Notre-Dame cathedral Paris is on fire

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Actually, a lot of churches and other monumental buildings are not insured. Nothing really unusual about Notre Dame.
 
So is nobody going to ask how they ruled out arson within hours of the fire?
Seems a little fishy
 
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No, your post was an example of triumphalism. It eases my struggle and confirms my exit. Which I don’t care for so I discourage it.
If you’re leaving Jesus behind because you don’t like another human person’s attitude, that truly is sad.
You may get a small “ease” from feeling superior to the guy whose attitude you don’t like right this minute, but it will pale in comparison to what you’re giving up.

I will pray for you and hope you find your way home.
 
First of all I say this all with charity and love, not with hatred in my heart. I don’t see the triumphalism that you two are referring too. I’ve seen and witnessed plenty of Catholics concerned over both the churches in the Southern part of the US (sorry the state it happened in slips my mind at this moment) and the the churches in Syria, Iraq and in Africa that are being destroyed and desecrated along with the Priest and other clergy being killed and abducted. These churches are Catholic, Eastern Rite Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant.
I’ve seen threads on this forum about it in the past with plenty of members here showing concern. I’ve also seen programs on EWTN about it with guest Priest from both Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches.

The Knights of Columbus have been raising a LOT of money to rebuild these Christian communities. The Holy Father has offered Mass for the martyrs and their was even the fountain (I forgot the name) that the water dyed red to represent the blood of those martyrs.
Yes, I agree. I hear on a fairly regular basis about the issues that Christians (as well as others who just happen to live there) are having in the war zones of Syria and in Iraq. I’ve seen prayer cards about it at church, I’ve participated in a fundraiser for Christians in that area. With respect to churches in the southern part of US, we generally hear about that on the news. I have not seen any Gofundmes for them until the last couple days, and I suspect that’s largely due to the luck of the draw in what Facebook, my primary social media (I don’t use Twitter, don’t have time), chooses to put into my feed. I mostly get fundraisers for stuff around my local area and for animal-related charities.

It’s pretty obvious that the interest in the Cathedral rebuilding is coming primarily from those who are interested in it as a French national symbol, as a tourist draw and as an architectural and historical masterwork. As I posted a couple days ago, I had dozens of friends post about how sad they were over the Cathedral. Some of those friends are active atheists, some are non-Christians, some are anti-Catholic, many of them have never expressed any sort of religion at all but they went to Paris once and stood in front of the building. The number of Catholics I saw posting about it I could count on one hand. This is not a Catholic Church issue although naturally we all would hope that a silver lining of conversion and reversion comes out of it.

Unfortunately whenever people see large sums of money going somewhere, it truly brings out the beast in them. Money is the root of all evil.

There are also a subgroup of people who just hate the Catholic Church out of either ignorance or their own personal hangups or both. And they all come out to snipe too.

Naysayers can be ignored because as I have said before, the French government and French people had their minds made up to rebuild even before the fire was fully out. Those people who have a problem with it are free to “vote with their dollars” and not give money, but otherwise they don’t get a say.
 
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Investigators Trace Cause Of Notre Dame Fire To Cathedral’s Outdated 12th-Century Electrical System

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PARIS—Saying the devastation could perhaps have been avoided with some routine upgrades to modern 200-amp service, investigators announced Wednesday they have traced the cause of the Notre Dame fire to the cathedral’s archaic electrical system, which dates back to the 12th century. “In our examination of the wreckage, we discovered that some of the circuit breakers and sockets hadn’t been updated since the reign of Louis XII,” said lead investigator Jean-Luc Marchand, explaining that many of the fuses from the time of the cathedral’s construction were made of solid oak, while much of the wiring consisted of twisted cords of straw. “The light bulbs we found were so incredibly antiquated that their filaments were made of wool strips dipped in kerosene or whale oil. To make matters worse, Notre Dame’s entire electrical system was hooked into the power company’s transformer on the pole outside with a single strand of hemp twine. It’s a miracle the damage wasn’t worse.” Marchand went on to add that the fire likely started due to a malfunction from one of the rectory’s 14th-century wicker space heaters.
 
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Investigators Trace Cause Of Notre Dame Fire To Cathedral’s Outdated 12th-Century Electrical System

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PARIS—Saying the devastation could perhaps have been avoided with some routine upgrades to modern 200-amp service, investigators announced Wednesday they have traced the cause of the Notre Dame fire to the cathedral’s archaic electrical system, which dates back to the 12th century. “In our examination of the wreckage, we discovered that some of the circuit breakers and sockets hadn’t been updated since the reign of Louis XII,” said lead investigator Jean-Luc Marchand, explaining that many of the fuses from the time of the cathedral’s construction were made of solid oak, while much of the wiring consisted of twisted cords of straw. “The light bulbs we found were so incredibly antiquated that their filaments were made of wool strips dipped in kerosene or whale oil. To make matters worse, Notre Dame’s entire electrical system was hooked into the power company’s transformer on the pole outside with a single strand of hemp twine. It’s a miracle the damage wasn’t worse.” Marchand went on to add that the fire likely started due to a malfunction from one of the rectory’s 14th-century wicker space heaters.
well done…
 
From The Onion.

I originally saw it posted on a woodworking forum, and they took it down because they were worried people might actually believe it and spread it.
 
I’m tempted to put it on FB----but I know people who would think it’s real.
 
12th Century electrical system, Haha. I guess Tesla and Edison stole their ideas and Benjamin Franklin really didn’t discover electricity. I just spit my drink out everywhere, haha.
 
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If you’re leaving Jesus behind because you don’t like another human person’s attitude, that truly is sad.
No, basically I don’t believe in god or that Jesus is god. This is something I’ve been struggling with for years. I’m not sharing my de-conversion process at this time.
You may get a small “ease” from feeling superior to the guy whose attitude you don’t like right this minute, but it will pale in comparison to what you’re giving up.
I realized the only thing I’m giving up is a tribe. I’ve not fit into this particular tribe, no matter how hard I tried, for a long time so I’m not losing much. And all the time and money spent on books. Yikes.
I will pray for you and hope you find your way home.
Please don’t. Prayers are too much like hexes to me. “I want you to think and believe the same things I do.” No. Thank you.
 
There is nothing I can really say to all this other than it is very sad. But a good reminder of why we do what we do.

I would suggest if you are going to be very negative about Catholicism, this forum may not be the best place to do it though. I will not flag your post, but “prayers are like hexes” to me is very disrespectful and flaggable, and comparisons to a “tribe” are borderline. These are technically TOS violations.

God bless.
 
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Please don’t. Prayers are too much like hexes to me. “I want you to think and believe the same things I do.” No. Thank you.
That is not what prayer is. Praying for you would be that you find truth and my God’s will be done. It wouldn’t be about what we want for you, it’s about what God wants for you.

If you don’t mind me asking, why are you on this forum?
 
Of course God doesn’t “do our bidding”. God’s will is his own. When I pray the Our Father, it’s THY will be done, as in God’s will, not MY will be done, as in my own.

God is right there though, no matter how much you try to wish him away. He loves you.

By the way, when I try to be honest and say I’m flagging or not flagging, people flag ME and complain about it and make unfounded “dog whistle” remarks. When we flag without saying anything, people complain about stealth flagging. We can’t win on here.
 
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