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Methinks thou dost protest too much
See the following link catholic.com/library/salvation.asp.
Peace and Luv
Claire
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Methinks thou dost protest too much
See the following link catholic.com/library/salvation.asp.
Peace and Luv
Claire
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Little_Mary
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I am glad Becky and Heavensmychoice are here. I pray that they will be lead to the truth and ultimately see that Jesus Christ’s one true church is the Catholic Church. It is so easy to color one’s comments with scripture but, time is much better spend meditating on that scripture as it is written in context, and asking the Holy Spirit to lead them home.
Welcome you two!
Welcome you two!
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Shari
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I had the same feelings when I started agreeing with the church and seeing the Truth. I absolutley loved my Presbyterian church I attended and my kids were in Sunday school and everything. There were 2 things that helped me decide. #1 I couldn’t stay in a church where I didn’t believe what they believe or if they knew that I prayed the rosary and asked for the intercession of Saints and believe in purgatory I would probably not be liked very much. I felt like a hipocrit staying there. Most of the people there thought it would be ok to have a open homesexual pastor because that maybe that was how the bible was speaking to them. I couldn’t agree with that. #2 If I believed that the Catholic church was the church Jesus built on Peter and I did not go home to It then I felt like I was breaking the first commandment, have no other God’s before Me. I felt like no matter how much I loved my church, I was putting it before Gods will of me to be in the Catholic church. I pray you do come home soon.
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tjw163
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(All quotes taken from the RSV-CE translation)Search the Scriptures, search the Scriptures…
You will find out for yourself that water baptism always happened after salvation.
Acts 22:16 “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.”
Also, it seems to me that baptism is associated with the death of Christ, as can be gleaned from the following:
Romans 6:3-4 “Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.”
Colossians 2:12 “and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.”
As Christians, we are called to die to self, and die to those things of the world, that we may rise to new life in the Spirit. The first quote I gave from Acts 22:16 shows that baptism is a washing away of sin, which fits perfectly with the next two quotes of how by baptism were were buried with Christ. Only after being buried with Christ (through Baptism) can we truly live a life through faith in Christ Jesus.
So in summary… we come to have faith in Christ Jesus through the hearing of the word (cf Romans 10:17). This faith leads us to desire baptism to wash away sins, that we might be “buried with [Christ]” (Colossians 2:12) and then rise with Him through faith and “walk in newness of life.” (Romans 6:4).
In order to hope to share in the Resurrection (and eternal life), we are called to first be buried with Christ Jesus. That is what Baptism is. Hopefully this clarifies the necessity of baptism.
Blessings,
Tim
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theodorro
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I’m roman catholic. I was a orthodox-schismatic, but I had studdid the Fathers of the Church and the true history, I say true because the orthodox christians present a false history.
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Thepeug
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Theodorro,
In your readings, what convinced you that the Catholic Church was the ‘true church,’ and not the Orthodox?
God bless,
Chris
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mango_2003
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Yeah…I’m just not really involved anymore…the thread went elsewhere. Gimme something to post about and I’ll post!Hey mango,
I hope you still visit this thread, I liked to see your posts.
Malachi4U
I like to see your posts too!
~mango~
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theodorro
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The Catholic Church is the true Church, I have read the Bibel and I looked at the arguments of Peter ast the primacy of the Church, I studdied the orthodox books about this, and finaly I have read the greco-latin pathrology and I saw that the Church of Rome hat the primacy of all Churches. Ind of course, the history tells this, the orthodox church invented the canon 28 at the IV-th Council which was not accepted by the Pope and not event by a half of Fathers of the Council, there were 500, and only 150 adopted and agreed the canon.
Readings:
The Pathrology (Augustine, Athanasius, Cyprian of Carthage, Cyril of Alexandria, Maxim the Confesor, John Damaschine etc), The Holy Scripture and other books in Romania who treat the problems of schism (i have read a book writen by an ex orthodox monk who became a basilian catholic monk, I talked with love about the orthodox and schism and he hope that the unification will come…the orthodox anticatholic books are many and I have read a part of them and no one is based on the Sacred Tradition), and of course the history of the latin origins of the romanian people who received the christianity from the latin priests, but in IX with the convertion at byzantine-christianity of bulgars, the Constantinople sent priests here and because we were under bulgar ocupation, the romanian people was forced to adopt the byzantine rite, and the latin priests was killed by the Constantinople men (it was descovered a catacomb undet Tismana Abbey dated in IX or X century, with latin preys and manuscripts, event the christianity was free since IV century, the latin priests with the people, had to hide to celebrate the Mass because the byzantine priests and ierarchy was hunting them and cuted their thongue).
And the Orthodox Church is practising the simony, if you want to be an orthodox priest, here in Romania, you have to pay to the bishop 4000 EUROs (over 4000 $) - I have a friend who payed, and lot of young men who want to be orthodox priests want because of money, in the orthodoxism when you ask the priest to bless the house you have to pay, when tey go to confess near the priest is a box where they have to put money, at the onction of the ill people they have to pay the priest, for baptism and matrimony the same thing. In January, when the orthodox priest come to bless the houses he makes ~5000 $, I have friends orthodox priests and people and I calculated the flats who have to bless the parish priest and aproximative the sum of money which is payed, so I fount the sum of 5000 $. After the Mass he goes home with a lot of money every sunday.
Read the message of mine on the thread obout the Byzantine Caholic Mass there is another message about the Orthodoc Church (the Patrarch and his ful of hate soul).
Even so, I consider the orthodox people my brothers, this thing which I described above don’t affect the faith/doctrine which in part is correct, I hope that the Communion with the Catholic Church will come soon.
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arthra
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I’m a Baha’i and was drawn to these forums by a thread on Unitarianism and Baha’i Faith…
I’m also involved in a local Inter Faith Council and work with Catholics there…and as a volunteer at a local hospital in a pastoral care program.
Generally I’ve had positive feelings about Catholics I’ve met and respect them.
I’m also involved in a local Inter Faith Council and work with Catholics there…and as a volunteer at a local hospital in a pastoral care program.
Generally I’ve had positive feelings about Catholics I’ve met and respect them.
- Art
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donadei
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Hi, Becky,I can’t speak for HMC, but the following is probably what she means by being “born again”:
What does it mean to be “born again”?
(Source:www.bgea.org)
In addition Billy Graham also wrote a book: How To Be Born Again.
Becky
To be born again is to be baptized of water and Spirit, so Christ said to Nicodemus. This is what Catholics believe in: to be baptized is to be born again.
Here’s what John 3 says:
1 Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2
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He came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one can do these signs that you are doing unless God is with him.”
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Jesus answered and said to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born 3 from above.”
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Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?”
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Jesus answered, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.
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What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit.
No, I don’t read Billy Graham. The Gospel of John suffices.
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donadei
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Reading your post tells me that you have not really understood the fullness of the Catholic Faith. You might be in for a surprise one of these days…
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pacersFan
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I was raised a generic “Christian”. After doing some research, I believe I was raised fundamentalist, but my family never came out and said that’s what we were. We went to many different churches during my upbringing, and actually stopped going by the time I was a teen-ager.
I married a catholic woman, and I’ve been attending Mass off and on with her for the last 10 years. I’ve recently been called back into my faith. I have spent some time trying researching and praying to determine which denomination (is that the correct term?) of Christianity is best for me, and I have come to the conclusion that it is Catholicism. I will be speaking with the Church in the next month or so to determine what my next steps are.
I really like the quote from C.S. Lewis about how the divisions between the different denominations (again, not sure if that is the correct term) of Christianity is but a crack compared to the canyon that divides the followers of Christ from the rest of the world. The more research I do, the more I realize that the divisions between us are simply misconceptions and differences on interpretations of scripture. It seems fruitless to me that we should spend so much time arguing, when we could be out spreading the good news.
I married a catholic woman, and I’ve been attending Mass off and on with her for the last 10 years. I’ve recently been called back into my faith. I have spent some time trying researching and praying to determine which denomination (is that the correct term?) of Christianity is best for me, and I have come to the conclusion that it is Catholicism. I will be speaking with the Church in the next month or so to determine what my next steps are.
I really like the quote from C.S. Lewis about how the divisions between the different denominations (again, not sure if that is the correct term) of Christianity is but a crack compared to the canyon that divides the followers of Christ from the rest of the world. The more research I do, the more I realize that the divisions between us are simply misconceptions and differences on interpretations of scripture. It seems fruitless to me that we should spend so much time arguing, when we could be out spreading the good news.
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Thepeug
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It’s wonderful that you’ve embraced your faith again, pacersfan .
God bless,
Chris
.God bless,
Chris
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theodorro
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God bless all of you have converted to the true faith: Holy, Catholic and Apostholic.
I pray for all catholics to be good examples and for those who are not yet in full communion with the true Church.
I pray for all catholics to be good examples and for those who are not yet in full communion with the true Church.
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Gryphon
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And yet, Christ Himself established His Church to guide and protect the flock of His faithful.
Christians aren’t meant to live outside of the care of the Church that Christ established… don’t deprive yourself of His great gift of a Communion of Saints.
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cazayoux
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newadvent.org/cathen/02648c.htm
here’s a link to what info I found on St. B.
Didn’t see the quote above.
I agree that this quote is disturbing.
Where did the quote come from?
Karl has shown examples of misquotings.
Can I hope that this is another case?
michel
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cazayoux
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Before man understood gravity, man understood the AFFECTS of gravity without understanding gravity itself.
Man’s lack of understanding of gravity didn’t make gravity any less real.
Our understanding of something doesn’t make the something exist. It exists with or without OUR understanding it.
michel
(lover of science and SO Catholic)
science is the best thing God ever gave us!
Man’s lack of understanding of gravity didn’t make gravity any less real.
Our understanding of something doesn’t make the something exist. It exists with or without OUR understanding it.
michel
(lover of science and SO Catholic)
science is the best thing God ever gave us!
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cazayoux
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Yeah !!
She sounds like she is on fire with the Holy Spirit.
I pray that the Holy Spirit leads you to study your faith.
… study the origins of your faith … don’t stop in the 1500’s now … keeeeep going …
If you seek truth … you will find it.
Do you seek truth, or hope to define it?
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Thepeug
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cazayoux said:
Michel,
Thanks for the link. Honestly, I’m unsure of the quote’s original source. I copied it from someone’s post on Beliefnet.com.
God bless,
Chris
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donadei
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Thank you for your post, Cazayoux.
It’s good to know that our God is a God of history, not a God from the 1500s only.
God bless us all.
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