National study: Abortion does not cause depression or low self-esteem in adolescents

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Abortion is his crown jewel, and we’re supposed to be surprised by headlined, reports (fooled) like these?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle
Now lets see what happens if we entertain the thought: “abortion might not cause depression.” That is all that is going on here.
The long short of the matter is. Have you ever met someone who has had an abortion? Actions have consequences, don’t feed us this cp**.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Heh. No it doesn’t. Pro-life cause is on the side of truth. If killing babies, has no effect on the consciences of mothers, that doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion, that those who believe killing babies are wrong, are politically compromised because (purportedly) society states that there are no psychological effects.

Some just don’t get it. There could be a thousand more reports of scientific questionnaires declaring, that all mothers who’ve had an abortion since 2002, felt no psychological effect or had no remorse, or depression or difficulties in living their lives.
The act, of terminating their baby’s life, is no less heinous today, than it was when the reports were saying mothers were effected.
Heh, yes it does. You need to think about this from the perspective of those you are trying to convince, not your own certainty. If there are two guys in the room and one rattles off a list of objections to abortion and the other calmly demonstrates that one or two are false, the credibility of the whole list is damaged. Why would you believe someone who is obviously willing to make untrue claims to push his point on you?
To call the pro-life case , flimsy is to not know the weight of truth, that this is a fundamental issue. To be against abortion, is a testament of having one’s priorities straight.
I didn’t say it was flimsy. I said that claims contradicted by science make it seem flimsy. If the priorities are “oppose abortion at the expense of intellectual integrity” then I think there still might be some ironing to do.
 
But how do you know if they had, for example, put the kids up for adoption they wouldn’t be “extremely lonely and looking to fill up their lives with distractions.” The bottom line, as mentioned in the study, is that having a pregnancy when you are young is a scary and traumatic experience, and very few of the possible outcomes are good. Even if a woman puts a baby up for adoption there can still be lingering doubts: “did I do the right thing?” “Is the baby happy with the new family?” “Could I have managed to take care of him/her?” Merely stating that you know people who have had abortions that are messed up does not mean they are worse off than other young mothers who did not have abortions.
lol.
i mean.
wow.
I guess if a study showed that abortion DID cause depression, you would merely retort that “they aren’t any more depressed than those who didn’t have abortions.”
All the same, you people are. Grasping at anything that barely justifies your claims, biased or not, in the hopes that you will silence the guilt in your own heart.
 
lol.
i mean.
wow.
I guess if a study showed that abortion DID cause depression, you would merely retort that “they aren’t any more depressed than those who didn’t have abortions.”
This study compared adolescents who had abortion to adolescents who carried a pregnancy to term, and concluded there was no difference in their mental health.

“Abortion causes depression” is a scientifically testable claim. Science tested the claim and said that yes, young people who have abortions are more depressed than the general population, but not more so than young women who carry pregnancies to term. Therefore it is teen pregnancy, not abortion, that is the cause of the depression. Unless there is some group of girls I don’t know about who have had abortions without being pregnant I think the results are pretty easy to understand.
All the same, you people are. Grasping at anything that barely justifies your claims, biased or not, in the hopes that you will silence the guilt in your own heart.
All the same, you people are. Repeating yourselves in an attempt to justify your claims regardless of the evidence, hoping that that will silence the guilt in your own intellect.

For the last time, just because you think abortion is the worst thing ever does not mean you can make up your own facts about it. Moreover, just because I am pointing out something you may find inconvenient does not make me pro-death.
 
The study was biased however.
If a study was carried out that tested a significant percentage of the female adolescent population country wide, I would give it credence.

Besides, this study proves nothing. Abortion may or may not cause depression, but that is not the crux of the matter. The main issue is the fact that abortion indeed does kill the child. That is the issue.

And I am sure if you looked deeper into the matter, instead of just focusing on this Planned Parenthood “study”, you would find plenty of evidence that abortion does lead to SUICIDAL depression, especially if done multiple times.
 
Don’t tell people that abortion causes depression because that is wrong. Unless you have better evidence, telling someone that abortion causes depression is a lie. If you do make this claim, and the other person is informed, he/she may be able to point out that you are wrong and you (along with the pro-life position) will look dumb.
I don’t tell people that in the first place. Thanks for wanting to help the pro-life position - what points do you think we should make in favor of the pro-life position? What are the strongest arguments in favor of preserving life?

Ishii
 
The conclusion is supported despite the small sample size, albeit less strongly.
I have not commented on the morality of abortion. I am saying that using flimsy evidence to oppose abortion is counter productive.
My point is you are using flimsy evidence to counter flimsy evidence. Big whoop. 🤷

If you had strong evidence to to counter flimsy evidence, then you might have something.
 
So morality is based solely on how we feel about something we’ve done? If I kill my neighbor is it okay as long as it does not cause depression or low self-esteem?
Exactly!

Come Lord Jesus!
 
I don’t believe this study means anything. How many women that have gone through an abortion would ever talk to people about it? How then would the study even include those that have kept their abortion a secret? I suggest watching Blood Money by Dr. Alveda King. The severe depression that it drives women to can even drive them to suicide.
 
“Abortion causes depression” is a scientifically testable claim. Science tested the claim and said that yes, young people who have abortions are more depressed than the general population, but not more so than young women who carry pregnancies to term. Therefore it is teen pregnancy, not abortion, that is the cause of the depression. Unless there is some group of girls I don’t know about who have had abortions without being pregnant I think the results are pretty easy to understand.
Yes, and more than one study (and I do apologize for not being able to locate them at the moment) has acknowledged the depression caused by teen pregnancy and by teen marriage.

I agree with post 22 and post 30. I know it’s going to “depress” everyone to hear this, but the problem with focusing on the supposed life-long dramatic psychological effects of abortion is that it can be counter-argued based on conflicting data, such as an equal number of anecdotes to anyone who says “everybody I know,” etc. I know several women who have had abortions (who are not practicing Catholics; that perhaps would be an important control element in a more sophisticated study of a wider sample, which may further break down into believers/non-believers; Christians/non-Christians, etc.) None of these acquaintances of mine have had residual guilt, depression, destroyed lives, “going off the deep end,” or anything like that. However, all of them, including the most educated, “liberated,” sophisticated of them had residual regret that they were even in that position to have made that choice. IOW, it was the inappropriate & irresponsible practice of extra-marital sex that even put them in that position. The remorse they had was over bad choices which necessitated a crisis decision.

I.m.o., and I know that most of you will not agree with me, the focus for the general public (not CAF) should be on the bad consequences of bad decisions. These are the kinds of campaigns that have worked in efforts like reducing teen drinking, reducing smoking (all ages, nationwide), avoiding group pressure to engage in illegal activities (street drugs, bullying, but much more), etc. They are all awareness campaigns, relying partly on personal (but believable) testimony, providing facts, and using reason/logic. Hysteria (or an overly emotional approach) generally doesn’t succeed because it is less credible than other approaches.

For example, the sentence “abortion doesn’t cause depression” is just as testable as the reverse, if your sample is broad enough and includes people from diverse backgrounds. However, listening to Cristalina Evert contrast her self-image when she was having teen sex, with her self-image since married, is very powerful. Not just because of the facts she presents, but because of her delivery. She shows very powerfully how much healing she needed, how much pain she put herself through, how deep down even as a teen she subconsciously realized she was making excuses for her live-for-the-moment behavior. She’s extremely convincing. Were I a teen considering being sexually active, she would have me.

Not much good can come from out-of-wedlock consensual sex unless you were engaged in any case, and, well, you’re just starting your family immediately. If you weren’t planning on marrying, you can give the baby up for adoption, but if you think that that decision is always without trauma – and its own guilt and depression – then you are naive. I know enough about adoption to know that it brings its own internal & sometimes external conflict, and is frankly overly romanticized these days.

Teenage pregancy compounds the above problems because of the combination of immaturity and economic challenge, not to mention practically ruining your life for a good 18 years, and whether or not you get married (another layer of problems in itself), because early parenthood can delay or permanently prevent economic solvency on the part of both parents.

How do you spell out-of-wedlock sex? S-T-U-P-I-D, that’s how. Most of the choices that most people end up with are not desirable choices, if that sex results in pregnancy.

I also think that anyone interested in really getting to the heart of the problem should really mine the newer studies that have revealed how more than half of young women (including past the teen years) feel pressured by men & society to be sexually active, routinely, as an aspect of dating. Women feel that the choice is actually not really theirs to make (a silly thought); that it is being made for them, and that that social reality depresses them. It’s as if sex has become a marketing tool (‘you’re of no value unless you have sex with me’), owned by men and the society which supports exploitative male behavior (“ownership” of women’s bodies, by men) – which when you think about it is anything but liberated or liberating: it’s a throw-back to the eras of women as the property or extension of men. Let me tell you that we women do feel that in order to remain in the market for dating, we have to commit to the market for sex.

About 15 years ago there was a segment on some broadcast newsmagazine which discussed the Chastity Movement among American women. Part of it anticipated the very new research which is only a few months old now: that is, single women in the story were feeling that sex was both too high a price they were having to pay for dates, and also that genital intimacy was being substituted for truer, more complete & more respectful intimacy. I haven’t heard much about the movement since then, but the newer study makes this an optimum time to renew it.
 
The title study belongs in the great Book of Wisdom next to:

Drinking Hemlock Makes You Smart and:

Jumping Headfirst Off A Forty Story Building Cures Backaches.
 
The title study belongs in the great Book of Wisdom next to:

Drinking Hemlock Makes You Smart and:

Jumping Headfirst Off A Forty Story Building Cures Backaches.
Haha! Science: only valid when it supports our preconceived notions!
 
Yes, and more than one study (and I do apologize for not being able to locate them at the moment) has acknowledged the depression caused by teen pregnancy and by teen marriage.

I agree with post 22 and post 30. I know it’s going to “depress” everyone to hear this, but the problem with focusing on the supposed life-long dramatic psychological effects of abortion is that it can be counter-argued based on conflicting data, such as an equal number of anecdotes to anyone who says “everybody I know,” etc…
No one is **focusing **on depression-what we do is lis it as one of the many potential negative consequences of killing your unborn child. And most of those people I have counseled know this firsthand having dealt with friends or family members who have done so.

In my years of counseling I only once ran across a woman who said it prior abortion did not haunt her. I don’t need a study to tell me what I can see before my own eyes.
 
You think that this is…unbiased?
Sigh…
Alright.
That proves that this conversation is going to go nowhere.
I will not enter into pointless bickering and will withdraw, merely state that worrying about whether or not abortion causes depression is pointless when the main issue is the life or death of a child.
Yes, it is fairly unbiased. If anything the APA would like abortion to cause mental problems so they could propose those who have an abortion undergo mandatory psychological evaluations.

But besides that, the paper was excruciatingly clear about the strengths and weaknesses of the various studies on the issue, and how the ultimate conclusions were formed. If think the claims made are inaccurate, it should be very easy to point out what specifically you disagree with.
 
Yes, it is fairly unbiased. If anything the APA would like abortion to cause mental problems so they could propose those who have an abortion undergo mandatory psychological evaluations.

But besides that, the paper was excruciatingly clear about the strengths and weaknesses of the various studies on the issue, and how the ultimate conclusions were formed. If think the claims made are inaccurate, it should be very easy to point out what specifically you disagree with.
it is
You have the luxury of living in a theoretical world where one can pick and choose a study to buttress their political opinions. For those of us who deal with us on a day-to-day basis we have to deal with reality. When we are faced with a woman who is haunted by past abortion we dont have the option of telling her to quit her whining because so-and-so study says she’s not depressed about it.
 
it is
You have the luxury of living in a theoretical world where one can pick and choose a study to buttress their political opinions. For those of us who deal with us on a day-to-day basis we have to deal with reality. When we are faced with a woman who is haunted by past abortion we dont have the option of telling her to quit her whining because so-and-so study says she’s not depressed about it.
Sadness/regret are different than the subject of the studies; the studies examined clinical depression. I certainly hope you were not purposefully conflating the two. **edit, I guess self esteem might be mutually exclusive with sadness/regret, but we don’t know this a-priori.

The APA paper was a literature review of dozens of studies on the issue, it did not “cherry pick.”
 
Sadness/regret are different than the subject of the studies; the studies examined clinical depression. I certainly hope you were not purposefully conflating the two. **edit, I guess self esteem might be mutually exclusive with sadness/regret, but we don’t know this a-priori.

The APA paper was a literature review of dozens of studies on the issue, it did not “cherry pick.”
I deal with people. You deal with studies. I think you will find that working with people would give you a far different view of the damage abortion does been dealing with
studies. I can point you the many studies that show you the psychological damage that abortion causes. The You would dismiss them because you have a study that says it doesn’t. Again when dealing with post-abortive women one can’t tell them their feelings aren’t valid because the study says so.
 
I deal with people. You deal with studies. I think you will find that working with people would give you a far different view of the damage abortion does been dealing with
studies. I can point you the many studies that show you the psychological damage that abortion causes. The You would dismiss them because you have a study that says it doesn’t. Again when dealing with post-abortive women one can’t tell them their feelings aren’t valid because the study says so.
Point me to them then. I feel that I must remind you that the plural of anecdote is not data.
 
I would say that maybe it is true that adolescent girls who have just had abortions may not be more depressed than pregnant adolescent girls. However:
(1) Pregnant adolescent girls are already very depressed, due to having to deal with a child so early in life. Abortion is seen as an escape route, which some opt to take.
(2) Later in life, the abortions WILL come back to haunt them as they lie in their beds crying, wondering how they could have murdered their babies.

This study proves absolutely nothing for or against abortion.
 
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