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What would this even accomplish?

Anything told to the priest in the confessional would be hearsay. Inadmissible in U.S. courts, and likely Irish ones as well. Also, the priest could easily say that such information was never admitted to them in the confessional. The courts would have nothing to go on but their word.
 
We should definitely be praying ernestly :gopray2:for those priests who will certainly come under serious fire if this law is ever passed. If it does pass, I fear it will be the first step of many in a lot of different countries.

However, I’m curious what the millions of debout catholics in Ireland feel about this. ? :confused:
As an Irish devout Catholic I’m saddened but not that surprised. There aren’t millions of devout Catholics here, most don’t know their faith any-more. This episode of The Vortex should be enlightening. The Shepherds abandoned their flocks and are down a cave afrsid of the wolves of secularism.
 
The law could find out if the child abuser was caught and admitted that he told it to a priest in confession.
What would this even accomplish?

Anything told to the priest in the confessional would be hearsay. Inadmissible in U.S. courts, and likely Irish ones as well. Also, the priest could easily say that such information was never admitted to them in the confessional. The courts would have nothing to go on but their word.
 
The article says they are aiming for it to pass this Christmas…
Pi, you are closer to the story than I and I have no reason to doubt that you are correct here.

I just can’t imagine that (1) any priest would comply and (2) that he would be imprisoned when he did not.

I understand the outrage of the Irish people, though. Ireland was, until recently, about as close to a Catholic theocracy as could be found. The recent revelations have been devastating.
 
****The article i cited was in THURSDAY’S 14 July New York Times.
No one wants to see any person child or adult at risk for any one in the Church[/SIZEso that is not an issue] To give examples from this dominantly Catholic country the Taoiseach (PM) said on the evening news they want to change the law that forces priests to reveal confesions of sex abuse. Another government minister wants the Pope’s Nuncio here to be kicked out and the Nuncio was called in by another Govt Minister. This latest report by the Govt is about a diocese that ignored the bishops own guidelines for reporting bit the criticism is presuming that the whole hierarchy is covering up as was done in earlier decades.
JESUS is LORD and purifies His Church but as the post below says, the Enemy has a field day with hatred and lies and distortion
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I wonder if the police will have to be present during an Exorcism?. Will they try to arrest the Devil!. Or will they help him throw the priest out the window.
 
Pax et Bonum. I am a Priest in Ireland.

“For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God,* who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification* comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing”. (Ga. 2:19-21)

I would joyfully suffer the cross for never ever breaking the seal of Confession.

God bless you all.
 
Pax et Bonum. I am a Priest in Ireland.

“For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God,* who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification* comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing”. (Ga. 2:19-21)

I would joyfully suffer the cross for never ever breaking the seal of Confession.

God bless you all.
Thank you, Father. Know that you are in our prayers.
 
how is anyone going to know what someone told a priest in confession? Even if a molester says he told a priest he was abusing kids he can’t ‘prove’ he told the priest. If the priest remains silent there is no way to verify the content of the confession.
 
Pax et Bonum. I am a Priest in Ireland.

I would joyfully suffer the cross for never ever breaking the seal of Confession.

God bless you all.
God bless you Father. It is because of priests like you that we can receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation and all the Graces that come with it without any fear.
 
I think that the responses that amount to the priests could/should just lie about what confessions they heard are misguided.
 
Pax et Bonum. I am a Priest in Ireland.

“For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God,* who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification* comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing”. (Ga. 2:19-21)

I would joyfully suffer the cross for never ever breaking the seal of Confession.

God bless you all.
Bless you, Father and welcome to the forums. Any chance this Act is just political posturing by the Taoiseach and it will be amended when it gets to Parliament?

Prayers for you and the Church in Ireland.

PS - are you a Franciscan?
 
Here’s an editorial from the New York times on the Coyne abuse cases and the archbishop, quoted verbatim: (emphasis mine)

Ireland Confronts the Vatican

nytimes.com/2011/07/15/opinion/15fri3.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211

Published: July 14, 2011

"Throughout the long scandal of sexual abuse by rogue priests, the Vatican has blatantly resisted the idea that civil law must trump church rules in confronting criminal acts. This was evident again in the revelation that the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland continued to cover up abuse cases long after it had issued rules to protect children in 1996.

** “The law of the land should not be stopped by crosier or by collar,” Prime Minister Enda Kenny declared after receiving a detailed report on Wednesday showing that abuses were occurring as recently as 2009.**

A principal factor in the cover-up, the government study found, was a Vatican letter in 1997 warning Irish church leaders against full cooperation with law enforcement authorities. The papal representative wrote that the anti-abuse policies conflicted with church law and should be considered “merely a study document.”

This turned criminal law on its head and, as the study noted, gave bishops “freedom to ignore” the tougher rules and protect abusers in the church. In the diocese of Cloyne, investigated in detail by the Dublin government, church officials did not act on complaints against 19 priests in the 13 years after the rules were put in place.

The new findings showed that the abuse was not confined to previous generations. “This is about Ireland now,” said Frances Fitzgerald, Ireland’s minister for children. As usual, apologies were offered, this time by John Magee, the longtime bishop of Cloyne, who resigned last year. Bishop Magee had been accused of improperly embracing a seminarian, but that allegation was dismissed.

With the pedophilia scandal under investigation worldwide, Vatican officials point to new, tougher rules. But the rules, which do not require dioceses to report allegations of crimes to the police, are considered** only advisory guidelines to bishops.** The Dublin government **has enacted a new law making it a crime for anyone, church officials included, to fail to report child abuse to civil authorities. **The Vatican has a valuable lesson to learn in Ireland." (end of editorial)

The point is, the Vatican’s advisory guidelines for bishops are in direct contradiction to Irish law. This is in a state that has been deeply wounded by church-related sexual and physical abuse involving many perpetrators and many children over many years.

Ireland used to be the bastion of the church. It exported a lot of priests. A lot of men and women became vowed religious. Attendance and observance were high. All of this is gone. The church is in the process of losing Ireland, if it hasn’t already.
 
Pax et Bonum. I am a Priest in Ireland.

“For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God,* who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification* comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing”. (Ga. 2:19-21)

I would joyfully suffer the cross for never ever breaking the seal of Confession.

God bless you all.
God Bless you Father 🙂
 
The seal of confession is inviolable.

In my opinion, priests ought to insist upon anonymous confession only.
Face to face confession is trouble waiting to happen.
I agree with this.

This is basically nothing more than political opportunism mixed with hysteria masquerading as “public interest” and “doing the right thing.”😦
 
I have the most beautiful and amazing response from my fellow diocesan priests on this issue. ALL (10) have unanimously stated: “I would joyfully give my life as a sacrifice to defend the seal of Confession”. Alleluia. Deo Gratias. Oremus pro Invicem. “This is My Body, given up for you.” God bless you all.
 
“ALL”, may I add, refers to those that I have spoken with this day thus far.
 
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