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Do you recieve the body and blood soul and devinity of Jesus in the most Holy sacarment of the Altar ?
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Amen, I had 33 year to confess. I even brought a written list of my sins to make sure I didn’t forget any…was that wrong? I am also on my way home. God Bless
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I beg to differ! Sacraments are not man-made invention – they are God-given gifts. They are not, most of all, “additional means of atonement.”
Yes, it is true that salvation lies totally in the Blood of Christ – sacrificed at the Cross of Calvary; but what do you think the Most Holy Eucharist is? It’s the same Blood and Body of Christ sacrificed – the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world, the Bread of Life that giveth eternal life! Sacraments of Reconciliation is the forgiveness of our sins, made possible by the same sacrifice! It’s not something we invented, let alone something that “add to Christ’s sacrifice to atone our sins.”
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you protestants talk about how the catholic church invents things. You have no idea what you are talking about.
If they invented the sacraments then why did Jesus say that you must eat his body and driink his blood to have eternal life? No where in that passage does it say that it is a figurative statement.
Why does Paul say in 1Cor 11 That if you eat the eucharist unworthily then you drink judgement upon yourself? How can you take the eucharist unworthily if it is not the body of Christ?
Jesus also said to the rich man that he must follow his commandments and that he must give up everything that he had and follow him in order to go to heaven.
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, a certain man running up and kneeling before him, asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may receive life everlasting? 18 And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not kill, do not steal, bear not false witness, do no fraud, honour thy father and mother. 20 But he answering, said to him: Master, all these things I have observed from my youth.
Mark 10
18 “None is good”… Of himself entirely and essentially, but God alone; men may be good also, but only by participation of God’s goodness. 21 And Jesus looking on him, loved him, and said to him: One thing is wanting unto thee: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me. 22 Who being struck sad at that saying, went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus looking round about, saith to his disciples: How hardly shall they that have riches, enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus again answering, saith to them: Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches, to enter into the kingdom of God?
If they invented the sacraments then why did Jesus say that you must eat his body and driink his blood to have eternal life? No where in that passage does it say that it is a figurative statement.
Why does Paul say in 1Cor 11 That if you eat the eucharist unworthily then you drink judgement upon yourself? How can you take the eucharist unworthily if it is not the body of Christ?
Jesus also said to the rich man that he must follow his commandments and that he must give up everything that he had and follow him in order to go to heaven.
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, a certain man running up and kneeling before him, asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may receive life everlasting? 18 And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not kill, do not steal, bear not false witness, do no fraud, honour thy father and mother. 20 But he answering, said to him: Master, all these things I have observed from my youth.
Mark 10
18 “None is good”… Of himself entirely and essentially, but God alone; men may be good also, but only by participation of God’s goodness. 21 And Jesus looking on him, loved him, and said to him: One thing is wanting unto thee: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me. 22 Who being struck sad at that saying, went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus looking round about, saith to his disciples: How hardly shall they that have riches, enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus again answering, saith to them: Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches, to enter into the kingdom of God?
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How did the catholic church invent penance? Here are some quotes.
But unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish.—Luke xiii.3
And God indeed having winked at the times of this ignorance, now declareth unt men, that all should everywhere do penance.Because he hath appointed a day, wherein he will judge the world in equity, by the man whom he hath appointed; giving faith to all, by raising him up from the dead.—Acts xvii 30,31
Therefore will I judge every man according to his ways, O house of Israel, saith the Lord God. Be converted, and do penace for all your inquities: and iniquity shall not be your ruin.—Ezech. xviii. 30
And in those days cometh John the Baptist, preaching in the desert of Judea.And saying: Do penance: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. ----Matt. iii. 1,2
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.—Matt. iv 17
But I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first charity. Be mindful, therefore, from whence thou art fallen : and do penance and do the first works. Or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou do penace.—Apoc. ii. 4, 5
But I have against thee a few things: because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling-block before the children of Israel, to eat, and to commit fornication:So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaites.In like manner, do penance: if not, I will come to thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.—Apoc. ii 14-16
Be watchful and strengthen the things that remain, which are ready to die. For I find not thy works full before my God.Have in mind therefore in what manner thou hast received and heard: and observe, and do penance.----Apoc. iii. 2,3
Such as I love, rebuke and chastise. Be zealous therefore, and do penance.—Apoc.iii 19
But unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish.—Luke xiii.3
And God indeed having winked at the times of this ignorance, now declareth unt men, that all should everywhere do penance.Because he hath appointed a day, wherein he will judge the world in equity, by the man whom he hath appointed; giving faith to all, by raising him up from the dead.—Acts xvii 30,31
Therefore will I judge every man according to his ways, O house of Israel, saith the Lord God. Be converted, and do penace for all your inquities: and iniquity shall not be your ruin.—Ezech. xviii. 30
And in those days cometh John the Baptist, preaching in the desert of Judea.And saying: Do penance: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. ----Matt. iii. 1,2
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.—Matt. iv 17
But I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first charity. Be mindful, therefore, from whence thou art fallen : and do penance and do the first works. Or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou do penace.—Apoc. ii. 4, 5
But I have against thee a few things: because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling-block before the children of Israel, to eat, and to commit fornication:So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaites.In like manner, do penance: if not, I will come to thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.—Apoc. ii 14-16
Be watchful and strengthen the things that remain, which are ready to die. For I find not thy works full before my God.Have in mind therefore in what manner thou hast received and heard: and observe, and do penance.----Apoc. iii. 2,3
Such as I love, rebuke and chastise. Be zealous therefore, and do penance.—Apoc.iii 19
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Here are some more quotes that aren’t in the bible but they are from the early church.
The Didache
“Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . . On the Lord’s Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure” (*Didache *4:14, 14:1 [A.D. 70]).
The Letter of Barnabas
You shall judge righteously. You shall not make a schism, but you shall pacify those that contend by bringing them together. You shall confess your sins. You shall not go to prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of light. (*Letter of Barnabas *19 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch
“For as many as are of God and of Jesus Christ are also with the bishop. And as many as shall, in the exercise of penance, return into the unity of the Church, these, too, shall belong to God, that they may live according to Jesus Christ” (*Letter to the Philadelphians *3 [A.D. 110]).
Ignatius of Antioch
“For where there is division and wrath, God does not dwell. To all them that repent, the Lord grants forgiveness, if they turn in penitence to the unity of God, and to communion with the bishop” (ibid., 8)
Irenaeus of Lyons
“[The Gnostic disciples of Marcus] have deluded many women. . . . Their consciences have been branded as with a hot iron. Some of these women make a public confession, but others are ashamed to do this, and in silence, as if withdrawing from themselves the hope of the life of God, they either apostatize entirely or hesitate between the two courses” (*Against Heresies *1:22 [A.D. 189]).
Tertullian
“[Regarding confession, some] flee from this work as being an exposure of themselves, or they put it off from day to day. I presume they are more mindful of modesty than of salvation, like those who contract a disease in the more shameful parts of the body and shun making themselves known to the physicians; and thus they perish along with their own bashfulness” (*Repentance *10:1 [A.D. 203]).
Tertullian
“[T]the Church has the power of forgiving sins. This I acknowledge and adjudge” (ibid., 21).
Tertullian
“I hear that there has even been an edict set forth . . . The Great Pontiff–that is, the bishop of bishops *–issues an edict: 'I remit, to such as have discharged penance, the sins both of adultery and of fornication” (*Modesty *1 [A.D. 220]).
The Didache
“Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . . On the Lord’s Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure” (*Didache *4:14, 14:1 [A.D. 70]).
The Letter of Barnabas
You shall judge righteously. You shall not make a schism, but you shall pacify those that contend by bringing them together. You shall confess your sins. You shall not go to prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of light. (*Letter of Barnabas *19 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch
“For as many as are of God and of Jesus Christ are also with the bishop. And as many as shall, in the exercise of penance, return into the unity of the Church, these, too, shall belong to God, that they may live according to Jesus Christ” (*Letter to the Philadelphians *3 [A.D. 110]).
Ignatius of Antioch
“For where there is division and wrath, God does not dwell. To all them that repent, the Lord grants forgiveness, if they turn in penitence to the unity of God, and to communion with the bishop” (ibid., 8)
Irenaeus of Lyons
“[The Gnostic disciples of Marcus] have deluded many women. . . . Their consciences have been branded as with a hot iron. Some of these women make a public confession, but others are ashamed to do this, and in silence, as if withdrawing from themselves the hope of the life of God, they either apostatize entirely or hesitate between the two courses” (*Against Heresies *1:22 [A.D. 189]).
Tertullian
“[Regarding confession, some] flee from this work as being an exposure of themselves, or they put it off from day to day. I presume they are more mindful of modesty than of salvation, like those who contract a disease in the more shameful parts of the body and shun making themselves known to the physicians; and thus they perish along with their own bashfulness” (*Repentance *10:1 [A.D. 203]).
Tertullian
“[T]the Church has the power of forgiving sins. This I acknowledge and adjudge” (ibid., 21).
Tertullian
“I hear that there has even been an edict set forth . . . The Great Pontiff–that is, the bishop of bishops *–issues an edict: 'I remit, to such as have discharged penance, the sins both of adultery and of fornication” (*Modesty *1 [A.D. 220]).
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Hippolytus
“[The bishop conducting the ordination of the new bishop shall pray:] God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . Pour forth now that power which comes from you, from your Royal Spirit, which you gave to your beloved Son, Jesus Christ, and which he bestowed upon his holy apostles . . . and grant this your servant, whom you have chosen for the episcopate, [the power] to feed your holy flock and to serve without blame as your high priest, ministering night and day to propitiate unceasingly before your face and to offer to you the gifts of your holy Church, and by the Spirit of the high-priesthood to have the authority to forgive sins, in accord with your command” (*Apostolic Tradition *3 [A.D. 215])
Origen
“[A final method of forgiveness], albeit hard and laborious [is] the remission of sins through penance, when the sinner . . . does not shrink from declaring his sin to a priest of the Lord and from seeking medicine ,after the manner of him who say, ‘I said, “To the Lord I will accuse myself of my iniquity”’” (*Homilies in Leviticus *2:4 [A.D. 248]).
Cyprian of Carthage
“The Apostle likewise bears witness and says: ’ . . . Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord’ [1 Cor. 11:27]. But [the impenitent] spurn and despise all these warnings; before their sins are expiated, before they have made a confession of their crime, before their conscience has been purged in the ceremony and at the hand of the priest . . . they do violence to his body and blood, and with their hands and mouth they sin against the Lord more than when they denied him” (*The Lapsed *15:1
Cyprian of Carthage
“Of how much greater faith and salutary fear are they who . . . confess their sins to the priests of God in a straightforward manner and in sorrow, making an open declaration of conscience. . . . I beseech you, brethren, let everyone who has sinned confess his sin while he is still in this world, while his confession is still admissible, while the satisfaction and remission made through the priests are still pleasing before the Lord” (ibid., 28).
“[The bishop conducting the ordination of the new bishop shall pray:] God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . Pour forth now that power which comes from you, from your Royal Spirit, which you gave to your beloved Son, Jesus Christ, and which he bestowed upon his holy apostles . . . and grant this your servant, whom you have chosen for the episcopate, [the power] to feed your holy flock and to serve without blame as your high priest, ministering night and day to propitiate unceasingly before your face and to offer to you the gifts of your holy Church, and by the Spirit of the high-priesthood to have the authority to forgive sins, in accord with your command” (*Apostolic Tradition *3 [A.D. 215])
Origen
“[A final method of forgiveness], albeit hard and laborious [is] the remission of sins through penance, when the sinner . . . does not shrink from declaring his sin to a priest of the Lord and from seeking medicine ,after the manner of him who say, ‘I said, “To the Lord I will accuse myself of my iniquity”’” (*Homilies in Leviticus *2:4 [A.D. 248]).
Cyprian of Carthage
“The Apostle likewise bears witness and says: ’ . . . Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord’ [1 Cor. 11:27]. But [the impenitent] spurn and despise all these warnings; before their sins are expiated, before they have made a confession of their crime, before their conscience has been purged in the ceremony and at the hand of the priest . . . they do violence to his body and blood, and with their hands and mouth they sin against the Lord more than when they denied him” (*The Lapsed *15:1
Cyprian of Carthage
“Of how much greater faith and salutary fear are they who . . . confess their sins to the priests of God in a straightforward manner and in sorrow, making an open declaration of conscience. . . . I beseech you, brethren, let everyone who has sinned confess his sin while he is still in this world, while his confession is still admissible, while the satisfaction and remission made through the priests are still pleasing before the Lord” (ibid., 28).
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Cyprian of Carthage
“inners may do penance for a set time, and according to the rules of discipline come to public confession, and by imposition of the hand of the bishop and clergy receive the right of communion. [But now some] with their time [of penance] still unfulfilled . . . they are admitted to communion, and their name is presented; and while the penitence is not yet performed, confession is not yet made, the hands of the bishop and clergy are not yet laid upon them, the Eucharist is given to them; although it is written, ‘Whosoever shall eat the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord’ [1 Cor. 11:27]” (*Letters *9:2 [A.D. 253]).
Cyprian of Carthage
“And do not think, dearest brother, that either the courage of the brethren will be lessened, or that martyrdoms will fail for this cause, that penance is relaxed to the lapsed, and that the hope of peace * is offered to the penitent. . . . For to adulterers even a time of repentance is granted by us, and peace is given” (ibid., 51[55]:20).
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“But I wonder that some are so obstinate as to think that repentance is not to be granted to the lapsed, or to suppose that pardon is to be denied to the penitent, when it is written, ‘Remember whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works’ [Rev. 2:5], which certainly is said to him who evidently has fallen, and whom the Lord exhorts to rise up again by his deeds [of penance], because it is written, “Alms deliver from death” [Tob. 12:8]” (ibid., 51[55]:22).
Aphraahat the Persian Sage
“You [priests], then, who are disciples of our illustrious Physician, you ought not deny a curative to those in need of healing. And if anyone uncovers his wound before you, give him the remedy of repentance. And he that is ashamed to make known his weakness, encourage him so that he will not hide it from you. And when he has revealed it to you, do not make it public, lest because of it the innocent might be reckoned as guilty by our enemies and by those who hate us” (*Treatises *7:3 [A.D. 340]).
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“It is necessary to confess our sins to those to whom the dispensation of God’s mysteries is entrusted. Those doing penance of old are found to have done it before the saints. It is written in the Gospel that they confessed their sins to John the Baptist [Matt. 3:6], but in Acts [19:18] they confessed to the apostles” (*Rules Briefly Treated *288 [A.D. 374]).
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Cyprian of Carthage
“And do not think, dearest brother, that either the courage of the brethren will be lessened, or that martyrdoms will fail for this cause, that penance is relaxed to the lapsed, and that the hope of peace * is offered to the penitent. . . . For to adulterers even a time of repentance is granted by us, and peace is given” (ibid., 51[55]:20).
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Cyprian of Carthage
“But I wonder that some are so obstinate as to think that repentance is not to be granted to the lapsed, or to suppose that pardon is to be denied to the penitent, when it is written, ‘Remember whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works’ [Rev. 2:5], which certainly is said to him who evidently has fallen, and whom the Lord exhorts to rise up again by his deeds [of penance], because it is written, “Alms deliver from death” [Tob. 12:8]” (ibid., 51[55]:22).
Aphraahat the Persian Sage
“You [priests], then, who are disciples of our illustrious Physician, you ought not deny a curative to those in need of healing. And if anyone uncovers his wound before you, give him the remedy of repentance. And he that is ashamed to make known his weakness, encourage him so that he will not hide it from you. And when he has revealed it to you, do not make it public, lest because of it the innocent might be reckoned as guilty by our enemies and by those who hate us” (*Treatises *7:3 [A.D. 340]).
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Basil the Great
“It is necessary to confess our sins to those to whom the dispensation of God’s mysteries is entrusted. Those doing penance of old are found to have done it before the saints. It is written in the Gospel that they confessed their sins to John the Baptist [Matt. 3:6], but in Acts [19:18] they confessed to the apostles” (*Rules Briefly Treated *288 [A.D. 374]).
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John Chrysostom
"Priests have received a power which God has given neither to angels nor to archangels. It was said to them: ‘Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose, shall be loosed.’ Temporal rulers have indeed the power of binding; but they can only bind the body. Priests, in contrast, can bind with a bond which pertains to the soul itself and transcends the very heavens. Did [God] not give them all the powers of heaven? ‘Whose sins you shall forgive,’ he says, ‘they are forgiven them; whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.’ What greater power is there than this? The Father has given all judgment to the Son. And now I see the Son placing all this power in the hands of men [Matt. 10:40, John 20:21*The Priesthood 3:5 [A.D. 387]).
Ambrose of Milan
“For those to whom [the right of binding and loosing] has been given, it is plain that either both are allowed, or it is clear that neither is allowed. Both are allowed to the Church, neither is allowed to heresy. For this right has been granted to priests only” (*Penance *1:1 [A.D. 388]).
Jerome
“If the serpent, the devil, bites someone secretly, he infects that person with the venom of sin. And if the one who has been bitten keeps silence and does not do penance, and does not want to confess his wound . . . then his brother and his master, who have the word [of absolution] that will cure him, cannot very well assist him” (*Commentary on Ecclesiastes *10:11 [A.D. 388]).
"Priests have received a power which God has given neither to angels nor to archangels. It was said to them: ‘Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose, shall be loosed.’ Temporal rulers have indeed the power of binding; but they can only bind the body. Priests, in contrast, can bind with a bond which pertains to the soul itself and transcends the very heavens. Did [God] not give them all the powers of heaven? ‘Whose sins you shall forgive,’ he says, ‘they are forgiven them; whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.’ What greater power is there than this? The Father has given all judgment to the Son. And now I see the Son placing all this power in the hands of men [Matt. 10:40, John 20:21*The Priesthood 3:5 [A.D. 387]).
Ambrose of Milan
“For those to whom [the right of binding and loosing] has been given, it is plain that either both are allowed, or it is clear that neither is allowed. Both are allowed to the Church, neither is allowed to heresy. For this right has been granted to priests only” (*Penance *1:1 [A.D. 388]).
Jerome
“If the serpent, the devil, bites someone secretly, he infects that person with the venom of sin. And if the one who has been bitten keeps silence and does not do penance, and does not want to confess his wound . . . then his brother and his master, who have the word [of absolution] that will cure him, cannot very well assist him” (*Commentary on Ecclesiastes *10:11 [A.D. 388]).
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Jerome
“We read in Leviticus about lepers, where they are ordered to show themselves to the priests, and if they have leprosy, then they are to be declared unclean by the priest. . . . Just as in the Old Testament the priest makes the leper clean or unclean, so in the New Testament the bishop or presbyter binds or looses not those who are innocent or guilty, but by reason of their office, when they have heard various kinds of sins, they know who is to be bound and who is to be loosed” (*Commentary on Matthew *3:16:19 [A.D. 398]).
Augustine
“When you shall have been baptized, keep to a good life in the commandments of God so that you may preserve your baptism to the very end. I do not tell you that you will live here without sin, but they are venial sins which this life is never without. Baptism was instituted for all sins. For light sins, without which we cannot live, prayer was instituted. . . . But do not commit those sins on account of which you would have to be separated from the body of Christ. Perish the thought! For those whom you see doing penance have committed crimes, either adultery or some other enormities. That is why they are doing penance. If their sins were light, daily prayer would suffice to blot them out. . . . In the Church, therefore, there are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptisms, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance” (*Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed *7:15, 8:16 [A.D. 395]).
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“I realize what the incontinent can say: . . . that if a man, accusing his wife of adultery, kills her, this sin, since it is finished and does not perdure in him *, if it is committed by a catechumen, is absolved in baptism, and if it is done by one who is baptized, it is healed by penance and reconciliation” (*Adulterous Marriages *2:16:16 [A.D. 419]).
St. Patrick
“[The murderer] Coroticus . . . fears neither God nor his priests, whom he [God] chose and to whom he granted that highest, divine, and sublime power, that whom they should bind on earth should be bound in heaven” (Let*ter to the Soldiers of Coroticus *6 [A.D. 452]).
Pope Leo I
“With regard to penance, what is demanded of the faithful is clearly not that an acknowledgment of the nature of individual sins written in a little book be read publicly, since it suffices that the states of conscience be made known to the priests alone in secret confession” (Magna indign. 2 [A.D. 459]).
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“We read in Leviticus about lepers, where they are ordered to show themselves to the priests, and if they have leprosy, then they are to be declared unclean by the priest. . . . Just as in the Old Testament the priest makes the leper clean or unclean, so in the New Testament the bishop or presbyter binds or looses not those who are innocent or guilty, but by reason of their office, when they have heard various kinds of sins, they know who is to be bound and who is to be loosed” (*Commentary on Matthew *3:16:19 [A.D. 398]).
Augustine
“When you shall have been baptized, keep to a good life in the commandments of God so that you may preserve your baptism to the very end. I do not tell you that you will live here without sin, but they are venial sins which this life is never without. Baptism was instituted for all sins. For light sins, without which we cannot live, prayer was instituted. . . . But do not commit those sins on account of which you would have to be separated from the body of Christ. Perish the thought! For those whom you see doing penance have committed crimes, either adultery or some other enormities. That is why they are doing penance. If their sins were light, daily prayer would suffice to blot them out. . . . In the Church, therefore, there are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptisms, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance” (*Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed *7:15, 8:16 [A.D. 395]).
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Augustine**
“I realize what the incontinent can say: . . . that if a man, accusing his wife of adultery, kills her, this sin, since it is finished and does not perdure in him *, if it is committed by a catechumen, is absolved in baptism, and if it is done by one who is baptized, it is healed by penance and reconciliation” (*Adulterous Marriages *2:16:16 [A.D. 419]).
St. Patrick
“[The murderer] Coroticus . . . fears neither God nor his priests, whom he [God] chose and to whom he granted that highest, divine, and sublime power, that whom they should bind on earth should be bound in heaven” (Let*ter to the Soldiers of Coroticus *6 [A.D. 452]).
Pope Leo I
“With regard to penance, what is demanded of the faithful is clearly not that an acknowledgment of the nature of individual sins written in a little book be read publicly, since it suffices that the states of conscience be made known to the priests alone in secret confession” (Magna indign. 2 [A.D. 459]).
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What is wrong with mortification? It is a way to quit bad habits. Here is a link to the catholic encyclopedia on it.
newadvent.org/cathen/10578b.htm
The catholic church teaches one belief. The only way there is variation is if people accept what they want to accept and they reject what they want to reject. The catholic church knows what it teaches instead of most protestant churches, which teach that you should believe what you want.
newadvent.org/cathen/10578b.htm
The catholic church teaches one belief. The only way there is variation is if people accept what they want to accept and they reject what they want to reject. The catholic church knows what it teaches instead of most protestant churches, which teach that you should believe what you want.
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Amen and Amen. The Catholic Church has defended that teaching for over 2000 years. It is important for us to know that all of Scripture is true…let’s take a look at the width and depth of the Holy Cross. The verticle beam of the cross reconciles man to God. The horizontal beam of the Holy Cross reconciles man to one another. Without BOTH of these beams-----WE have not accepted the entire Holy Cross. Without BOTH of these beams of the Holy Cross WE have not accepted salvation. Without BOTH of these beams of the Holy Cross WE have been offered the Free Gift of Grace and we have in our pride…refused. Faith without works is dead. Matthew 7:21"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Hold Fast to the Gospel of Truth, dearest Bernie, in the fullness of all that has been revealed. Hold fast to BOTH of the beams of the Holy Cross.
Be In God’s Peace,
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HeavensMyChoice
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Catholic for 32 yrs now Born again Christian.
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donadei
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HeavensMyChoice said:
Hello, HeavensMyChoice,
Do you know that YOU WERE BORN AGAIN when you were baptized into the Catholic Faith? I don’t seem to understand your post.
God bless.
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Becky
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I can’t speak for HMC, but the following is probably what she means by being “born again”:
What does it mean to be “born again”?
**(Source:www.bgea.org)
The only way one can come to God and experience what it means to be “born again” is through repentance of sin and faith in Jesus Christ; read John 14:6. The Bible clearly teaches in Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5, and Romans 10:13 that salvation is a gift; it cannot be earned in any way.
To receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord means more than accepting Him as a fact of history, a teacher, or an example. It means more than giving mental assent to the fact that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world. It means that one turns from sin and with his or her whole heart trusts in Christ as personal Savior and Lord. God makes that one a new person; see 2 Corinthians 5:17. The Bible says, “To all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God” (John 1:12).In addition Billy Graham also wrote a book: How To Be Born Again.
Becky
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Calvin
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I’m non-Catholic.
I was born and raised Fundamentalist. I used to tell a joke about my denomination: “growing up EV Free, I learned that the Church of Jesus Christ was founded in the 1950s in Minnesotta and from thence it has spread rapidly throughout the world.” But I always felt something was missing. An Orthodox priest once told me a story: “if you get lost in the forest you have two choices – blunder forward or turn around and try to go back the way you came.”
I’ve been walking backwards. I went from Fundie to Presbyterian (we have creeds) and now I’m not sure where to go. I’m stuck at 1054. I wish you Catholics and Orthodox would kiss and make up so I wouldn’t have to decide between two ancient Churches claiming to be “the one.”
-C
I was born and raised Fundamentalist. I used to tell a joke about my denomination: “growing up EV Free, I learned that the Church of Jesus Christ was founded in the 1950s in Minnesotta and from thence it has spread rapidly throughout the world.” But I always felt something was missing. An Orthodox priest once told me a story: “if you get lost in the forest you have two choices – blunder forward or turn around and try to go back the way you came.”
I’ve been walking backwards. I went from Fundie to Presbyterian (we have creeds) and now I’m not sure where to go. I’m stuck at 1054. I wish you Catholics and Orthodox would kiss and make up so I wouldn’t have to decide between two ancient Churches claiming to be “the one.”
-C
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jimmy
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Calvin
I hope you find the truth. Here are some links to help you.
catholicapologetics.info/filioque.htm
catholicapologetics.info/orthodox.htm
–Eastern Orthodoxy
–Orthodox Church
–Eastern Schism
–The Orthodox Schism
–A Catholic View of Orthodoxy
–Eastern Orthodoxy
–Orthodox and Catholics
–Apologia: A Catholic Page for Protestants and Eastern Orthodox
–The Schismatic Orthodox Churches
–Proceeding Toward Reunion at Last: Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy
–Progress in Overcoming Old Divisions
–Common Declaration of Pope John Paul II & Patriarch Bartholomew I
–Joint Declaration of Patriarch Athenagoras I and Pope Paul VI
–The Marks of the Church and Eastern Orthodoxy
The Filioque
–Filioque
–The Filioque
–A Catholic-Orthodox Dialogue on the Filioque
–The Father As the Source of the Whole Trinity
–The Filioque Controversy
I hope you find the truth. Here are some links to help you.
catholicapologetics.info/filioque.htm
catholicapologetics.info/orthodox.htm
–Eastern Orthodoxy
–Orthodox Church
–Eastern Schism
–The Orthodox Schism
–A Catholic View of Orthodoxy
–Eastern Orthodoxy
–Orthodox and Catholics
–Apologia: A Catholic Page for Protestants and Eastern Orthodox
–The Schismatic Orthodox Churches
–Proceeding Toward Reunion at Last: Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy
–Progress in Overcoming Old Divisions
–Common Declaration of Pope John Paul II & Patriarch Bartholomew I
–Joint Declaration of Patriarch Athenagoras I and Pope Paul VI
–The Marks of the Church and Eastern Orthodoxy
The Filioque
–Filioque
–The Filioque
–A Catholic-Orthodox Dialogue on the Filioque
–The Father As the Source of the Whole Trinity
–The Filioque Controversy
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James_Kanatous
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If God is the independent creator of the substantially material universe, then God is purely metaphysical and cannot be perceived, nor known empirically, by us because of it’s intangibility. God would be an incomprehensible entity, forever obscured to anything with a finite, cognitive capacity. Therefore, I contend that no one is able to believe in God because of the fact that no one knows what God is. If one does not know what God is, then one cannot believe in God, for in order to believe that something exists, one must first know what it is that they are believing to exist. Can a man who does not know what a, “FGTYR,” is, believe that a, “FGTYR,” exists? And, if a, “FGTYR,” is beyond human comprehension, can it be described meaningfully through an analogy with something tangible?
Analogies and negations are useful tools for elucidating a known concept, however, they are only useful insofar as the concept is known. A negation can never be useful for describing God, as saying what God is not, does not tell you what God is. And, similarly, an analogy is only valid insofar as it is able to refer to something known.
Analogies and negations are useful tools for elucidating a known concept, however, they are only useful insofar as the concept is known. A negation can never be useful for describing God, as saying what God is not, does not tell you what God is. And, similarly, an analogy is only valid insofar as it is able to refer to something known.
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HeavensMyChoice
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Thank You Becky you are right on target, and what better example than Evangelist Billy Graham, a wonderful faith filled man of God. I believe the BIBLE to be THE ONLY INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD. I am led of the spirit, and make no moves other than where God’s spirit leads me, I do not follow the doctrine of an institution or of a man, ONLY the man CHRIST JESUS, who loved me and gave his life for me.He and he alone have absolute authority in and over my life. Now keep in my I do 100% belive in the Trinty, I am however basing my thoughts upon the word of God in John 14:6I can’t speak for HMC, but the following is probably what she means by being “born again”:
What does it mean to be “born again”?
(Source:www.bgea.org)
In addition Billy Graham also wrote a book: How To Be Born Again.
**Becky
Jesus saith unto him," I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." ,and also in Joh 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Bearing this all in mind I feel I have all the direction I need, as who could interced better for me, or who do I need to pray to better than these, who could absolve me of my sins but him who knew no sin , as the word also tells us ALL HAVE SINNED so when I say I am born Again I mean I now embrace The teachings of Our Lord and Saviour ONLY !!. God’s Greatest Blessings Be Upon His People. I.H.S. Evangelist K. Moore
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starrs0
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I belong to the Disciples of Christ but I’m becoming more Catholic in my devotional life and I agree with the Church on several points 1. I believe all the Marian Dogma’s 2. Purgatory is real 3. I do believe in the Real Presence of Christ I just haven’t accepted an explaination as to HOW it happens it’s enough for me to know that he is there. I love to pray the Rosary I ask for the intercession of the Saint’s (esp St. Faustina and St Margaret Mary) daily. I’m devoted to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary (love you mamma 
) as well as the Divine Mercy. I’m open to coming into the Church but I couldn’t bear to just up and leave the church I attend theres to much I like about it. But I did promise that if I was ever to become unable to stay because of some major problem I would leave and join the Catholic Church.
) as well as the Divine Mercy. I’m open to coming into the Church but I couldn’t bear to just up and leave the church I attend theres to much I like about it. But I did promise that if I was ever to become unable to stay because of some major problem I would leave and join the Catholic Church.- Status