National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

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goitalone said:
Sadly, That is just your own insightful/uninsightful (take yer pick 😉 ) opinion.
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Hmm… that may be… how so? Where does the Bible make an exception for working on the Sabbath for certain jobs? It doesnt, that is a man made law that contradicts the very OT scripture that you use to justify our belief.

Scripture says that we may help one another on the Sabbath, and uses an emergency situation as the example (ox falls into a ditch if I remember right). This does not justify working 8-12 hour shifts regularly and receiving pay for it, or requiring others to do the same. Nor does it justify SDA hospitals charging their patients on the Sabbath for their care.

I find it funny, because when I was SDA my family, especially my dad, was faced with the Sabbath work issue. He had to leave a job that he loved, the railroad, when I was very small. Yet all the while, the SDA Hosptial Administrators and Conference and Union officials did not have enough “faith” that God would see them through to quit charging people for their care, and truly just help them, not work for them, on the Sabbath.
 
Mommyof02green said:
Where are you going when you die?
Where is the theif that was on the cross next to Jesus?
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The theif is also dead…

For the living know that they will die;
But the dead know nothing,
And they have no more reward,
For the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecclesiastes 9:5

Did Jesus acend to Heavem that same day?

No he did not…that whole argument is due to the misuse of the comma in translation as it should have most certainly read verily I say unto you today, (this day COMMA) you will be with me in paradise.

It changes the meaning tremendously moving that little translated comma to it’s proper position.

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”

Oh, he will be in Heaven, just not til the first resurrection 😉

There are some who God chose to take with Him, like the elders, but the thief couldn’t have gone to Heaven to be with Jesus that day as Jesus Himself did not ascend until after He rose from the dead…

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”
John 20:17
 
Mommyof02green said:
Again if I want to learn what Catholicism teaches then I go to THEIR web-pages. example: usccb.org/catechism/text/

Just like if I want to learn what Adventist teaches I go to THEIR web-pages. example: adventist.org/

Would you listen or take to heart the things that ex-adventist have to say about your religion? Would you say the ex-adventist paint a TRUE picture of your religion?

If you answer NO then why should understand why I do NOT take the time to listen to what ex-catholics have to say about Catholicism I, personally believe that ex-catholics paint a FALSE picture of Catholicism.

Thanks and God Bless
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goitalone said:
You pray to her do you not?
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Sure… but does asking someone something (i.e. praying) mean that your worshipping them. In the legal system it is normal to use the phrase “we pray for relief to the court” or something to that matter. You would find it on legal documents everywhere… they are not worshipping the court, they are petitioning the court. There is a big difference.

The first and primary definition of the word Pray is petition or ask. That is why I asked last night if you knew what it was.
 
goitalone said:
The theif is also dead…
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You say that the theif is dead, but to do so, your belief requires you to deny Christ’s plain words that if one believes in him, they will never die?

“(John 11:26 NASB) and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Like Jesus, I ask, do you believe that those who believe in Christ will never die?

If so… how can the theif be dead?

Brandon
 
Mommyof02green said:
Again if I want to learn what Catholicism teaches then I go to THEIR web-pages. example: usccb.org/catechism/text/

Just like if I want to learn what Adventist teaches I go to THEIR web-pages. example: adventist.org/

Would you listen or take to heart the things that ex-adventist have to say about your religion? Would you say the ex-adventist paint a TRUE picture of your religion?

If you answer NO then why should understand why I do NOT take the time to listen to what ex-catholics have to say about Catholicism I, personally believe that ex-catholics paint a FALSE picture of Catholicism.

Because the SDA teachings way is a much clearer path to me personally and makes more sense than any other teaching and for me it’s easy to see the twisted lies of Satan trying his best to destroy God’s Word

Thanks and God Bless
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SDA2RC said:
Hmm… that may be… how so? Where does the Bible make an exception for working on the Sabbath for certain jobs? It doesnt, that is a man made law that contradicts the very OT scripture that you use to justify our belief.

Scripture says that we may help one another on the Sabbath, and uses an emergency situation as the example (ox falls into a ditch if I remember right). This does not justify working 8-12 hour shifts regularly and receiving pay for it, or requiring others to do the same. Nor does it justify SDA hospitals charging their patients on the Sabbath for their care.

I find it funny, because when I was SDA my family, especially my dad, was faced with the Sabbath work issue. He had to leave a job that he loved, the railroad, when I was very small. Yet all the while, the SDA Hosptial Administrators and Conference and Union officials did not have enough “faith” that God would see them through to quit charging people for their care, and truly just help them, not work for them, on the Sabbath.
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From the example of Jesus healing on the Sabbath.
 
SDA2RC said:
Sure… but does asking someone something (i.e. praying) mean that your worshipping them. In the legal system it is normal to use the phrase “we pray for relief to the court” or something to that matter. You would find it on legal documents everywhere… they are not worshipping the court, they are petitioning the court. There is a big difference.

The first and primary definition of the word Pray is petition or ask. That is why I asked last night if you knew what it was.
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As I said, I would never pray to who I believe to be dead and gone and more importantly, someone who is not God.

But if you feel comfortable with it then that’s great I guess.
 
goitalone said:
Where does it say she didn’t?
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Answering a question with a question? Your not a parent are you? LOL But that is my point, it doesnt say. So how can you determine it is a fact, early Christian writings say that Mary was assumed into heaven body and soul. This has always been the Church’s teaching, based on the knowledge of the first members of the Church, namely, the apostles and those they ordained to continue their ministry, on down through the ages.
 
goitalone said:
The theif is also dead…

For the living know that they will die;
But the dead know nothing,
And they have no more reward,
For the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecclesiastes 9:5
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But, Doesn’t Scripture also say, “For man goes to his eternal home while mourners go about in the street.” Ecclesiastes. The Spirit of a person is outside the body where it “will return to God who gave it.”(Ecclesiates 12:7) not asleep.

Geneses 35:18 also spoke of Rachel as such when se died “And it came about as her soul was departing (for she died)”

Matthew 22:32 tells us “‘Iam the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of teh dead but of the living.” Even though the bodies of the three patirarchs are dead, the three men are still alive
 
SDA2RC said:
You say that the theif is dead, but to do so, your belief requires you to deny Christ’s plain words that if one believes in him, they will never die?

“(John 11:26 NASB) and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Like Jesus, I ask, do you believe that those who believe in Christ will never die?

If so… how can the theif be dead?

Brandon
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Come on now, we all know we die.

But the dead in Christ will rise first in the second coming…it that not at all clear to you?

They are dead or resting as Jesus said, and they will rise to live forever.

But still dead as they know nothing as Jesus also said.
 
goitalone said:
From the example of Jesus healing on the Sabbath.
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Jesus didnt work a 8-12 hour shift at a hospital and get paid for it. Hardly the same. Nor did he ever state that there were “exceptions” to the rule now did he? Therefore, if your church can make up exceptions, why then does it matter?
 
goitalone said:
As I said, I would never pray to who I believe to be dead and gone and more importantly, someone who is not God.

But if you feel comfortable with it then that’s great I guess.
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Your right… it is great to be in union with all of Gods believers, both on earth and in heaven!
 
amills said:
I have a legal document in which the terminology to the judge is “We pray to the judge for…” This is just another example of another definition of the word pray.
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I feel I have made my points clear enough…I really do have to get back to work on my forum so I better get going.

Blessings to all of you.

TTYL
 
goitalone said:
Come on now, we all know we die.

But the dead in Christ will rise first in the second coming…it that not at all clear to you?

They are dead or resting as Jesus said, and they will rise to live forever.

But still dead as they know nothing as Jesus also said.
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No we dont! Christ specifically says that we do not die. Do you not believe the very words of Christ? He asked his believers then, and he is asking each of us today… Do you believe this?

I chose to believe Christ over the SDA interpretation of a few verses. Moses was on the Mount of Transfiguration with Jesus, how is that possible? Since you believe that he was dead?
 
Montie_Claunch said:
But, Doesn’t Scripture also say, “For man goes to his eternal home while mourners go about in the street.” Ecclesiastes. The Spirit of a person is outside the body where it “will return to God who gave it.”(Ecclesiates 12:7) not asleep.

Geneses 35:18 also spoke of Rachel as such when se died “And it came about as her soul was departing (for she died)”

Matthew 22:32 tells us “‘Iam the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of teh dead but of the living.” Even though the bodies of the three patirarchs are dead, the three men are still alive
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Precisely!! There is much evidence against Soul “Sleep”. One of the strongest to me, is the verse that states that there are those who can kill the BODY, but fear He who can kill the soul. Very obviously teaching that the body and soul are independent when the body dies.

But also, if one takes Eccl. 9:5 literally, then one must also take Eccl 9:8 literally… yet I have never seen a SDA do it yet. “(Eccl 9:8 NASB) Let your clothes be white all the time, and let not oil be lacking on your head.”

It seems that again, its all about context, and they are ready to pull Eccl 9:5 and claim to believe it strictly, but then they ignore the instructions three verses later. Proof Texting or picking and choosing. Again, using verses that are convienient to support their belief, but ignoring those in the same context which don’t suit their purposes.
 
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