never defined. It was never settle until now when the Church made an official announcement that Limbo does not exist.

The Deposit of Faith is unchanging. It’s been handed to us.

For an Ex-Catholic, you apparently don’t know the concept of deposit of faith. Nor have you read articles concerning the belief in Limbo.

You can check the Vatican Archives yourself and you will find an OFFICIAL Document that mention Limbo as part of the Deposit of Faith.
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[lak611]

Perhaps it was never Dogma, but it WAS believed. My grandparents believed it; my parents believed it; and I was taught to believe it.

I remember my mother telling me that my baby sister (5 years younger than me) had to be baptized as soon as possible, because unbaptized babies who died went to limbo. I remember my mother telling me the same thing when my son was born 23 years ago.

Again, you can say that it was never Dogma. However, it was taught; and it was commonly believed among the Catholics I knew.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,”[63] allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/baptism.html#NECESSITY

 

[Mannyfit75]

lak611;2157512:

Perhaps it was never Dogma, but it WAS believed. My grandparents believed it; my parents believed it; and I was taught to believe it.

I remember my mother telling me that my baby sister (5 years younger than me) had to be baptized as soon as possible, because unbaptized babies who died went to limbo. I remember my mother telling me the same thing when my son was born 23 years ago.

Again, you can say that it was never Dogma. However, it was taught; and it was commonly believed among the Catholics I knew.

Yes it was. Yet find me a document that it was part of the Deposit of Faith.

Second, where does it say in the Bible that all authority of matters concerning faith and moral is in the Bible ALONE? Second, the word Trinity isn’t even there. It was not until the Council of Nicea that the Trinitarian doctrine was defined in order to defined the divinity of Jesus Christ, who is Both God, and Man. The Word made flesh.

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

Priscilla Ann;2157535:

Yes it was. Yet find me a document that it was part of the Deposit of Faith.

Second, where does it say in the Bible that all authority of matters concerning faith and moral is in the Bible ALONE? Second, the word Trinity isn’t even there. It was not until the Council of Nicea that the Trinitarian doctrine was defined in order to defined the divinity of Jesus Christ, who is Both God, and Man. The Word made flesh.

The Bible is certainly sufficient for me. I do not find it to be lacking in any way.

I have early church service tomorrow morning; and it is now after midnight in my time zone.

Good night!

 

[Mannyfit75]

Mannyfit75;2157553:

The Bible is certainly sufficient for me. I do not find it to be lacking in any way.

I have early church service tomorrow morning; and it is now after midnight in my time zone.

Good night!

Yet the Apostles did not adhere to Bible Alone. True! Bible is sufficient but its not only the authority. It is Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and Magisterium of the Church.

In fact, the Council of Jerusalem did not cite Scripture but relied on the Public Revelation given to Peter that Gentiles can be converted without the need of circumcision. Had they gone to Scripture Alone (in this case, OT), the Gentile would still be required to be circumcised.

I do hope you return because you are missing Jesus Christ in the Blessed Eucharist. He is there. His Presence is here… It is a shame that Ex-Catholic leave the Church…

 

[BumpSetSpike]

Are we still doing the 3 reasons? Here are mine

1. I want to know everything I can about the doctrines, history, etc, of the Catholic church, my own church, and most major religions before I can make a concrete decision (though I can’t see myself a member of any other faith)
2. I want to prepare myself spiritually by reading scripture, prayer, fasting, and improving on virtues in which I lack.
3. If I did make a final decision before I’m 18 (three yrs from now), the only thing in my way would be my family and all I need to do about that is have patience and trust God.

 

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I want to know everything I can about the doctrines, history, etc, of the Catholic church, my own church, and most major religions before I can make a concrete decision (though I can’t see myself a member of any other faith)

You will never know everything… you say you can’t see yourselve as anythin else… Why not??

1. If I did make a final decision before I’m 18 (three yrs from now), the only thing in my way would be my family and all I need to do about that is have patience and trust God.

What religion is your family and why wouldn’t they want u to be Catholic? how were u raised??

I am that you are so young and yet so concerned about things (that i wasn’t all that concenred about at your age).

 

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1. My Baptist upbringing implanted some rather foul (most of which have been dispelled at this point) misconceptions/stereotypes of Catholics and Catholicism

That doesn’t surprise me… But what exactly did they teach u about Catholics?

Do you still believe those things? Which ones do you believe/not believe?
Do you belong to a certain church??

 

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I have grave misgivings about the development of the Papacy into a kind of monarchy, and of the influence of the Roman imperial model (which I believe to be the Beast mentioned in Revelation) on these developments.

I don’t think u have to worry about the Church taking over this world, if that’s what you mean… If anything, the world is taking over the Church.

1. My wife is unwilling to become Catholic, and becoming Catholic would result in conflict with her and with my parents, and would also create complications in raising our daughter. This is probably the place to mention my belief in women’s ordination, since it only makes the Top Three list insofar as it is my wife’s main objection to Catholicism

Jesus never chose women for Apostles. Jesus was a “rebel” and if he had wanted women as Apostles, he would have chosen them - or, if in fearing the Jews (etc), he may have held off making them Apostles until after his resurrection, then made it clear to the Apostles that they should replace Judas (& others) w/ women… Yet he didn’t…
Jesus loved women. But women were mostly created by God to be nurturers (mothers/wives). Women who think this is somehow unfair are wrong. The greatest job in the world is motherhood… Through parenthood, people learn to be self-less and empathetic, etc… (more like Christ).
Anyway, maybe another reason women shouldn’t be priests is that women were so eeasily deceived by the devil in the Garden… However, Man probably committed the greater sin by being outright disobedient… which is maybe hte reason Jesus had to be a man… (??). Only God knows the answers to some of these things… (and He aint tellin’ ).
Anyway… i’d rather be a mother than a priest…
Frankly, i feel that if priests were allowed to be married (not saying they should be…), maybe they would learn to be a little more loving, less cold. I’ve met some very cold, even seemingly “controlling” priests in my life… (long story…)
God bless…

 

[Curious]

I’m curious as to why ex-Catholics hang out here? If you’re so free and liberated now, why return to people who think in a way in which you now disapprove? Nostalgia? Sincere fellowship? Trying to persuade the Catholics here to leave the Church?

Sorry if this is a derail. I was just curious. As usual.

 

[Kevan]

Psst, Lak: Kevan is playing with words (and being pretty funny about it, actually)

It is not necessary to cast aspirations on my character. I am aware that I am no commodian. If I tried to be funny, people would just laugh at me.

Continence is the same thing as abstinence. The land masses of the earth are continents.

I am not Catholic, so I don’t know how land masses differ from regular ones; but if other continence believe in abstinence then we need more such masses here as well.

When the OP asked us to name three reasonable Catholics, I didn’t know who to pick. But now I do. This thread has been most unlightening, and I thank you.

 

[Fragile]

1. I want to make sure it is God who is behind my desire to return to the Catholic Church
2. I have some issues w/doctrine
3. Fear of man