No girls as altar servers in Extraordinary Mass: Vatican

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I prefer male altar servers because that is how it has always been. It is tradition, and as Catholics we must try to keep to our traditions. Also, male altar servers will lead to more vocations to the priesthood.
 
The male altar servers Ive known either became cops or criminals…some BOTH 😃
 
The male altar servers Ive known either became cops or criminals…some BOTH 😃
The female altar servers I know grew up to be struggling young ladies (I could use other less charitable words to describe them but I won’t).
 
Guys, please don’t turn this into an anecdotal pissing contest.
Actually, my point was that the reverse is true also. 🙂 Basically, altar serving does not mean one will be religious when they get older whether male or female. Guess I should have specificed but I was feeling short. 🤷
 
So then what is used to help girls grow up to be nuns?
How about forming a girls and ladies choir?

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The radical feminists regard altar girls as a step towards “priestesses”: the “thin edge of the wedge”.
In some parishes, the boys disappeared when the girls arrived.
Plus: weve had more than enough trouble with boy-molesting. Why inflict a new potential danger on priests? Please note that i know a lot of priests have altar girls only because its politically correct; and so, theres less moral danger. Its just trendy!
 
So then what is used to help girls grow up to be nuns?
I think you miss the point. Altar serving isn’t “used” to help boys grow up to be priests. Altar service is a closer encounter with the priestly life which has historically been known to spark interest in a priestly vocation.

When girls serve at the altar, they don’t have that same experience. The types of activities that are likely to spark an interest in religious life for girls tend to be family faith activiities, service projects and other opportunities to act out their faith with a group. Religious life is about living in community.
 
…why? There’s altar servants that are girls already. When I was an altar servant over a decade ago, we had girls take part
 
End of discussion. If you don’t like it, you always have the ordinary form which is getting more like the extraordinary form as time goes on.
 
…why? There’s altar servants that are girls already. When I was an altar servant over a decade ago, we had girls take part
Not in the EF Mass. Girl altar servers are common at the OF Mass in some countries.

When what we know as the EF was the normative Mass, only males served. When what we know as the EF was the Indult TLM, only males served.

The questions only arose when the EF was recognized as an equal form side-by-side with the OF Mass. The Vatican has simply said that the EF Mass is to retain the tradition of male altar servers** in the same way **it retains the traditions of Latin, chant, communion at the altar rail and traditional vestments (among other things).
 
So then what is used to help girls grow up to be nuns?
That depends on the charism of the order.

To assist girls with developing a vocation towards the completive life, Eucharistic Adoration and recitation of the rosary.

To assist girls with developing a vocation towards a teaching order, acting as a teacher’s aid during Cathecism class.

To assist girls with a vocation towards a mendicant order, collecting and bringing food for the poor.

Those are the chief categories of the women religious, so vocational development for girls should be focused around those activities.
 
…why? There’s altar servants that are girls already. When I was an altar servant over a decade ago, we had girls take part
When the Pope issued the Motu Proprio expanding the use of the Extraordinary Form, he specified that the rubrics of each Form be respected and followed.

In the rubrics of the Extraordinary Form, the altar server is addressed in the Masculine.

So to include girls in altar service during the Extraordinary Form would have been a violation of the Papal Instructions on the matter.
 
I am glad that the Vatican has said this. I personally don’t think girls should be allowed to be altar servers at all. I mean, to me, altar serving is meant for boys because it is supposed to help encourage boys to grow up to be priests.
Well, it helped a young woman (who served as an altar girl) to discern her vocation to an order of nuns who wear a very distinctive habit, live in community, pray in community, and seem to have a clue as to what their charism is and are willing to live it out. She is now doing missionary work.
 
How about forming a girls and ladies choir?

Redratfish:
The radical feminists regard altar girls as a step towards “priestesses”: the “thin edge of the wedge”.
In some parishes, the boys disappeared when the girls arrived.
Plus: weve had more than enough trouble with boy-molesting. Why inflict a new potential danger on priests? Please note that i know a lot of priests have altar girls only because its politically correct; and so, theres less moral danger. Its just trendy!
Radical feminists are generally 50 years old or older, and they are not recruiting new women to their ranks. Younger women have other issues to deal with, banners to carry and demons to exorcise. So the radical feminists, few of whom remain active in the Church, are gathering periodically (where is the most recent - Boston?) to continue their rants, finding at their yearly meetings that their ranks are thinning due to drop outs, deaths, and the failure to be able to recruit younger people to their cause. Once in a while we get to observe the irrelevancies of the radical feminists when they gather to have a psuedo quasi religious farce in which one or more are “ordained”. It should be noted that this occurrance is once every few years within the entire United States, something that given the millions of Catholics - practicing, occasionally practicing, and not practicing, should indicate tht they are not much more than a flyspeck on the wall - that is, essentially not visible, were it not the fact that they become the darlings of the secular press. Keep in mind that is a press that rarely ever gets any story completely straight, and often so crooked as to not be recognizable.

In short, so what and who cares?
 
End of discussion. If you don’t like it, you always have the ordinary form which is getting more like the extraordinary form as time goes on.
It would seem then that you know little about one form or the other. Precious little has changed in the OF to make it look like the EF, and nothing has changed in the EF to make ti look like the OF.

The pending changes to the OF are to make the translation from the Latin form of the OF (the official prayers) more accurate as to what the Latin actually says; that is not making the OF more like the EF. but rather is making the OF in the vernacular of English actually translate accurately what is written in Latin. It has nothing to do with the EF.
 
…It should be noted that this occurrance is once every few years within the entire United States, something that given the millions of Catholics - practicing, occasionally practicing, and not practicing, should indicate tht they are not much more than a flyspeck on the wall…

In short, so what and who cares?
Thats all true; but their influence remains, just like Morgoths influence remained (The Silmarillion).

In this “neck of the woods”, i wouldnt mind betting that the majority of MASS-GOING Catholics support womens “ordination”. That statement is a result of observation…and arguments!

To say nothing of the permanent ruining of language (“foreperson”, “humankind” etc). A while back, a CAF poster referred to “clergypersons”!
How much clumsier will the language become?

A lot of people are no better than sheep!
 
Thats all true; but their influence remains, just like Morgoths influence remained (The Silmarillion).

In this “neck of the woods”, i wouldnt mind betting that the majority of MASS-GOING Catholics support womens “ordination”. That statement is a result of observation…and arguments!

To say nothing of the permanent ruining of language (“foreperson”, “humankind” etc). A while back, a CAF poster referred to “clergypersons”!
How much clumsier will the language become?

A lot of people are no better than sheep!
The issue of women’s ordination has been going on for a long, long time; so has the lack of catechesis; dis were not taught about doctrine, about doctrinal development, and so we have a massive number of Catholics who get “sown the rabbit hole” not because so much of ill will or intentional disagreement but rather because no one who was responsible exercized that responsibility decades ago.

And yes, there are those who are obstinate; but they are usually adults who were either not taught, or mis-taught years ago and have, as people usually do, the attitude of “Please don’t confuse me with the facts; I already have my mind made up!”.
There is no point in arguing with them; it is helpful to kindly and accurately explain what is behind the issue; if they don’t want to listen, find something else to talk about.

Most people lack any training at all in critical thinking. And the great majority of those likely could not do it successfully if taught. So: either they are taught the truth at an early age and it is drilled into them, or after Alice they go, down the rabbit hole.
 
…why? There’s altar servants that are girls already. When I was an altar servant over a decade ago, we had girls take part End QUOTE]

I am not suprised at this, you are only nineteen and therefore the Feminists had already influenced what was happening. I stated this once already and i will state it again, Canon law states that the female gender is not to set foot in the sanctuary (thats the part that the altar is on with the steps leading up to it) unless it is unavoidable, meaning that girls are only supposed to serve in the event that there are 2 or less altar Boys, and that is the proper term Altar Boy get it straight and yes i am yelling at you with capital letters.👍
 
When the Pope issued the Motu Proprio expanding the use of the Extraordinary Form, he specified that the rubrics of each Form be respected and followed.

In the rubrics of the Extraordinary Form, the altar server is addressed in the Masculine.

So to include girls in altar service during the Extraordinary Form would have been a violation of the Papal Instructions on the matter. End QUOTE]

I did’nt know about that, but it is an interesting way to knock down the arguments for girls to serve
 
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