Notre-Dame cathedral Paris is on fire

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The YouTube paranoiacs are out in full force. One of them claims to know the “What you weren’t told” about the fire. Right.

We have our own imaginations - we don’t need to hear about theirs.
 
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Yup, I watch a ton of YouTube. Don’t currently have cable or satellite, on a tight budget. I noticed the videos, I just skip over them, because i know it would probably get my boiling. Lol
 
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But we know this, yes?
“And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”
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From the “chem-trails” nut jobs to the “black helicopter” conspiracy theorists and now to the Notre Dame alarmists, there are some serious pathological processes at work. Can only say a prayer for them.
 
Haven’t seen anything like that; just people disappointed that a church catches on fire, likely by accident, gets a pledge for repairs from a billionaire within in hours and yet 3 historically churches destroyed by arson by a white supremacist and :crickets:
That a few people decided to make sure those churches weren’t forgotten and could be rebuilt as well is a very good thing. No politics.

I just checked and the GoFundMe for those churches reached its goal.

Carry on.
 
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Point is, two completely separate events, which some are trying to connect.
 
They are separate events but how can you ignore the similarities. It’s good that some people were inspired by the attention given to Notre-Dame to help people and communities unknown to them to rebuild and heal after an act of hate.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
It’s good that some people were inspired by the attention given to Notre-Dame to help people and communities unknown to them to rebuild and heal after an act of hate.
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Yes that is good. It shows how powerful the influence of Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church is. Hopefully some will convert to His Holy Church, including Native and African Americans.
 
I don’t think that’s it, the power and influence, I mean. I gotta say, the triumphalism is off-putting.

I’m leaving Catholicism behind but I don’t want to be hateful toward those who believe in God so I did make a small donation to those churches destroyed by arson. I don’t think my decision had anything to do with Catholicism or God. I’d be surprised if you disagree.
 
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I’m leaving Catholicism behind
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Sad.
Since I only have so much time and energy I’ll focus my concern on the scores of Catholic churches that have been desecrated throughout Western Europe.
And the Roman Catholic Church is Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Not “triumphalism.” Fact. 30,000+ Protestant denominations can deny it all they want.
 
No, your post was an example of triumphalism. It eases my struggle and confirms my exit. Which I don’t care for so I discourage it.
 
You mean the Catholic Church of which the Roman Catholic Church is part of. I’m sure this was accidental, but do be more considerate of Easterners.

While Notre Dame is a veritable tragedy, others are right in saying the attention it is being given doesn’t match the attention given to other churches. Scores of churches far more ancient than Notre Dame get burned every day in Syria and Iraq, Christians exiled and persecuted, yet we never hear so much as a whimper from the West except when it’s the Western Church that’s hurt.
 
Sorry, didn’t intend to exclude the Eastern Catholic churches in communion with Rome.
It gets confusing when there are churches that call themselves “Catholic” but have priestesses" and " bishopesses," celebrate same sex “marriage” and condone abortion. I realize the Eastern Catholic churches are none of that, and are probably much less “progressive” than many western Catholics.
 
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Sorry, you don’t get to pin your rejection of the Catholic Church and her teachings on me.
Nor can anyone’s rejection of Church teachings be blamed on the Church.
 
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I didn’t. But I’ve long suspected that triumphalism and similar were repellant to those searching or struggling. I was right. It took more thought and effort to practice a more winsome witness, one that I strived for. You never know who’s lurking.
 
I get what you mean. I know several Druze people who were considering conversion to Maronite Catholicism but were several times put off by the (unacceptable) triumphalist attitudes of Maronite politicians here in my country. People, especially those going through spiritual turmoil as ones discerning a new faith, don’t like hearing attacks on their birth faith as they still have “one foot here, one foot there.”
 
The French government is officially directing those wishing to donate funds for the reconstruction of Notre-Dame to these four organizations.
  1. Centre de Monuments Nationaux (government agency; French and English): https://don.rebatirnotredamedeparis.fr/1/~my-donation?_cv=1
  2. Fondation Notre-Dame (Fondation Avenir du Patrimoine à Paris; organization of the Archdiocese of Paris; French): Cathédrale Notre Dame FR
  3. Fondation de Patrimoine (private organization; French and English): Sauvons notre patrimoine !
  4. Fondation de France (agency established by the French government but operating independently of it; French and English): Make a donation to the Fondation de France
These four entities are working directly with the state to collect and allocate funds to the restoration work.

If you click on link 1, 3 or 4 and the page appears in French, you can change the language to English by clicking on “English” or “EN” at the top of the screen. Unfortunately, at time of posting the Archdiocese’s own foundation only offers the donation form in French but it can be used by those outside of France as well (if you don’t understand French, Google Translate is your friend!)
 
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@Salibi

First of all I say this all with charity and love, not with hatred in my heart. I don’t see the triumphalism that you two are referring too. I’ve seen and witnessed plenty of Catholics concerned over both the churches in the Southern part of the US (sorry the state it happened in slips my mind at this moment) and the the churches in Syria, Iraq and in Africa that are being destroyed and desecrated along with the Priest and other clergy being killed and abducted. These churches are Catholic, Eastern Rite Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant.
I’ve seen threads on this forum about it in the past with plenty of members here showing concern. I’ve also seen programs on EWTN about it with guest Priest from both Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches.

The Knights of Columbus have been raising a LOT of money to rebuild these Christian communities. The Holy Father has offered Mass for the martyrs and their was even the fountain (I forgot the name) that the water dyed red to represent the blood of those martyrs.

I really think at this moment we should be supporting the rebuilding of the Cathedral because, while not the oldest-sure, it is an important place in Christianity. We should be supporting the Parishioners in that diocese and the French, this has been horrific for them. We should also not forget the Christians in the middle east, Africa and China. We should also not forget the Christians of the 3 churches that burned in the South. I believe because we are talking about and raising money for the Cathedral doesn’t equate to us forgetting about these other churches.

While thankfully not on here, I’ve seen plenty of places on social media, especially on YouTube, that are putting a negative spin on this all. Either trying to say it isn’t what they say it is and how we are ignoring the other churches, as other members here have said.

God bless you both, you two are in my heart and prayers. Bruised_Reed, I am sad that you are leaving and you feel the way you do that the Catholic Church or it’s faithful are demonstrating triumphalism.
 
UpUpAndAway said:
The French government is officially directing those wishing to donate funds for the reconstruction of Notre-Dame to these four organizations.
  1. Centre de Monuments Nationaux (government agency; French and English): https://don.rebatirnotredamedeparis.fr/1/~my-donation?_cv=1
  2. Fondation Notre-Dame (Fondation Avenir du Patrimoine à Paris; organization of the Archdiocese of Paris; French): Cathédrale Notre Dame FR
  3. Fondation de Patrimoine (private organization; French and English): Sauvons notre patrimoine !
  4. Fondation de France (agency established by the French government but operating independently of it; French and English): Make a donation to the Fondation de France
These four entities are working directly with the state to collect and allocate funds to the restoration work.

If you click on link 1, 3 or 4 and the page appears in French, you can change the language to English by clicking on “English” or “EN” at the top of the screen. Unfortunately, at time of posting the Archdiocese’s own foundation only offers the donation form in French but it can be used by those outside of France as well (if you don’t understand French, Google Translate is your friend!)
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Wasn’t it insured…?
 
I don’t know. :woman_shrugging:t2: I am only passing on information given to me that others may not have easy access to (I live in France and speak French) but could find useful.
 
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