Nominees for worst hymn

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Well, I agree with you. But I am a little thick in the diplomatic department. Can you please share what these charitable ways are? Please give me some suggestions.
No, respectfully, I suggest that you allow something appropriate to your own situation to be revealed to you through prayer and openness of heart.

What I can tell you is that if you approach anyone with a sense of panic and outrage, there is no way you can avoid being offensive and unsupportive. Why don’t you offer to join your parish’s liturgy committee?
 
I never heard Faure’s Requiem. I will check around next year to see if any churches are doing it. I might even go to an Episcopal church in addition to Catholic Mass (of course, no communion at Episcopal) if they are having Faure’s Requiem and no Catholic churches are.

I would hope more people attend All Saints’ Mass, because it is a Holy Day of Obligation, unlike All Souls’ which is not.

Do you know if there are any links to podcasts of Faure’s Requiem on-line?
You Tube has sections of Faure’s Requiem:

ie.youtube.com/results?search_query=faure%27s+requiem&search=Search

Also, you can buy it on CD.
 
I never heard Faure’s Requiem. I will check around next year to see if any churches are doing it. I might even go to an Episcopal church in addition to Catholic Mass (of course, no communion at Episcopal) if they are having Faure’s Requiem and no Catholic churches are.
Of course. 🙂 I don’t receive communion for obvious reasons when I’ve gone to Episcopal/Anglican services as well. I’ve done it to receive my Catholic musical spiritual inspiration.
I would hope more people attend All Saints’ Mass, because it is a Holy Day of Obligation, unlike All Souls’ which is not.
Yes, I would hope, too and that may explain why only 200 people came to the All Soul’s Mass. I have a feeling that had it been on All Saints Day, there would have been the normal amount of congregants as you would see at any All Saints Day mass, rather than the small number at a typical All Souls Day mass. But it doesn’t make sense to do a Requiem for All Saints Day.
Do you know if there are any links to podcasts of Faure’s Requiem on-line?
This a good recording of it:

amazon.com/Faure-Requiem-other-choral-music/dp/B0000031HB/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1194930957&sr=8-2

There is another one directed by Philippe Herewegge with the La Chapelle Royale. I couldn’t find the recording though. That is wonderful recording.
 
Of course. 🙂 I don’t receive communion for obvious reasons when I’ve gone to Episcopal/Anglican services as well. I’ve done it to receive my Catholic musical spiritual inspiration.
I understand that you know the rules. I just mentioned that in my post so nobody gets the wrong idea about me.
Yes, I would hope, too and that may explain why only 200 people came to the All Soul’s Mass. I have a feeling that had it been on All Saints Day, there would have been the normal amount of congregants as you would see at any All Saints Day mass, rather than the small number at a typical All Souls Day mass. But it doesn’t make sense to do a Requiem for All Saints Day.
That’s true.
This a good recording of it:
There is another one directed by Philippe Herewegge with the La Chapelle Royale. I couldn’t find the recording though. That is wonderful recording.
Thanks for the link. 🙂
 
The Episcopal church where I sing routinely does an All Saints evensong with requiem. This year we did the Faure with orchestra on the Sunday after All Saints. (We also did the North American premiere of the Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis by David Briggs this time.) Last year it was the John Rutter with a Mag and Nunc by Herbert Howells. In previous years, we’ve done the Durufle. Next year, we’re going for broke with the Brahms. That will be our choir director’s swan song - he’s retiring after that. It will be his first and last Brahms Requiem.

You all are invited and no worries about Communion - it’s just evening prayer!

Betsy
 
The Episcopal church where I sing routinely does an All Saints evensong with requiem. This year we did the Faure with orchestra on the Sunday after All Saints. (We also did the North American premiere of the Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis by David Briggs this time.) Last year it was the John Rutter with a Mag and Nunc by Herbert Howells. In previous years, we’ve done the Durufle. Next year, we’re going for broke with the Brahms. That will be our choir director’s swan song - he’s retiring after that. It will be his first and last Brahms Requiem.

You all are invited and no worries about Communion - it’s just evening prayer!

Betsy
The Episcopal Cathedral in my city does Choral Evensong on Wednesday evenings. I am thinking of going. What is the service like? How long is it? Is there anything else besides listening to the organist and choir?
 
It depends on which side of the Mason-Dixon line your homestead is. One time, our rector had the choir stop in mid-note when they sang this particular song. He’s from the South and asked them to never sing that piece again.
So true, and that had never occurred to me until our new music director came. She is from Texas, and I was telling her about the time we sang that previously under the old director. She smiled and told me that she had never used that piece because where she came from it wasn’t exactly the type of hymn people wanted to hear. It took me a minute to get it since I’ve always thought of it as a sort of national hymn, and then I was like, “Ohhh, right!, that would be a sore spot with some!”
 
The Episcopal Cathedral in my city does Choral Evensong on Wednesday evenings. I am thinking of going. What is the service like? How long is it? Is there anything else besides listening to the organist and choir?
Evensong is my favorite service. After an organ prelude, it starts with a sung Introit (usually by choir). Then there are some short prayers with responses that may be sung or said. Then a hymn. Then a psalm, usually chanted. Then a scripture reading followed by a sung Magnificat. Then another reading followed by a sung Nunc Dimittis (Lord, now lettest Thou Thy servant depart in peace…) Then the Apostles’ Creed, the Lord’s Prayer and some other prayers, usually including the General Thanksgiving (I love this) and the prayer of St. John Chrysostom. Another hymn. An anthem (this is where we do the Requiem) by the choir and closing prayers. Then the Orison (don’t know what this word means or where it came from, but it’s a short evening - themed piece by choir), the blessing and the final hymn. There may be an organ postlude.

The whole thing usually lasts about 45 minutes, unless there is a major work like a requiem being performed or someone decides to preach. I highly recommend it. Every Wednesday - you lucky thing, you! Absolutely go! Tell us how you like it.

Betsy
 
Evensong is my favorite service. After an organ prelude, it starts with a sung Introit (usually by choir). Then there are some short prayers with responses that may be sung or said. Then a hymn. Then a psalm, usually chanted. Then a scripture reading followed by a sung Magnificat. Then another reading followed by a sung Nunc Dimittis (Lord, now lettest Thou Thy servant depart in peace…) Then the Apostles’ Creed, the Lord’s Prayer and some other prayers, usually including the General Thanksgiving (I love this) and the prayer of St. John Chrysostom. Another hymn. An anthem (this is where we do the Requiem) by the choir and closing prayers. Then the Orison (don’t know what this word means or where it came from, but it’s a short evening - themed piece by choir), the blessing and the final hymn. There may be an organ postlude.

The whole thing usually lasts about 45 minutes, unless there is a major work like a requiem being performed or someone decides to preach. I highly recommend it. Every Wednesday - you lucky thing, you! Absolutely go! Tell us how you like it.

Betsy
I will let you know when I go. Do they have any books or booklets for the congregation to use to follow along?
 
The whole thing usually lasts about 45 minutes, unless there is a major work like a requiem being performed or someone decides to preach. I highly recommend it. Every Wednesday - you lucky thing, you! Absolutely go! Tell us how you like it.

Betsy
Why not work with your parish’s liturgy committee to have Evening Prayer at your Catholic parish? Why would you expose yourself to the possibility of theological errors by going to hear someone else’s preaching?

The Liturgy of the Hours is something that is TOTALLY permissible for the layperson to pray. Why not be a team player and work toward having this available to others in your parish?

I can’t even imagine reciting the Apostle’s Creed in someone else’s denomination.
 
The worst song is “Glory and Praise to Our God.” It has these atrocious vocal leaps and bad modulations. It’s very embarrassing to listen to.
 
Why not work with your parish’s liturgy committee to have Evening Prayer at your Catholic parish? Why would you expose yourself to the possibility of theological errors by going to hear someone else’s preaching?

The Liturgy of the Hours is something that is TOTALLY permissible for the layperson to pray. Why not be a team player and work toward having this available to others in your parish?
My parish cannot even get people to join the choir. I want to hear choral evensong, but this would never happen in my parish. Therefore, I may attend the Episcopal choral evensong, mainly for the music.
 
My parish cannot even get people to join the choir. I want to hear choral evensong, but this would never happen in my parish. Therefore, I may attend the Episcopal choral evensong, mainly for the music.
Forgive me for saying so, but that’s just sad.

Why don’t YOU join the choir, or also, just start with a recited Evening Prayer at your parish? Watch what happens to your ministries once more opportunities to pray become available. You don’t even really need a priest present, and I’m sure your pastor would welcome this prayer outlet.

Seems as though the visit to the seperated brethren is purely for a concert…for plain entertainment purposes. Our liturgical music has a completely different purpose altogether, and we need all hands on deck.

I would strongly encourage you to pray over ways to help your parish along instead of diverting your attention to other faiths.
 
Forgive me for saying so, but that’s just sad.

Why don’t YOU join the choir, or also, just start with a recited Evening Prayer at your parish? Watch what happens to your ministries once more opportunities to pray become available. You don’t even really need a priest present, and I’m sure your pastor would welcome this prayer outlet.

Seems as though the visit to the seperated brethren is purely for a concert…for plain entertainment purposes. Our liturgical music has a completely different purpose altogether, and we need all hands on deck.

I would strongly encourage you to pray over ways to help your parish along instead of diverting your attention to other faiths.
I cannot carry a tune in a bucket, so choir is not an option for me. I am involved in Bible study. I do not have time to devote to recited Evening Prayer in my parish. I do participate in quite a few activities in my parish, including the evangelization committee. Since I am not a musician, I see nothing wrong with visiting another church to hear the music. Back when I was in college, I used to attend brown bag concerts at the Episcopal cathedral. Many of the concerts featured sacred music.
 
Seems as though the visit to the seperated brethren is purely for a concert…for plain entertainment purposes.
Why would this be any worse than purchasing a CD of the music or watching a YouTube video?
 
Why would this be any worse than purchasing a CD of the music or watching a YouTube video?
In my opinion, you would be exposed to theologically unsound preaching by going to hear this live. This is why I think it’s worse.

The central premise for this particular thread seems to be the unsound theology in many of the liturgical songs we use in the American Catholic church.

So I guess I’m scratching my head over the exposure to theologically unsound preaching as well. It wasn’t all that long ago that we Catholics were warned against even setting foot in the churches of others…for just this reason. I personally think it was very prudent advice.

I’m also reminded of the stories of people who left the Church for the Anglican/Episcopals when Vatican II hit. They just couldn’t bear any change (read: imperfection in a new form), so they decided to split with the Faith.
 
In my opinion, you would be exposed to theologically unsound preaching by going to hear this live. This is why I think it’s worse.
There may not even be any preaching. Even if there was, I am solid enough in my faith to ignore it. I found this website which says this:
What should I expect at Evensong?
Hymns
Readings
Anglican Chant
Pieces of Music sung by the Choir
Will there be a sermon?
No.
 
Why would you expose yourself to the possibility of theological errors by going to hear someone else’s preaching?
Interesting point. But you find them on radio all the time. Some are actually good as they study the life of Christ from Scripture and stuff.

As far as music goes, I’ll stick to organ recitals at non-Catholic, even university, chapels. Nothing wrong with instrumental music once in a while.
 
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