North Carolina to Limit Bathroom Use by Birth Gender

[Monkey1976]

You can start reading here if you’re curious. It’s kind of on you to be informed if you want to argue about something with as much information out there as this topic.

I’ve read the literature and studies. They all speak of self-identification and subjective feelings, occasionally appealing to measurements of certain areas of the brain known to be both highly plastic in response to behavior and insufficiently dimorphic to serve as determining if the brain definitely came from a male or female person. In any case other than one’s sex, denial of all physical evidence is taken as a severe psychosis. Therefore, a “transgender” individual who claims to be a woman “trapped” in a male body, either there must be some physical evidence that has somehow been overlooked for the entire span of human history or that person is just as deluded as I would be if I claimed I identified as an Apache attack helicopter.

 

[Sarcelle]

Fake worldviews are being promoted heavily now. “Sexual minorities” exist. So what?

You don’t like your gender? Not my problem. We have “cross dressers,” “drag queens,” and those who have had surgical alterations done.

I was into the music scene in Detroit in 1979. So, I’m in a bar to photograph some punk rock bands. Then someone with nice legs and otherwise female looking, walks in. The guy sitting next to me, who I didn’t even think noticed me, said, “Hey buddy, you’re barking up the wrong tree.” I was like, “What?” He noticed me noticing this person and suggested an offensive way to check their sexual identity. I didn’t follow his advice and just forgot about the person who was surrounded by his/her crowd anyway.

And by the way, a guy wearing a see-through blouse with a bra still looks like a guy - and terrible.

North Carolina is the only thing that makes sense - not being an enabler.

Ed

Again how are they going to enforce it? Hire bouncers for each restroom entrance?

So if someone complains that a woman who is not womanly looking enough enters the ladies room. How will they handle it? “I’m sorry ma’am but you don’t look like a woman but like a man and have no right to be here.”
What if the object of complaint is really a bona fide woman? I imagine that won’t go over well.

 

[vz71]

Is it common sense though? If someone’s post op are they now supposed to go into the bathroom of their birth gender?

Well…
They can mutilate themselves all they want, but they will still be the gender they were born with.

 

[Inisfallen]

Lotta theatrics going on here. So NC is passing some sort of legislation to restrict rest room use according to sex at birth? That’s just playing to the crowd, don’t you think?

How many people here have encountered transgendered people in the rest room? Does this really come up a lot? Is there something going on in North Carolina that isn’t going on where I live? 'Cause I’ve never seen this.

Seriously, folks, this is a waste of the legislature’s time.

 

[vz71]

The 60,000 pediatricians who are members of the latter vs the 200 who are members of the former. That or the fact the latter is a nationally (and internationally) recognized peer association. The former is nothing but a fringe, or niche, advocacy group that does little or none of it’s own peer reviewed research.

Suggest reading this to understand just how irrelevant the ACP is…

patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2011/10/06/the-american-college-of-pediatricians-versus-the-american-academy-of-pediatrics-who-leads-and-who-follows/

And we all know that majority dictates reality.

 

[Memaw]

Why is that same bill limiting minimum wage?

And a person born with a vagina that has a penis added later would still need to use the woman’s bathroom according to this bill.

They did say Birth Gender!! Thank God, God Bless, Memaw

 

[edwest2]

Again how are they going to enforce it? Hire bouncers for each restroom entrance?

So if someone complains that a woman who is not womanly looking enough enters the ladies room. How will they handle it? “I’m sorry ma’am but you don’t look like a woman but like a man and have no right to be here.”
What if the object of complaint is really a bona fide woman? I imagine that won’t go over well.

North Carolina is doing the right thing. No need for bouncers. What is wrong with all this? It’s based on feelings, not thinking. A young person may feel like the opposite sex but that does not square with the facts. And getting grown-ups who should know this involved shows a lack of critical thinking skills. And it shows a desire to side with groups that want you to believe what they believe, which goes against logic and common sense. Wake up, folks. Recreating the world by special interest groups will not solve individual problems.

Gender identity? Talk to a professional and use your actual gender restroom.

Transgendered? Use your actual sex restroom.

Just because special interest groups have identified “something new for society to accept” does not make it right. Now they’re trying to get their birth certificates changed after surgery. You weren’t actually born a boy? That’s nonsense, and people should identify nonsense when they see it.

If the law gets involved then they’ve been compromised. I mean if you want to dress like a woman, you don’t need my permission, but don’t use any argument that ignores the reality that you are not. Even if I know you’re a man dressed as a woman, I’m not going to bother you. But the minute any groups start passing laws, that’s force. That’s creating the desired atmosphere: “Nothing is wrong.” Which is pervading everything, by the way. “Bad? What’s that? Nothing is bad anymore. We’re free!” No, I’m not talking about murder, rape or abuse.

And free to believe an illusion is not free. This is nothing new but the correct response is rational thought, not feelings.

Ed

 

[LittleFlower378]

Its really really sad we are having this conversation at all and even in America. Keep your Rosary in hand. How did it come to this and how can we bring back God to a lost country?

 

[Sarcelle]

North Carolina is doing the right thing. No need for bouncers. What is wrong with all this? It’s based on feelings, not thinking. A young person may feel like the opposite sex but that does not square with the facts. And getting grown-ups who should know this involved shows a lack of critical thinking skills. And it shows a desire to side with groups that want you to believe what they believe, which goes against logic and common sense. Wake up, folks. Recreating the world by special interest groups will not solve individual problems.

Gender identity? Talk to a professional and use your actual gender restroom.

Transgendered? Use your actual sex restroom.

Just because special interest groups have identified “something new for society to accept” does not make it right. Now they’re trying to get their birth certificates changed after surgery. You weren’t actually born a boy? That’s nonsense, and people should identify nonsense when they see it.

If the law gets involved then they’ve been compromised. I mean if you want to dress like a woman, you don’t need my permission, but don’t use any argument that ignores the reality that you are not. Even if I know you’re a man dressed as a woman, I’m not going to bother you. But the minute any groups start passing laws, that’s force. That’s creating the desired atmosphere: “Nothing is wrong.” Which is pervading everything, by the way. “Bad? What’s that? Nothing is bad anymore. We’re free!” No, I’m not talking about murder, rape or abuse.

And free to believe an illusion is not free. This is nothing new but the correct response is rational thought, not feelings.

Ed

Oh good grief!

:banghead:

Never did I say that sex is a feeling. It is objective fact and I agree with you that a person who wants to be the opposite sex and mutilates himself or herself via surgery does not by magic turn into the opposite sex.

I was just calling into question the practicality of enforcing this law.

Frankly there is no need for your sermon. I agree with the Church on sex and gender!

 

[HCTC]

I am ambivalent about the bathroom issue. However, I strongly believe that local government should be able to raise the minimum wage. Local governments are closely accountable to citizens and are best able to determine the appropriateness of raising the local minimum wage. I think that they have included it with the bathroom legislation in hopes that it would get less attention.

Btw, I believe that wage abuse by employers is rampant in NC - wage theft in the form of non-payment of overtime specifically. Lowly paid individuals who are the most economically vulnerable are most often the victims because they cannot risk losing their jobs by seeking redress. It is shameful that NC State government is complicit in this practice.

 

[edwest2]

Its really really sad we are having this conversation at all and even in America. Keep your Rosary in hand. How did it come to this and how can we bring back God to a lost country?

Pray. This was done gradually. We were poisoned slowly. Our trust was abused.

amazon.com/The-Marketing-Evil-Pseudo-Experts-Corruption/dp/1581824599

amazon.com/Extreme-Makeover-Transformed-Conformed-Culture/dp/1586175610

Peace,
Ed

 

[Ender]

Lotta theatrics going on here. So NC is passing some sort of legislation to restrict rest room use according to sex at birth? That’s just playing to the crowd, don’t you think?

It was a reaction to the city of Charlotte passing legislation opening public, multiple occupancy rest room facilities to men claiming to be women and vice versa.

How many people here have encountered transgendered people in the rest room? Does this really come up a lot? Is there something going on in North Carolina that isn’t going on where I live? 'Cause I’ve never seen this.

It has happened. It may not happen much yet, but bills like the one Charlotte passed are fairly new, and if the past is prelude, this stuff will only get worse. From 2012:*Washington state college has decided it will not prevent a 45-year-old man from lounging naked in a women’s locker room, in an area frequented by girls as young as six.
*The wonder to me is that people can actually oppose laws like the one NC passed.

Ender

 

[exnihilo]

Again how are they going to enforce it? Hire bouncers for each restroom entrance?

So if someone complains that a woman who is not womanly looking enough enters the ladies room. How will they handle it? “I’m sorry ma’am but you don’t look like a woman but like a man and have no right to be here.”
What if the object of complaint is really a bona fide woman? I imagine that won’t go over well.

I think you are overlooking why this law from the state legislature even exists. Charlotte passed a bathroom ordinance allowing you to choose to use whatever bathroom you felt like. The same issues you raise could be said of the Charlotte law. The state government simply stepped in to stop the nonsense of Charlotte. The state had to protect the good citizens and businesses of the state, particularly Charlotte, from the depravity of leftism. It was the same with the marriage amendment. We didn’t need a constitutional provision until the world went nuts and we had to spell out nature in the law.

 

[pete_29]

Hate? Not at all. I just think that would be the best form of counter protest ever. A group of sexy transwoman and even drag queens should go to conservative venues and follow men into the restrooms while staring down or winking at the men’s female partners. A few high profile reports of that happening and these silly bathroom bills won’t be a problem anymore.

Sometimes, it’s better to give people what they want than it is to shout. Apparently what people want is gruff looking transmen following young women into restrooms and sexy transwomen watching men pee.

So, hoping for people to feel uncomfortable because they don’t agree with your point of view isn’t hate? I’m glad I don’t live in your world.

 

[mikekle]

What department store is going to hire gender police?

I know this is being said sarcastically, but you never know how far things will go!

 

[edwest2]

Gives a nice overview of how the mental illness manifests itself but that does not translate into society having to accommodate their delusions

That’s what we have to remember every time this comes up.

Ed

 

[estesbob]

Hate? Not at all. I just think that would be the best form of counter protest ever. A group of sexy transwoman and even drag queens should go to conservative venues and follow men into the restrooms while staring down or winking at the men’s female partners. A few high profile reports of that happening and these silly bathroom bills won’t be a problem anymore.

Sometimes, it’s better to give people what they want than it is to shout. Apparently what people want is gruff looking transmen following young women into restrooms and sexy transwomen watching men pee.

I an waiting for a high school football to declare they identify as female and demand to shower with the womans volleyball team

 

[Ender]

I an waiting for a high school football to declare they identify as female and demand to shower with the womans volleyball team

California already allows boys to play on girl’s teams if the “identify” themselves as girls. And let’s not forget that every NC Senate Democrat walked out of the Senate chambers rather than even discuss the bill. I think that at best we should consider this successful only as a rear-guard action, and not as a sign of things to come.

Ender

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Lotta theatrics going on here. So NC is passing some sort of legislation to restrict rest room use according to sex at birth? That’s just playing to the crowd, don’t you think?

How many people here have encountered transgendered people in the rest room? Does this really come up a lot? Is there something going on in North Carolina that isn’t going on where I live? 'Cause I’ve never seen this.

Seriously, folks, this is a waste of the legislature’s time.

Well that’s the amusing part about all of this. You could have encountered a transgendered person without ever even knowing it. This tweet sums up the situation now that this transphobic law has passed:

@PatMcCroryNC It’s now the law for me to share a restroom with your wife. #HB2 #trans #NorthCarolina #shameonNC
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[Miss_Felicity]

So, hoping for people to feel uncomfortable because they don’t agree with your point of view isn’t hate? I’m glad I don’t live in your world.

They won’t feel any more uncomfortable than the people who have transitioned (and are passable) who are expected to go in a restroom that doesn’t fit their gender expression.