Name one Catholic teaching that contradicts Scripture

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Why do you wrestle with the Word of God ? Why don’t you believe in the inherrant Word ?

What are you talking about? Of course Catholics believe in the inerrant Word of God! The “deposit of faith” left to us includes both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. Do you think everything that Christ and the apostles taught is in the Bible? It isn’t. Even the Bible says not everything is in there. Oral Tradition is just as much from God as the Bible. Do you believe all oral Tradition was to cease once the Canon was set?

 

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JesusHasMyHeart:

Because you are told to by your authorities.

“My authorities”? Who gave you authority to teach me? Where you ordained through the laying on of hands the way our bishops who have apostolic tradition are? False teachers have no authority. Authoritythrough apostolic succession is biblical.

Ordained Leaders Share in Jesus’ Ministry and Authority

Matt. 10:1,40 - Jesus declares to His apostles, “he who receives you, receives Me, and he who rejects you, rejects Me and the One who sent Me.” Jesus freely gives His authority to the apostles in order for them to effectively convert the world.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - the apostles are given Christ’s authority to make visible decisions on earth that will be ratified in heaven. God raises up humanity in Christ by exalting his chosen leaders and endowing them with the authority and grace they need to bring about the conversion of all. Without a central authority in the Church, there would be chaos (as there is in Protestantism).

Luke 9:1; 10:19 - Jesus gives the apostles authority over the natural and the supernatural (diseases, demons, serpents, and scorpions).

Luke 10:16 - Jesus tells His apostles, “he who hears you, hears Me.” When we hear the bishops’ teaching on the faith, we hear Christ Himself.

Luke 22:29 - the Father gives the kingdom to the Son, and the Son gives the kingdom to the apostles. The gift is transferred from the Father to the Son to the apostles.

Num 16:28 - the Father’s authority is transferred to Moses. Moses does not speak on his own. This is a real transfer of authority.

John 5:30 - similarly, Jesus as man does nothing of His own authority, but He acts under the authority of the Father.

John 7:16-17 - Jesus as man states that His authority is not His own, but from God. He will transfer this authority to other men.

John 8:28 - Jesus says He does nothing on His own authority. Similarly, the apostles will do nothing on their own authority. Their authority comes from God.

John 12:49 - The father’s authority is transferred to the Son. The Son does not speak on his own. This is a transfer of divine authority.

John 13:20 - Jesus says, “he who receives anyone who I send, receives Me.” He who receives the apostles, receives Christ Himself. He who rejects the apostles and their successors, rejects Christ.

John 14:10 - Jesus says the Word He speaks is not His own authority, but from the Father. The gift is from the Father to Jesus to the apostles.

John 16:14-15 - what the Father has, the Son has, and the Son gives it to the apostles. The authority is not lessened or mitigated.

John 17:18; 20:21 - as the Father sends the Son, the Son sends the apostles. The apostles have divinely appointed authority.

Acts 20:28 - the apostles are shepherds and guardians appointed by the Holy Spirit / 1 Peter 2:25 - Jesus is the Shepherd and Guardian. The apostles, by the power of the Spirit, share Christ’s ministry and authority.

Jer. 23:1-8; Ezek. 34:1-10 - the shepherds must shepherd the sheep, or they will be held accountable by God.

Eph. 2:20 - the Christian faith is built upon the foundation of the apostles. The word “foundation” proves that it does not die with apostles, but carries on through succession. Eph. 2:20; Rev. 21:9,14 - the words “household,” “Bride of the Lamb,” the “new Jerusalem” are all metaphors for the Church whose foundation is the apostles.

 

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Authority is Transferred by the Sacrament of Ordination

Acts 1:15-26 - the first thing Peter does after Jesus ascends into heaven is implement apostolic succession. Matthias is ordained with full apostolic authority. Only the Catholic Church can demonstrate an unbroken apostolic lineage to the apostles in union with Peter through the sacrament of ordination and thereby claim to teach with Christ’s own authority.

Acts 1:20 - a successor of Judas is chosen. The authority of his office (his “bishopric”) is respected notwithstanding his egregious sin. The necessity to have apostolic succession in order for the Church to survive was understood by all. God never said, “I’ll give you leaders with authority for about 400 years, but after the Bible is compiled, you are all on your own.”

Acts 1:22 - literally, “one must be ordained” to be a witness with us of His resurrection. Apostolic ordination is required in order to teach with Christ’s authority.

Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.

Acts 9:17-19 - even Paul, who was directly chosen by Christ, only becomes a minister after the laying on of hands by a bishop. This is a powerful proof-text for the necessity of sacramental ordination in order to be a legitimate successor of the apostles.

Acts 13:3 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority must come from a Catholic bishop.

Acts 14:23 - the apostles and newly-ordained men appointed elders to have authority throughout the Church.

Acts 15:22-27 - preachers of the Word must be sent by the bishops in union with the Church. We must trace this authority to the apostles.

2 Cor. 1:21-22 - Paul writes that God has commissioned certain men and sealed them with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee.

Col 1:25 - Paul calls his position a divine “office.” An office has successors. It does not terminate at death. Or it’s not an office. See also Heb. 7:23 – an office continues with another successor after the previous office-holder’s death.

1 Tim. 3:1 - Paul uses the word “episcopoi” (bishop) which requires an office. Everyone understood that Paul’s use of episcopoi and office meant it would carry on after his death by those who would succeed him.

1 Tim. 4:14 - again, apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination).

1 Tim. 5:22 - Paul urges Timothy to be careful in laying on the hands (ordaining others). The gift of authority is a reality and cannot be used indiscriminately.

2 Tim. 1:6 - Paul again reminds Timothy the unique gift of God that he received through the laying on of hands.

2 Tim. 4:1-6 - at end of Paul’s life, Paul charges Timothy with the office of his ministry . We must trace true apostolic lineage back to a Catholic bishop.

2 Tim. 2:2 - this verse shows God’s intention is to transfer authority to successors (here, Paul to Timothy to 3rd to 4th generation). It goes beyond the death of the apostles.

Titus 1:5; Luke 10:1 - the elders of the Church are appointed and hold authority. God has His children participate in Christ’s work.

1 John 4:6 - whoever knows God listens to us (the bishops and the successors to the apostles). This is the way we discern truth and error (not just by reading the Bible and interpreting it for ourselves).

Exodus 18:25-26 - Moses appoints various heads over the people of God. We see a hierarchy, a transfer of authority and succession.

Exodus 40:15 - the physical anointing shows that God intended a perpetual priesthood with an identifiable unbroken succession.

Numbers 3:3 - the sons of Aaron were formally “anointed” priests in “ordination” to minister in the priests’ “office.”

Numbers 16:40 - shows God’s intention of unbroken succession within His kingdom on earth. Unless a priest was ordained by Aaron and his descendants, he had no authority.

Numbers 27:18-20 - shows God’s intention that, through the “laying on of hands,” one is commissioned and has authority.

Deut. 34:9 - Moses laid hands upon Joshua, and because of this, Joshua was obeyed as successor, full of the spirit of wisdom. Sirach 45:15 - Moses ordains Aaron and anoints him with oil. There is a transfer of authority through formal ordination.

 

[Eden]

Jesus Wants Us to Obey Apostolic Authority

Acts 5:13 - the people acknowledged the apostles’ special authority and did not dare take it upon themselves.

Acts 15:6,24; 16:4 - the teaching authority is granted to the apostles and their successors. This teaching authority must be traced to the original apostles, or the authority is not sanctioned by Christ.

Rom. 15:16 – Paul says he is a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable. This refers to the ministerial priesthood of the ordained which is distinguishable from the universal priesthood of the laity. Notice the Gentiles are the “sacrifice” and Paul does the “offering.”

1 Cor. 5:3-5; 16:22; 1 Tim. 1:20; Gal 1:8; Matt 18:17 – these verses show the authority of the elders to excommunicate / anathemize (“deliver to satan”).

2 Cor. 2:17 - Paul says the elders are not just random peddlers of God’s word. They are actually commissioned by God. It is not self-appointed authority.

2 Cor. 3:6 – Paul says that certain men have been qualified by God to be ministers of a New Covenant. This refers to the ministerial priesthood of Christ handed down the ages through sacramental ordination.

2 Cor. 5:20 - Paul says we are “ambassadors” for Christ. This means that the apostles and their successors share an actual participation in Christ’s mission, which includes healing, forgiving sins, and confecting the sacraments.

2 Cor. 10:6 – in reference to the ordained, Paul says that they are ready to punish every disobedience. The Church has the authority excommunicate those who disobey her.

2 Cor. 10:8 - Paul acknowledges his authority over God’s people which the Lord gave to build up the Church.

1 Thess. 5:12-13 - Paul charges the members of the Church to respect those who have authority over them.

2 Thess. 3:14 - Paul says if a person does not obey what he has provided in his letter, have nothing to do with him.

1 Tim. 5:17 - Paul charges the members of the Church to honor the appointed elders (“priests”) of the Church.

Titus 2:15 - Paul charges Timothy to exhort and reprove with all authority, which he received by the laying on of hands.

Heb. 12:9 – in the context of spiritual discipline, the author says we have had earthly fathers (referring to the ordained leaders) to discipline us and we respected them.

Heb. 13:7,17 - Paul charges the members of the Church to remember and obey their leaders who have authority over their souls.

1 Peter 2:18 - Peter charges the servants to be submissive to their masters whether kind and gentle or overbearing.

1 Peter 5:5; Jude 8 - Peter and Jude charge the members of the Church to be subject to their elders.

2 Peter 2:10 - Peter warns the faithful about despising authority. He is referring to the apostolic authority granted to them by Christ.

3 John 9 - John points out that Diotrephes does not acknowledge John’s apostolic authority and declares that this is evil.

Deut. 17:10-13 - the Lord commands His faithful Israel to obey the priests that He puts in charge, and do to all that they direct and instruct. The Lord warns that those who do not obey His priests shall die.

Num. 16:1-35 - Korah incited a “protestant” rebellion against God’s chosen Moses in an effort to confuse the distinction between the ministerial and universal offices of priesthood, and Korah and his followers perished. (This effort to blind the distinctions between the priests and the laity is still pursued by dissidents today.) Sirach 7:29-30 - with all your soul fear the Lord and honor His priests, love your Maker and do not forsake His ministers. God is not threatened by the authority He gives His children! God, as our Loving Father, invites us to participate in His plan of salvation with His Son Jesus. Without authority in the Church, there is error, chaos and confusion.

www.scripturecatholic.com

 

[Eden]

So, what denomination have you joined?

Who founded it?

In what year?

In what country?

Who gave the person who founded your denomination the authority to make up their own religion? (Quotes from scripture on this please.)

Why are your authorities legitimate yet mine, with apostolic succession, are not? (Quotes from scripture on this final one too, please.)

 

[JesusHasMyHeart]

Eden:

Again you have stated that Catholics are not Christian. This is highly insulting!

Sadly, you have been deceived by false teachers. May the Holy Spirit guide you back to Truth.

By the way, it is a common tactic of Protestants to come on here and fill a post with 10 or 20 accusations in one or two posts, as you have.

Answer:
Maybe you aren’t getting the message God is sending you. It wasn’t uncommon for the house of Israel to kill the Prophets sent to them with Gods message, I am seeing some similarities here.

It would be much better if you would post one thread for each topic so they all get the attention they deserve. Thanks.

Dear Eden,
False teachers ? The word of God ? False ? My teacher is the Holy Spirit, and if you think that is a false teacher, you need to take that up with God. The things you say to me feel inspired by the devil, because the bible tells me their is no condemnation to them that are in Christ jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit. Romans 8, you might want to read the whole chapter, VERY insightful. I think you need to take a good hard loooonnnggg look in the mirror and ask God to show you the truth.

Catholics not Christian, Jesus said if you are not born again you will not inherrit eternal life, if you are not filled with the Holy Spirit you do not belong to Him. Jesus even said that Many will cry Lord Lord, but He will say depart from Me I never KNEW you. Hereby we know that we are His disciples, we would have love one for another and be likeminded.

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Well just to let you know, you have been lied to, and you have been told that the Catholic church preceeds the authority even of the word of God.

I have not been lied to. You have been lied to. You have left the Church He founded, the one He said the “gates of hell” will not prevail against, the one he called “the pillar and foundation of truth”, the one He promised would be led “into all truth” - to join a church started by some man within the past 4 centuries.

Which denomination did you choose when you left the Church again?

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Dear Eden,
False teachers ? The word of God ? False ? My teacher is the Holy Spirit, and if you think that is a false teacher, you need to take that up with God.

Oh. I beg your pardon. I didn’t realize you have been given the charism of infallibility by the Holy Spirit when interpreting the Word of God and speaking on matters of faith and morals. My apologies. Your infalliblity certainly changes matters, doesn’t it…

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Dear The things you say to me feel inspired by the devil, because the bible tells me their is no condemnation to them that are in Christ jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

So, your only defense against all of the evidence I have provided that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ is that I am inspired by the devil? The deceptions of Protestantism are from the devil. The Eucharist is not really the Body and Blood of Christ? The Great Deceiver wants us to believe it is not. Once Saved Always Saved? The Great Deceiver would love for everyone to believe our personal salvation is assured. Sure doesn’t keep us on our guard when salvation is believed to be assured, does it?

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

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Catholics not Christian, Jesus said if you are not born again you will not inherrit eternal life, if you are not filled with the Holy Spirit you do not belong to Him.

This refers to baptism. One is born again and filled with the Holy Spirit by water baptism. I already answered this. I even showed that the earliest Christians believed this. All who are baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are Christian.
Can you provide a quote from an early Christian that supports your understanding of John 3:5?

Catholics are the first Christians. We see the word “Christian” first used at Antioch in Acts. Then the Bishop of Antioch (auditor to the apostles - said to have been ordained by Peter himself) says around 107 A.D.:

Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. - Epistle to the Smyrmaeans, Chapter VIII (circa 107 A.D.)

 

[AlegreFe]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Alegra,
Do you honestly want to know what Im afraid of ? I fear for your soul and that you won’t make it to heaven because of the error of the Catholic teaching.

There is no need to fear for me. Although I am a sinner and my soul needs constant conversion, I am just fine where I am. I have the assurance of God’s promise and all the gifts that He gave us in His Church; the gifts that I accept over and over again because God’s name is mercy and He’s constantly giving them to me, I just have to keep accepting them. Jesus loves me the way that I am. But that doesn’t mean that I can do whatever I want. I don’t want to offend Jesus in any way. So I have to examine my conscience before I receive Jesus in the Eucharist. I thank God for that great gift of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.

JesusHasMyHeart:

I used to be Cathoic myself, even was considering becoming a Nun, because I thought that was the ultimate devotion to God until I realized in Gods word that God is no respector of persons and we are all equal in the eyes of God, and I can live a normal life devoted to God with more intensity then I ever dreamed of.

God calls us all to different vocations. You must have heard God’s voice in your heart if you wanted to become a nun. Either something happened or someone tried to talk you out of it.

Where did you read in the bible that God doesn’t call people to different vocations? Or that God thinks that we are all equal?

This is a verse that I know from Ephesians chapter 4:
11 And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets,
others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers,
12 to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for
building up the body of Christ,
13 until we all attain to the unity of faith and knowledge
of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the extent of the
full stature of Christ,
14 so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and
swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human
trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful
scheming.
15 Rather, living the truth in love, we should grow in
every way into him who is the head, Christ,
16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by
every supporting ligament, with the proper functioning of each
part, brings about the body’s growth and builds itself up in
love.
Hhhmmm, I wonder what that sounds like? Sounds like the Catholic Church to me. And those infants being tossed around and swept away are all those Protestant denominations and other religions. Jesus is the head and we are His Body which is the Church, the Catholic Church! The Catholic Church under Saint Peter is the only Church that is united as ONE, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic! One Body, One Faith, One Christ! Not many bodies but only many members, of that One Body. If you say that your religion is the church then you are saying that there is more than one body, more than one faith.

There are so many Protestant churches. How do you know that the church you’re in is the right church? Who has the authority to say that you are in the right church? Do you think that the Holy Spirit is confused or something? All those different churches have different interpretations of the bible. How do you know which is the right interpretation? Jesus left us a Shepherd here on earth. Do you think that Jesus would leave us all alone here with just a “book” and no one to tell us what that book means. The book itself says that not everything Jesus did is contained in the book. It says that if everything was written down that the whole world could not contain the books. So we need someone to tell us about that Oral Sacred Tradition.

We are sheep. Do you know anything about how sheep really are? I’m serious here. I know sheep are animals but do you know anything about those animals. Why would God leave such animals to fend for themselves? Sheep need a Shepherd and we Catholics have one. You also have one. You just don’t know that he is right here in this Catholic Church and he is the Bishop of Rome, the Pope!

 

[JesusHasMyHeart]

Eden:

I have not been lied to. You have been lied to. You have left the Church He founded, the one He said the “gates of hell” will not prevail against, the one he called “the pillar and foundation of truth”, the one He promised would be led “into all truth” - to join a church started by some man within the past 4 centuries.

Which denomination did you choose when you left the Church again?

Apparently Eden you don’t know the Roman churches corrupt beginnings, they were the ones would killed millions of Christians in the name of God during the inquisitions, the papal seat could be bought by who ever had the money, not only that they had mistresses and robbed from the poor and demanded money for indulgences and put fear into the peoples hearts that there loved ones are in hell but you can purchase indulgences to get them out. They made them purchase relics and certificates from the poor and peasant only to lavish themselves like royalty with gold and land will the poor and starving were dying of plagues.

Those who sought to bring the word of God to the common man in the language they could understand, were burnt at the stake, by the hands of the HOLY church, Holy? yeh right ! This is what you follow sad to say.

The Church He Founded ??? On Peter ? that is the most derelict display of improper Biblical hermeneutics I have seen and it has led many down the wrong road. Context ypou need context, it was the confession of Peter of Christ the Messiah that is the foundation not Peter. 1Corinthians 3:11 Mark 12:10,
Matthew 21:42-44 1Peter 2:1-8

You better do a little more study of the history of the church you so vehemently defend and claim as descended from Peter.
The church I belong to is the Body of Christ, with Christ as the cheif cornerstone, We don’t follow His followers, but we follow Christ as He commanded, Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men. Take up your cross and follow Me.Jesus said

 

[AlegreFe]

Here are verses from Ephesians chapter 4 that come before the ones I have above so that you can read it in context;
1 I, then, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to live in a
manner worthy of the call you have received,
2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing
with one another through love,
3 striving to preserve the unity of the spirit through the
bond of peace:
4 one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the
one hope of your call;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through
all and in all.
7 But grace was given to each of us according to the
measure of Christ’s gift.

11 And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets,
others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers,
12 to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for
building up the body of Christ,
13 until we all attain to the unity of faith and knowledge
of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the extent of the
full stature of Christ,
14 so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and
swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human
trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful
scheming.
15 Rather, living the truth in love, we should grow in
every way into him who is the head, Christ,
16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by
every supporting ligament, with the proper functioning of each
part, brings about the body’s growth and builds itself up in
love.

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Apparently Eden you don’t know the Roman churches corrupt beginnings

That same “corrupt” Church’s bishops were entrusted with setting the Canon a whole 4 centuries after Christ? Please provide sources for your claims - with links.

they were the ones would killed millions of Christians in the name of God during the inquisitions

Not true. The Catholic Church did not kill during the Inquisitions, the secular authorities did. The “Real Inquisition”:

www.nationalreview.com/comment/madden200406181026.asp

in the name of God during the inquisitions, the papal seat could be bought by who ever had the money, not only that they had mistresses and robbed from the poor and demanded money for indulgences and put fear into the peoples hearts that there loved ones are in hell but you can purchase indulgences to get them out.

There were several corrupt clergy who were misrepresenting the Church teaching on indulgences by leading faithful to believe they could “buy” their way out of purgatory. The Church has never taught that we can “buy” our way out of heaven.

CA library:

catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9411fea1sb2.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9411fea1sb4.asp

catholic.com/library/primer_on_indulgences.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9411fea1.asp

Here is a site about the Indulgences granted during World Youth Day 2005:

World Youth Day will be held in Cologne, Germany from August 16 to 21 and Pope Benedict XVI has granted two special indulgences.

The Apostolic Penitentiary — the Vatican Office responsible for ruling on issues relating to the recognition of forgiveness of sins in the Church — issues a decree August 8 on indulgences available to the faithful who attend World Youth Day.

A plenary indulgence is available to the faithful who attend the sacred functions of World Youth Day and also “attentively and religiously” participate in its solemn conclusion on Sunday, August 21. The decree lists the additional conditions that must be fulfilled in order to gain this or any other plenary indulgence: sacramental Confession, reception of Holy Communion, prayer for the intention of the Holy Father, and freedom from attachment to any sin.

For those that can’t attend World Youth Day, a partial indulgence is available wherever they may be, provided with a contrite heart, they pray fervently that Christian youth be strengthened in the profession of the Faith; be confirmed in love and reverence toward their parents; and form a firm resolution to follow “the holy norms of the Gospel and Mother Church” in living out their present or future family life, or whatever vocation they are called to by God.

The decree was signed by Cardinal James Francis Stafford and Father P.
Gianfranco Girotti, OFM Conv., the major penitentiary and regent of the
tribunal.

www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=3&art_id=29685

(Out of curiosity, are you actually going to respond to anything I have posted or are you just going to continue to throw out random, new accusations as distractions? All of these could be entirely separate threads.)

To be continued in the next post…

 

[JesusHasMyHeart]

AlegreFe:

There is no need to fear for me. Although I am a sinner and my soul needs constant conversion, I am just fine where I am. I have the assurance of God’s promise and all the gifts that He gave us in His Church; the gifts that I accept over and over again because God’s name is mercy and He’s constantly giving them to me, I just have to keep accepting them. Jesus loves me the way that I am. But that doesn’t mean that I can do whatever I want. I don’t want to offend Jesus in any way. So I have to examine my conscience before I receive Jesus in the Eucharist. I thank God for that great gift of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.

God calls us all to different vocations. You must have heard God’s voice in your heart if you wanted to become a nun. Either something happened or someone tried to talk you out of it.

Where did you read in the bible that God doesn’t call people to different vocations? Or that God thinks that we are all equal?

This is a verse that I know from Ephesians chapter 4:
11 And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets,
others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers,
12 to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for
building up the body of Christ,
13 until we all attain to the unity of faith and knowledge
of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the extent of the
full stature of Christ,
14 so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and
swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human
trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful
scheming.
15 Rather, living the truth in love, we should grow in
every way into him who is the head, Christ,
16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by
every supporting ligament, with the proper functioning of each
part, brings about the body’s growth and builds itself up in
love.
Hhhmmm, I wonder what that sounds like? Sounds like the Catholic Church to me. And those infants being tossed around and swept away are all those Protestant denominations and other religions. Jesus is the head and we are His Body which is the Church, the Catholic Church! The Catholic Church under Saint Peter is the only Church that is united as ONE, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic! One Body, One Faith, One Christ! Not many bodies but only many members, of that One Body. If you say that your religion is the church then you are saying that there is more than one body, more than one faith.

There are so many Protestant churches. How do you know that the church you’re in is the right church? Who has the authority to say that you are in the right church? Do you think that the Holy Spirit is confused or something? All those different churches have different interpretations of the bible. How do you know which is the right interpretation? Jesus left us a Shepherd here on earth. Do you think that Jesus would leave us all alone here with just a “book” and no one to tell us what that book means. The book itself says that not everything Jesus did is contained in the book. It says that if everything was written down that the whole world could not contain the books. So we need someone to tell us about that Oral Sacred Tradition.

We are sheep. Do you know anything about how sheep really are? I’m serious here. I know sheep are animals but do you know anything about those animals. Why would God leave such animals to fend for themselves? Sheep need a Shepherd and we Catholics have one. You also have one. You just don’t know that he is right here in this Catholic Church and he is the Bishop of Rome, the Pope!

The thing you are not realizing is that I have many Christian Brothers and sisters and we all think alike but some go to different churches. The body of Christ are those who truly know Christ personally 24/7 and of course their is going to be a few bad apples or unconverted or seekers entering any church door, some immature Christian might look at them and think, is that what a Christian is ?
But even though we go to different parts of the body of Christ, we have sweet fellowship one with another, because we all do need one another. I’m saved according to the word of God and my relationship with Him personally even though I don’t go to the Catholic church, and I don’t follow the teachings and doctrines of man, Just the Word of God.
I’ve been where you are, I know what its all about, and I see through it also, and see the deception of that which you follow.
Its sad that you reduced Jesus to a piece of bread, the eucharist, almost to the point of idolatry, actually… it is idolatry.
Paul said, my children keep yourselves from idols.

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Relics

Did you know relics are in the Bible?

Relics

Matt. 9:21; Mark 5:28 - the woman with the hemorrhage just sought the hem of Christ’s cloak and was cured. This shows that God uses physical things to effect the supernatural.

Acts 19:11-12 - Paul’s handkerchiefs healed the sick and those with unclean spirits. This is another example of physical things effecting physical and spiritual cures.

Acts 5:15 - Peter’s shadow healed the sick. This proves that relics of the saints have supernatural healing power, and this belief has been a part of Catholic tradition for 2,000 years.

Rev. 6:9 - the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world.

2 Kings 13:21 - Elisha’s bones bring a man back to life. The saints’ bones are often kept beneath the altars of Catholic churches and have brought about supernatural cures throughout the Christian age. Rom. 13:7; Phil. 2:25-29; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7 – we are taught to honor the people of God and in 1 Cor. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 11:1-2; Phil. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:6; 2 Thess. 3:7; Heb. 6:12; Heb. 13:7; James 5:10-11 – we are reminded to imitate them. Keeping relics of the saints serves both to honor and imitate their heroic faith in Christ (just as keeping articles of deceased loved ones helps us honor and imitate them).

Protestants miss the meaning of these passages in their Bible studies because they are not familiar with relics.

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

The thing you are not realizing is that I have many Christian Brothers and sisters and we all think alike but some go to different churches.

Why do you go to different churches if you all believe exactly the same things?

What is your church again?

 

[JesusHasMyHeart]

AlegreFe:

Here are verses from Ephesians chapter 4 that come before the ones I have above so that you can read it in context;
1 I, then, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to live in a
manner worthy of the call you have received,
2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing
with one another through love,
3 striving to preserve the unity of the spirit through the
bond of peace:
4 one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the
one hope of your call;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through
all and in all.
7 But grace was given to each of us according to the
measure of Christ’s gift.

11 And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets,
others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers,
12 to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for
building up the body of Christ,
13 until we all attain to the unity of faith and knowledge
of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the extent of the
full stature of Christ,
14 **so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and
swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human
trickery,

By every wind of teaching arising from human trickery.

That sounds familiar. Like doctrines and commandments of man

from their cunning in the interests of deceitful
scheming.**
15 Rather, living the truth in love, we should grow in
every way into him who is the head, Christ,
16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by
every supporting ligament, with the proper functioning of each
part, brings about the body’s growth and builds itself up in
love.

Uhumm, I don’t see any Popes in there, or Apostolic prossession

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Those who sought to bring the word of God to the common man in the language they could understand, were burnt at the stake, by the hands of the HOLY church, Holy? yeh right ! This is what you follow sad to say.

There were Bibles in local languages before Luther! This is a common erroneous assertion Protestants make. How about the books Luther removed from the Word of God?

And Tyndale was not executed for translating the Bible into English and he wasn’t executed by the Church:

catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0212fea3.asp

You accuse me of not appearing to know Christ but look at the sarcasm in your posts. Is that your Christian “witness” to me?

 

[Eden]

JesusHasMyHeart:

Uhumm, I don’t see any Popes in there, or Apostolic** prossession**

I don’t know what apostolic procession would be or why it should be in the Bible. But apostolic succession is in the Bible. See my posts about authority from scripturecatholic.com for reference.