Non-religious arguments against Polyamory?

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Increasingly HIV is spreading amongst the heterosexual community. Lesbians appear to have lower rates of STDs across the board.
According to the CDC it is basically a gay male disease. They’ve been pushing the increasing in heterosexual community line for years. I wouldn’t doubt lesbians do have lower rates of STDs since many STDs wouldn’t spread as easily in that population.
 
According to the CDC it is basically a gay male disease. They’ve been pushing the increasing in heterosexual community line for years. I wouldn’t doubt lesbians do have lower rates of STDs since many STDs wouldn’t spread as easily in that population.
84% of HIV spread in women is from heterosexual sex and the rest is drug use.

If HIV/AIDS is proof men should not engage in sex with men then STDs are proof that women should not engage in sex with men.
 
84% of HIV spread in women is from heterosexual sex and the rest is drug use.

If HIV/AIDS is proof men should not engage in sex with men then STDs are proof that women should not engage in sex with men.
I agree with your last statement except within marriage. Two virgins having sex will not catch a disease.
STD’s are proof positive that we are meant to remain single and masturbate.

Your logic is weak.
No. What the diseases show is what behavior you should not engage in. It does not follow that all other behaviors are therefore good. I don’t know what is so odd about basing human health recommendations on whether an activity leads to disease.
 
STD’s are proof positive that we are meant to remain single and masturbate.

Your logic is weak.
No. What the diseases show is what behavior you should not engage in. It does not follow that all other behaviors are therefore good. I don’t know what is so odd about basing human health recommendations on whether an activity leads to disease.
Egg-zactly.

Using 987mk’s “logic” we should conclude: Lung cancer from smoking is proof positive that we are not to inhale tobacco and meant to inhale nitrous oxide.

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Here’s what St. Thomas says about promiscuity. Basically his argument is that a human child needs a mother and a father, and like other animals where both the male and female are needed monogamy is needed, and promiscuity leads to uncertainty as to whom the father is, which will lead to fathers not participating in raising the child.
St. Thomas:
For we find in all animals where the upbringing of the offspring needs care of both male and female, that these come together not indeterminately, but the male with a certain female, whether one or several; such is the case with all birds: while, on the other hand, among those animals, where the female alone suffices for the offspring’s upbringing, the union is indeterminate, as in the case of dogs and like animals. Now it is evident that the upbringing of a human child requires not only the mother’s care for his nourishment, but much more the care of his father as guide and guardian, and under whom he progresses in goods both internal and external. Hence human nature rebels against an indeterminate union of the sexes and demands that a man should be united to a determinate woman and should abide with her a long time or even for a whole lifetime. Hence it is that in the human race the male has a natural solicitude for the certainty of offspring, because on him devolves the upbringing of the child: and this certainly would cease if the union of sexes were indeterminate.
newadvent.org/summa/3154.htm
 
What? Says who?
Mean occurrence rate for experiencing orgasm during sexual activity with a familiar partner was 62.9% among single women and 85.1% among single men, which was significantly different (F1,2848 = 370.6, P < 0.001, η2 = 0.12). For men, mean occurrence rate of orgasm did not vary by sexual orientation: heterosexual men 85.5%, gay men 84.7%, bisexual men 77.6% (F2,1494 = 2.67, P = 0.07, η2 = 0.004). For women, however, mean occurrence rate of orgasm varied significantly by sexual orientation: heterosexual women 61.6%, lesbian women 74.7%, bisexual women 58.0% (F2,1350 = 10.95, P < 0.001, η2 = 0.02). Lesbian women had a significantly higher probability of orgasm than did either heterosexual or bisexual women (P < 0.05).
Conclusions
Findings from this large dataset of U.S. singles suggest that women, regardless of sexual orientation, have less predictable, more varied orgasm experiences than do men and that for women, but not men, the likelihood of orgasm varies with sexual orientation. These findings demonstrate the need for further investigations into the comparative sexual experiences and sexual health outcomes of sexual minorities. Garcia JR, Lloyd EA, Wallen K, and Fisher HE. Variation in orgasm occurrence by sexual orientation in a sample of U.S. singles. J Sex Med 2014;11:2645–2652.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12669/abstract

Honestly absolutely no one should be surprised.
Can a man and woman give each other AIDS if they only have sex with each other?
Can two men give each other AIDS if they only have sex with each other?
 
I’m very surprised, actually because many lesbian women (that I know) resort to male - designed “items” to achieve this goal of satisfaction. So, is it really just two women? Not really, not always.
Lesbians that you know talk to you about their bedroom habits?

I don’t see how sometimes using a dildo or strap on makes them less lesbian.

Women engaging in lesbian sex are much more likely to orgasm during sex and also orgasm more often during the encounter. In addition to that women in lesbian sex are also likely to enjoy substantially longer foreplay (which women often like) making sex more enjoyable even if they didn’t orgasm.

Or so I’ve heard.
 
Lesbians that you know talk to you about their bedroom habits?

I don’t see how sometimes using a dildo or strap on makes them less lesbian.

Women engaging in lesbian sex are much more likely to orgasm during sex and also orgasm more often during the encounter. In addition to that women in lesbian sex are also likely to enjoy substantially longer foreplay (which women often like) making sex more enjoyable even if they didn’t orgasm.

Or so I’ve heard.
So two women needing to use male designed objects in the bedroom are more satisfied than a man and woman? I highly doubt your “study” took that into account.

Obviously, the two women are lacking in this area and are relying on their purchased items to make up the difference. So, no naturally two women are unable to achieve that level of satisfaction. Foreplay? Doesn’t seem like the study you provided goes into much detail. You can read into it all you want to.

Wanting male parts proves they are somewhat into men, or at least their anatomy.

Lesbians talk. Even those not in relationships seem to be busy with mail order.
 
And yet their not-sex is still way better sex than women get with men.
I’m still not following you Joie – sounds like in the same statement you’re saying that a woman-woman can and can’t have sex. How do you define “sex”?
 
Can a man and woman give each other AIDS if they only have sex with each other?
Can a man who remains single and masturbates daily contract HIV?

Can two monogamous men who only have sex with each other contract HIV?
 
Can a man who remains single and masturbates daily contract HIV?
I would say no, obviously. However that doesn’t mean that a complete lack of intimacy is without problems.
Can two monogamous men who only have sex with each other contract HIV?
That is a very good question. I have read through numerous studies and this is never addressed. Oddly enough.

Do you have the answer?
 
So two women needing to use male designed objects in the bedroom are more satisfied than a man and woman? I highly doubt your “study” took that into account.

Obviously, the two women are lacking in this area and are relying on their purchased items to make up the difference. So, no naturally two women are unable to achieve that level of satisfaction. Foreplay? Doesn’t seem like the study you provided goes into much detail. You can read into it all you want to.

Wanting male parts proves they are somewhat into men, or at least their anatomy.

Lesbians talk. Even those not in relationships seem to be busy with mail order.
So just to clarify. if a man gets pegged by a woman it is gay sex and if a wolf dildo is involved it is bestiality?

This is not the place to be discussing a litany of popular sexual acts that lesbian engage in and takes more fingers to count than double fisting uses.

Really it boils down to women knowing women’s bodies better than men knowing women’s bodies, women not haing a refractory period, women caring about their partners getting off much more than men do and women not rolling over and going to sleep after getting off like men do and instead enjoy spooning afterwards which feels great.
I’m still not following you Joie – sounds like in the same statement you’re saying that a woman-woman can and can’t have sex. How do you define “sex”?
I am saying that even if you don’t consider it sex they still find it more enjoyable sex than women who engage in sex with men do.
I would say no, obviously. However that doesn’t mean that a complete lack of intimacy is without problems.

That is a very good question. I have read through numerous studies and this is never addressed. Oddly enough.

Do you have the answer?
No, because Germ Theory.
 
Devils advocate here:

Why can’t a person in two relationships be a stable situation to bring up children?

They address this a little bit in the article.
In theory, I suppose they can. In practice, it rarely happens.

I have a close friend who practices polyamory, and as a result have spent about four years now reading quite a lot on the subject, including following a couple of forums. I can tell you from a great deal of reading that I have yet to see a single situation that is truly stable for the kids. Poly relationships often end within 2-1/2 years. They rarely make it past 5. The boards are full of upheaval and drama, and of course that affects the kids.

I have seen a number of marriages break up over it, in addition to the outside relationships coming and going–and this affects children as they constantly lose adults who became important in their lives.

This girl has posted about her experiences: mommyish.com/2013/11/14/teens-and-polyamorous-parents/ I talked to her one on one some time back, and she talked a lot about her mother always being gone with the new boyfriend or girlfriend, even for holiday dinners.

I have often wondered, as I read the many posts on various blogs and forums, when do they have any time for the kids at all? I’m surprised at how often the kids are simply not mentioned. A recent one I read talked about her teenage son moving out–and her main concern was that she was losing a babysitter, and now it would be harder to date her boyfriend…but on the other hand, with his bedroom free, her husband can bring his girlfriends over to have sex after the younger kids go to bed.

Obviously being treated as the babysitter while mom and dad have sex with other people affects that boy, and hearing dad busy in the other room with other women is going to affect those younger kids (because it’s only a matter of time before one of them wakes up and hears, or better yet sees something.)

It’s easy to say that’s just a bad example, but I will stress that I’ve been watching these forums for years, and this is fairly typical. The focus, by the very nature of polyamory, is on the parents’ desire to date and romance, not on the kids.

I’ve seen a lot of pain resulting from the attempts to have ‘multiple loving relationships,’ both for the spouses and especially for those outside, ‘secondary’ people.

I’m not saying it never works, ever–but those long term stable ‘families’ are so few and far between that we absolutely should not be encouraging this experiment. Because the majority of kids growing up this way are being hurt in the search for that elusive perfect third.
 
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