Non-Catholics on these boards...

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To Ric and Mango

You guys mention how the sacraments are not needed to get into saved. You also mention that we are saved by Gods grace.

The truth about the sacraments is that they instill Gods grace on our souls and bring us closer to God.

This may have been said allready but I could not read all the posts up to this point, it would take me far too much time.
 
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mango_2003:
How many of you Non-Catholic folks are out there???

Just curious.
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I’m a former Catholic. I started reading the Bible, and that’s when the trouble started (24 years ago). Since I left, it’s been very refreshing to learn from the Bible.

…Bernie
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bernie:
I’m a former Catholic. I started reading the Bible, and that’s when the trouble started (24 years ago). Since I left, it’s been very refreshing to learn from the Bible.

…Bernie
www.FreeGoodNews.com 👋
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  1. what did you read in the Bible that made you decide to leave the Church?
  2. What denomenation do you attend now?
Thanks and God bless.
 
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bernie:
I’m a former Catholic. I started reading the Bible, and that’s when the trouble started (24 years ago). Since I left, it’s been very refreshing to learn from the Bible.

…Bernie
www.FreeGoodNews.com 👋
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Bernie,

How could reading the Bible make you leave His body, His Catholic Church? Please share some facts with us so we can understand better what made you leave.:hmmm:

Reading the Bible without the (miss) interpretation (out of context too) of the preacher made me come home to Christs’ body.:dancing:

The Bible was written by Catholics, for Catholics with Catholic teachings and declared inspired by the Catholic Church. Nothing in the Bible is anti-Catholic and is a wonderful teaching aid to His body, the Church.
 
I walked away from the Roman Catholic Church nearly 12 years ago. Never looked back until recently, and really I’m just trying to make certain I made the right evaluations as a teenager. Lately I’ve been very discouraged in this regard, having been received with a less-than-generous spirit by people on the BeliefNet.com forum. They’d say I’m trying to make myself into a “victim” (in fact, one accused me of that) but really I was just trying to be open about what I believe while sincerely attempting to understand the Catholic position.

From conversations with both Roman Catholics and Orthodox people, I wonder why, even if you DO have the true “deposit of faith,” so many have to be so arrogant in their presentation of their faith? Sure, you feel good believing you are on the right track, but does that require anything less than humility in sharing your faith?

Sorry if this seems accusatory. In my upbringing I never faced people in the RCC that I conceived of as arrogant about their beliefs. Then again, I was on the inside at the time too.

ZS
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Malachi, Its to bad that you think that protestants are not part of the body according to you.Ill stick to what the Word of God says.{ephesians 4 vs.4. We are all parts of one body,we have the same spirit, and we have been called to the same glorious future. In this statement I believe he was addressing christians not roman catholics and that does include me. vs.5.For there is only one Lord,one faith,one baptism,and we all have the same God and Father,who is ovewr us ALL,and living through every part of us. Oh im sorry I forget to mention also one hope. 👍
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Amen and Amen Spoken word! 😃 That is what the Church teaches also! All that are baptized in water, the word and the trinitarian formula, “subsit” in the ONE BODY with Christ as her head. They subsist to the degree that they are teaching the fullness of Christ as taught by the Church. The more revealed truth a church teaches the greater they subsist in His Bride the church.

That is also how we know that the saints intercede for us! You see we are instructed to pray for one another. We are ONE Body-----------Not a body here and a Body in Heaven ------------but we are ONE Body. As one body---------------the Saints do indeed pray for us, as sure as we here now pray for one another!

Thank you so much for pointing this out.

Be in God’s Peace,
 
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jimmy:
To Ric and Mango

You guys mention how the sacraments are not needed to get into saved. You also mention that we are saved by Gods grace.

The truth about the sacraments is that they instill Gods grace on our souls and bring us closer to God.
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Jimmy,

If we need the sacraments to receive God’s grace, then we cannot be saved without them. Therefore, anyone who is not a member of a church with “valid” sacraments cannot be saved. However, the Catechism clearly states that even those who are not Christian in an official sense can be saved. We receive God’s grace when we accept Him as Lord, not just when we recieve the Eucharist or confess. We may receive more grace through these sacraments, but the grace by which we are made one with God is conferred when accept Christ as Lord (and ideally are baptized). What do you think?

God bless,

Chris
 
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ZachS:
Lately I’ve been very discouraged in this regard, having been received with a less-than-generous spirit by people on the BeliefNet.com forum. They’d say I’m trying to make myself into a “victim” (in fact, one accused me of that) but really I was just trying to be open about what I believe while sincerely attempting to understand the Catholic position.
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I am sorry that others were harsh about your approach discussing difficult experiences in the Catholic Church. It is often discouraging that many see me as being harsh------No really ----------they do :eek: There are many days that I am lacking in the practice of the virtue of patience-I know the virtue’s in me-----but I just can’t get it to come OUT.
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ZachS:
From conversations with both Roman Catholics and Orthodox people, I wonder why, even if you DO have the true “deposit of faith,” so many have to be so arrogant in their presentation of their faith? Sure, you feel good believing you are on the right track, but does that require anything less than humility in sharing your faith?
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I guess it is like knowing where the bread-line was during the depression. It is sometimes difficult to comprehend that a person whom was just told where to find the best bread in the world- would say no thanks-I have my own bread here. That is what often leads me personally into the sin of unkindness. I can honestly say you find similar ills in the witness of many Christians. An uncharitable zeal is not exclusive to the members of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
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ZachS:
Sorry if this seems accusatory. In my upbringing I never faced people in the RCC that I conceived of as arrogant about their beliefs. Then again, I was on the inside at the time too.
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Hopefully this board will give you a better experience.

Be in God’s Peace,
 
Dear Ric:

Praise the Lord for You Brother and I hope you might find that Catholics are no different from Christians like you have seen.

I pray that while here, YOU too, might find that the RCC is a treasure. That the Catholic Church contains all the beauty and truth and riches that Christ left us, that She is The True Church established by Christ.

Sure, that doesn’t make other believers non-Christians, just that it’s so wonderful to be in the True Church, not some other one formed by Man. AMEN FOR THIS FACT!!!

God Bless You Brother in Your Journey~~~~
 
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Thepeug:
Jimmy,

If we need the sacraments to receive God’s grace, then we cannot be saved without them. Therefore, anyone who is not a member of a church with “valid” sacraments cannot be saved. However, the Catechism clearly states that even those who are not Christian in an official sense can be saved. We receive God’s grace when we accept Him as Lord, not just when we recieve the Eucharist or confess. We may receive more grace through these sacraments, but the grace by which we are made one with God is conferred when accept Christ as Lord (and ideally are baptized). s
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I think it is very important to remember God is not limited in any way in how, when, where, why and to whom He can give grace. Catholics are not the only ones that can receive God’s graces. What we we know about the sacraments of the Catholic Church is that grace is received when they are done and they do assist greatly in our spiritual journey. We as Catholics believe the God has given us these gifts and want us to use them frequently as they can help us stay in a state of grace. When one is in a state of grace it is easier to discern and work with the graces that God does give you. Those not in a state of grace may still receive God’s graces but what from I understand it can be much harder for the person to use or recognize them.
 
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ncgolf:
I think it is very important to remember God is not limited in any way in how, when, where, why and to whom He can give grace. Catholics are not the only ones that can receive God’s graces. What we we know about the sacraments of the Catholic Church is that grace is received when they are done and they do assist greatly in our spiritual journey. We as Catholics believe the God has given us these gifts and want us to use them frequently as they can help us stay in a state of grace. When one is in a state of grace it is easier to discern and work with the graces that God does give you. Those not in a state of grace may still receive God’s graces but what from I understand it can be much harder for the person to use or recognize them.
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I have to say I completely agree 🙂 .

God bless,

Chris
 
Thepeug

I never said that the only way that you can recieve grace is by recieving the sacraments, but that is what they do. I never said that you couldn’t be saved without the sacraments but I do believe that it would me harder to be saved without them.

Here is a link to a chatechism that is easy to search.
cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/pius/pindex.htm
 
Here.

Cradle-Catholic, Jesuit-educated, Latin-reading…Zen Buddhist.
 
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jimmy:
Thepeug

I never said that the only way that you can recieve grace is by recieving the sacraments, but that is what they do. I never said that you couldn’t be saved without the sacraments but I do believe that it would me harder to be saved without them.

Here is a link to a chatechism that is easy to search.
cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/pius/pindex.htm
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Jimmy,

I know, I read a little too much into your original post. I understand what you mean, though, about the grace received from the sacraments. Thanks for the link!

God bless,

Chris
 
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ZachS:
I walked away from the Roman Catholic Church nearly 12 years ago. Never looked back until recently, and really I’m just trying to make certain I made the right evaluations as a teenager.
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You have my support. As teenagers, I am sure we all felt the need to make these types of decisions, but we may not have been in the best position to make them.
Lately I’ve been very discouraged in this regard, having been received with a less-than-generous spirit by people on the BeliefNet.com forum.
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I am pretty sure you’re going to find a couple of ogres here too. But be strong, there are plenty of others here that will be prepared to support and help you.
From conversations with both Roman Catholics and Orthodox people, I wonder why, even if you DO have the true “deposit of faith,” so many have to be so arrogant in their presentation of their faith? Sure, you feel good believing you are on the right track, but does that require anything less than humility in sharing your faith?ZS
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It’s tough to keep on the straight and narrow, even for those of us who are “on the right track”. Yes, humility is required. Yes, enthusiasm is inevitable. But humility, can easily come across as false and enthusiasm can easily come across as arrogance. Hopefully we won’t come across as either, but please forgive us our failings if we do.:o

BTW, I think it is natural for you to be feeling a bit defensive in your position, so I would also caution you not to read too much into the responses you will get on these forums (including this one:D ).
 
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Pax:
Ric, you not only made the above statement, but in a previous post you stated, “I am catholic (universal)…”. By your own logic, your claiming to be catholic doesn’t make it so!
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I understand Ric. I’m also a catholic priest, but not recognized by the Roman Catholic Church (just like Jesus or John the Baptist weren’t recognized by their religious leaders). I base my claim of being a catholic Priest on this scripture, because I’m a believer and in the body (real body, not Roman Catholic body) of Christ:

1 Peter 2:5
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

(Hint- this wasn’t written to Roman Catholic Priests!)

The Roman Catholics are schismatic. They say to do what they say and do, or else you’re out (going to hell). (After all, missing Mass IS a mortal sin, you know… or I should say it’s only a mortal sin if you DO know…)

…Bernie
www.FreeGoodNews.com
 
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jimmy:
Thepeug

I never said that the only way that you can recieve grace is by recieving the sacraments, but that is what they do. I never said that you couldn’t be saved without the sacraments but I do believe that it would me harder to be saved without them.

Here is a link to a chatechism that is easy to search.
cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/pius/pindex.htm
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Too bad you don’t have the Christian Gospel of being saved by the blood of Christ-- TOTALLY. This is what is so sinister about the Catholic Gospel-- on the cross, Jesus paid for our sins in full, yet Catholics are always inventing other ways to atone for their sins (sacraments, indulgences, penance, mortification, etc.)…

**John 6
**28Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Man then later invented the indulgences, penances, and other works because the true meaning of “the passion” was lost…

Bernie
www.FreeGoodNews.com
 
Tom of Assisi said:
1) what did you read in the Bible that made you decide to leave the Church?
  1. What denomenation do you attend now?
Thanks and God bless.
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  1. The final straw was 1 John 5:13. We can know for sure that we are going to heaven to be with Jesus (it’s not based on what we do, but what Christ has done for us). Catholicism places an anathema on this in the council of Trent, in response to Protestantism.
  2. I attend a non-denomination church called Beaverton Christian Church. I’ve attended many Christian churches since leaving catholicsim, including “Bible” churches, “community” churchs, Calvary Chapel, and a Baptist Church (I think Calvary Chapel is one of the best). I have friends and fellow believers in all these churches. But Catholicism truely comes across as a different religion when you see all the pecularities, such as relic worship, devotions to Mary and the Saints, etc.
I think the monolithic structure of the catholic Church is a sham. You think it’s a big church, but it’s really many different beliefs under one banner of a name. It seems to me that many Priests don’t even believe their own religion, or else how could they knowingly be giving communion to people who aren’t right positioned for it, according to their own (official) theology? Obviously, they don’t believe it, or they would follwo it. They are not stupid or ignorant-- they’re just doing what they want to. And you can’t kick them out, because there’s a shortage, and you wouldn’t have enough Priests…

…Bernie
www.FreeGoodNews.com
 
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