Nike takes sides, tapping Colin Kaepernick for new 'Just Do It' ad

[Inisfallen]

He could say that without insulting the flag and anthem the way he does.

You know, you’ll notice I haven’t had much to say about the rightness or wrongness of Kaepernick’s protest, or his position on certain issues, but I will say this:

He is not insulting the flag or the anthem. He’s using a moment to draw attention to something he believes is very important. He’s using the moment he has, the platform he has.

One can’t “insult” the anthem. It’s a song, for Pete’s sake. The flag is a piece of cloth. They aren’t owed reverence or anything like that. And he isn’t even doing anything insulting. He’s not giving the flag the finger, or making up insulting lyrics to the national anthem. He’s kneeling. That’s it. That’s all he’s doing.

And, as I’ve said a couple of times above, standing during the national anthem means nothing if one isn’t free not to stand.

 

[Ridgerunner]

That’s it. That’s all he’s doing.

By not standing, he’s insulting the flag and the anthem. But yes, they’re symbols representing the millions of people who do reverence them. By insulting those symbols, he’s insulting those millions. he know it and intends it. 72% of respondents in a Reuters poll agree with me.

POLL: Majority of Americans disagree with Colin Kaepernick's protest

Most Americans don't see eye-to-eye with Kaepernick on his stance to kneel during the anthem

www.cbssports.com

I agree he has a right to do it, just as everyone has a right to be a jerk.

 

[exnihilo]

You are right, to some extent. It wouldn’t be disrespectful to the flag or anthem. It could be disrespectful to the government or nation which those icons represent.

Whether the act is disrespectful depends on what is expected and considered duty in regards to the event. The custom is to stand for the anthem, therefore his choice to kneel almost certainly is disrespecting the nation and government.

 

[Inisfallen]

By not standing, he’s insulting the flag and the anthem.

I think you’re wrong about this.

But yes, they’re symbols representing the millions of people who do reverence them.

Nobody, nobody, should be “doing reverence” to a flag, any flag. That’s idolatry. And it sets up a situation where dissent is forbidden. That’s what I mean when I say that not standing, or singing, is devoid of meaning if one isn’t free not to stand, or sing.

By insulting those symbols, he’s insulting those millions. he know it and intends it.

You know his intent? How, pray tell? How do you know that he intends to insult those millions (who “do reverence” to the flag)?

72% of respondents in a Reuters poll agree with me.

Who cares? Polls don’t determine truth, or right and wrong.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

Polls do give you an indication that his means of protest is not a good choice, message aside.

 

[Jeanne_S]

How do you explain those who win large sums of money via the lottery are within a few years right back where they started?

 

[Inisfallen]

Polls do give you an indication that his means of protest is not a good choice, message aside.

That’s an entirely separate question. Was his protest effective? I don’t know, but it’s true that polls could possibly tell us something about that.

 

[Inisfallen]

How do you explain those who win large sums of money via the lottery are within a few years right back where they started?

Poor people have no experience managing large amounts of money? What a surprise.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Exactly.Which proves the point that poor decisions are a large component to one’s financial health

 

[Kmcicco2000]

Not sure what your point is. Yes we were both working. Today couples cannot make it even if both are working. I never said we could make it on 1 income.

 

[Inisfallen]

Exactly.Which proves the point that poor decisions are a large component to one’s financial health

Right. 'Cause everyone is born with all the knowledge necessary to manage money.

No. That’s learned. Financial acumen isn’t innate. One learns it from parents. If you’ve got parents who have good jobs, who save, who have retirement plans and investments, who can help with advice and guidance, you’ll learn that stuff. It will be all around you.

If not, and all of a sudden you’ve got a million bucks, you’ll be overwhelmed.

 

[Theo520]

That’s an entirely separate question. Was his protest effective? I don’t know, but it’s true that polls could possibly tell us something about that.

No, it’s not a separate question, it’s integral to to the protest.

Is flipping the bird at your parents an effective way to draw attention to your disagreement with them on homework time?

HOW YOU PROTEST IS INTEGRAL TO STARTING A DIALOGUE.

 

[Inisfallen]

Is flipping the bird at your parents an effective way to draw attention to your disagreement with them on curfew time?

Yes, it would probably be pretty effective, actually. It would certainly get their attention.

That said, the analogy doesn’t hold water. All Kaepernick was doing is kneeling. He didn’t make any obscene gestures. He didn’t disrupt the performance of the national anthem (which is, after all, just a song, and far more attention is paid to the entertainers at halftime).

 

[Theo520]

That said, the analogy doesn’t hold water. All Kaepernick was doing is kneeling. He didn’t make any obscene gestures. He didn’t disrupt the performance of the national anthem (which is, after all, just a song, and far more attention is paid to the entertainers at halftime).

The analogy works fine, his act was definitely seen as a defiant ‘bird’ by many. He’s pissed people off instead of starting a dialogue on the issues he claimed were important.

BLM protests and marches/speakers were far better at drawing attention AND starting a dialogue.

 

[dvdjs]

By not standing, he’s insulting the flag and the anthem. But yes, they’re symbols representing the millions of people who do reverence them. By insulting those symbols, he’s insulting those millions.

From many posts here, I think it is fair to suggest that your insult-meter is overcharged.

he know it and intends it.

Stunning mind reading. Is there a factual basis for this assertion?

72% of respondents in a Reuters poll agree with me.

Thanks for the link. 72% thought the gesture unpatriotic, but only 61% said that they do not “support the stance Colin Kaepernick is taking and his decision not to stand during the national anthem.” In another poll referred to on the link, 44 percent of people said they are “not supportive at all of Kaepernick’s protest.” Another 29 percent said they did support it and the rest were unsure".

 

[Ridgerunner]

Poor people have no experience managing large amounts of money? What a surprise.

Some are able even so. Not long ago I met a woman from Eastern Europe. She and her family had been slave laborers under the Nazis. At the end of WWII they couldn’t go back to their own country, which was occupied by the Soviets. So they came here. This lady would have been about 9 or 10 then and could not speak a word of English. No one in her family could.

She learned English over the next few years, graduated from high school and married an ordinary laborer. She was a clerical worker all her working life. They’re retired now, and their net worth is over a million dollars. They inherited nothing. They didn’t win a lottery. They just saved their money and invested.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Inisfallen:

Poor people have no experience managing large amounts of money? What a surprise.

Some are able even so. Not long ago I met a woman from Eastern Europe. She and her family had been slave laborers under the Nazis. At the end of WWII they couldn’t go back to their own country, which was occupied by the Soviets. So they came here. This lady would have been about 9 or 10 then and could not speak a word of English. No one in her family could.

She learned English over the next few years, graduated from high school and married an ordinary laborer. She was a clerical worker all her working life. They’re retired now, and their net worth is over a million dollars. They inherited nothing. They didn’t win a lottery. They just saved their money and invested.

My nail shop people are from Viet Nam. They speak very poor English, some just a few words. They had nothing in Viet Nam. No higher education, knowledge of capitalism, running a business, etc. Today they own a Lexus and a Mercedes. Cars I couldn’t afford, even with my advanced degree.

I will admit that I’m at a job I love and am earning less than I could if I worked in the corporate world.

ETA, their grandson got a full scholarship at the local Jesuit high school.

Asians are so highly motivated that Harvard just lost a lawsuit for discriminating against them.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Around here there a number of Hmong. They really come from a primitive world. Right now, they seem to be occupied mainly in market gardening and operating poultry houses. The latter are very big money deals. We close a lot of those deals, and they’re all for a million or more. Eventually the Hmong will own them outright and make a great deal of money.

Of further interest, we’re now starting to get some Burmese. Not long ago I closed a deal where a Hmong couple sold a multi-million poultry complex to a Burmese couple. The Hmong couple just got tired of the work, which is really demanding, but they walked away with just under a million dollars. Did a 1031 tax free exchange for a cattle ranch.

And most of them can’t even speak English.

 

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