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MarysLurker
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Actually I did. Ezekiel 44 says so.
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You are really confusing me. I don’t see scripture attributing offspring to Eve and not Adam.
The man called his wife Eve, because she became the mother of all the living.
The man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and bore Cain,
Adam again had relations with his wife, and she gave birth to a son whom she called Seth.
This is the record of the descendants of Adam.
Adam was one hundred and thirty years old when he begot a son in his likeness, after his image; and he named him Seth.
Adam lived eight hundred years after the birth of Seth, and he had other sons and daughters.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Seed is what a man has not a woman. Only Mary can claim it because she conceived virginally and for a spiritual being like the Holy Spirit to have what belongs to physical body doesn’t make much sense.
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Until means until or it doesn’t. Since you use other verses to prove that Christ reign continues than Mary’s virginity can continue too and the verse you used to prove it doesn’t carry weight in showing that Mary had intercourse afterwards.till he hath put all enemies under his feet
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This argument is at best just ignorant. You have your own definition of the word until which is not the definition of the word. You seem to think that until means a change afterwards. It does not. If you have that definition you come up with some really weird ideas like:Matthew 1:25 abolishes the idea that Mary didn’t have sex and stayed a virgin. “And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.”
2 Samuel 6:23 2 Samuel
As to Michal daughter of Saul, she had no child till the day of her death.
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The definition does not say that it changes after. So all that Matthew is saying is that up to the time that Jesus was born. In other words, what he was saying is that when Jesus was born Mary was a virgin but says nothing about after He was born. Luke records that she asked the Angelup to the time that up to such time as
At this point,she was a married woman waiting to be taken into the home of Joseph. It is obvious from this question that she did not intend to have a normal married life. The problem with your reading the bible is you read it with the society that exist today not how the society existed then. So you walk away with a misunderstanding of what Scripture is saying. You take the word betrothed and you don’t understand it does not mean engaged. You take the word until and you use your understanding of the word without finding out what the word really means. I am glad you didn’t use first born that one really shows me the lack of understanding of Scripture."How can this be, since I have no relations with a man
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Yet you’ll find a lot of Protestants who say the Holy Spirit is feminine, based on the Hebrew term Shekinah (the cloud of the Glory) and their own personal experience. Actually the Holy Spirit isn’t feminine but His Spouse is. One of the great things about being a convert is finding out that Mary was there all along in that way.Seed is what a man has not a woman. Only Mary can claim it because she conceived virginally and for a spiritual being like the Holy Spirit to have what belongs to physical body doesn’t make much sense.
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Well I think you mean some have interpreted as saying so but it mostly certainly does not explicitly say so. In fact no scripture does, is what the post was trying to say i believe. …like it is based on tradition/ magisterium interpretations of scripture, by some churches.Actually I did. Ezekiel 44 says so.
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In fact no Scripture says anything at all. Everything depends on interpretation/hermeneutics/etc. which are just bywords for tradition.Well I think you mean some have interpreted as saying so but it mostly certainly does not explu6citly say so. In fact no scripture does,
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Understand but that is not the only linguistic Hebrew understanding “seed”, and it certainly is not a very accurate biological understanding. Does not explain how Mary had the seed of a man then because as you say, the Holy Spirit is not a man or act as one.Seed is what a man has not a woman. Only Mary can claim it because she conceived virginally and for a spiritual being like the Holy Spirit to have what belongs to physical body doesn’t make much sense.
Simple. One of Eve’s descendants will crush the head of Satan.
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And since only Jesus can do that (Calvary even means skull place), we know which descendant: Mary.Simple. One of Eve’s descendants will crush the head of Satan.
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I also believe Jesus is referred to as both petra and petros by Paul, feminine and masculine .Yet you’ll find a lot of Protestants who say the Holy Spirit is feminine, based on the Hebrew term Shekinah (the cloud of the Glory) a
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Mary was not the descendant that crushed Satan, Jesus was.And since only Jesus can do that (Calvary even means skull place), we know which descendant: Mary.
Perhaps to many folk fell asleep during those boring lineage scriptures, as if they had no purpose.
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Jesus is not a descendant of Eve. He created Eve. Mary is the closest descendant, and crushes through Her Son who does the actual crushing.Mary was not the descendant that crushed Satan, Jesus was.
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You go to far. That is like saying a tree falling in the forest makes no sound if no one is there to hear it. It makes a sound irregardless but maybe not a noise.In fact no Scripture says anything at all. Everything depends on interpretation/hermeneutics/etc. which are just bywords for tradition.
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Ask the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8.You go to far. That is like saying a tree falling in the forest makes no sound if no one is there to hear it. It makes a sound irregardless but maybe not a noise.
My big concern for legacy Protestants is that we’re going back to paganism in the culture at large. Scripture is not perspicuous (easily understandable) and it’s certainly not perspicuous without the Judeo-Christian culture we’ve taken for granted for so long.
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Yes, and she and we are the Bride of Christ.Actually the Holy Spirit isn’t feminine but His Spouse is. One of the great things about being a convert is finding out that Mary was there all along in that way.
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MarysLurker
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Yes, though in the One Body there are many members each with their own function. (1 Cor 12). There’s only one Head, Christ, and only one Heart, Mary.Yes, and she and we are the Bride of Christ.
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mcq72
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And read Hebrew 8:11 or Matt 16:17 or Job 38:36 or Job 32:8Ask the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8.
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MarysLurker
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And that’s what really worries me. There’s a natural longing in the heart for God, but modern culture is covering it up with Marxism, materialism and mutilation. We may be looking at a Romans 1 situation.And read Hebrew 8:11 or Matt 16:17 or Job 38:36 or Job 32:8
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Dont forget the Sacred Heart of Christ. We may not be double minded but…Yes, though in the One Body there are many members each with their own function. (1 Cor 12). There’s only one Head, Christ, and only one Heart, Mary.
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