Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[mystagogia]

People forget that the framers designed a constitution that allows amendments which 3/4 of the states can ratify without Congress. Many have suggested that the phrasing and language of the entire Constitution is obsolete and they have a point. The meanings of English words change all the time.

I beg to differ. Those who argue that the Constitution is obsolete and doesn’t exist, by definition, argue that the United States is an invalid entity. If you destroy the Constitution, you destroy the hallowed “social contract” that is the basis for the federal government.

Woodrow Wilson articulated the progressive conception of the US Constitution as a “living document” that must be continually re-interpreted with the times. As Catholics we face that same progressive onslaught every day with regard to the war on the Magisterium, the effort to update our doctrines to be more in step with the times.

But the same problem exists. When we erode the foundation of the Church, we subvert Catholicism. Just as when we erode the foundation of American governance, we subvert the very cause. It’s a neat trick progressives play, hoping to erect their own dear frameworks in the ensuing vacuum. But that’s a dangerous game. Rather like a virus that kills the host.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I beg to differ. Those who argue that the Constitution is obsolete and doesn’t exist, by definition, argue that the United States is an invalid entity. If you destroy the Constitution, you destroy the hallowed “social contract” that is the basis for the federal government.

Woodrow Wilson articulated the progressive conception of the US Constitution as a “living document” that must be continually re-interpreted with the times. As Catholics we face that same progressive onslaught every day with regard to the war on the Magisterium, the effort to update our doctrines to be more in step with the times.

But the same problem exists. When we erode the foundation of the Church, we subvert Catholicism. Just as when we erode the foundation of American governance, we subvert the very cause. It’s a neat trick progressives play, hoping to erect their own dear frameworks in the ensuing vacuum. But that’s a dangerous game. Rather like a virus that kills the host.

How can I be bound to a contract that I had no part in negotiating?

 

[wondrousgnat]

I live in an unincorprated area. We have no police. And right next to the town of Winfield which wants to eliminate its police force. Other towns near me are reducing their police forces. Now we are supposed to hire more. Our tax dollars cannot support them. I have an idea: if the NRA thinks the schools should have armed guards then they should put their money where their mouth is and pay for the guards themselves.

 

[ValPal]

FWIW, the NRA is a private organization that simply made a suggestion. They are not obligated to put an officer in every school. However, their suggestion is far more useful that passing more useless, unenforceable legislation that puts innocents at greater risk.

 

[JonNC]

FWIW, the NRA is a private organization that simply made a suggestion. They are not obligated to put an officer in every school. However, their suggestion is far more useful that passing more useless, unenforceable legislation that puts innocents at greater risk.

And curiously, it is essentially the same suggestion President Clinton made during his term in office.

My problem with the suggestion is there is no constitutional basis for the** federal **government to do it.

Jon

 

[colmywaykurtz]

And curiously, it is essentially the same suggestion President Clinton made during his term in office.

My problem with the suggestion is there is no constitutional basis for the** federal **government to do it.

Jon

If someone cobbled together some justification for the federal government to do so, wouldn’t the funding of necessity have to come from federal sources?

And if that were the case, wouldn’t the power of the pursestrings give the federal government control over those law enforcement officers?

One has to wonder, too, how many other hats these officers would be unofficially wearing. Spy, propagandist, provocateur?

 

[JonNC]

If someone cobbled together some justification for the federal government to do so, wouldn’t the funding of necessity have to come from federal sources?

And if that were the case, wouldn’t the power of the pursestrings give the federal government control over those law enforcement officers?

One has to wonder, too, how many other hats these officers would be unofficially wearing. Spy, propagandist, provocateur?

Well, the propagandists in our public schools are already found in the Dept. of Education.

Jon

 

[jediliz]

what would happen if it were a madman with a bomb? Does the NRA consider that?

I’d rather have an unemployed veteran be employed at the school.

 

[JonNC]

what would happen if it were a madman with a bomb? Does the NRA consider that?

I’d rather have an unemployed veteran be employed at the school.

Well, that’s the scenario at the largest elementary school mass killing. Otherwise, I’m not sure what you mean by “does the NRA consider that”.

I actually think the unemployed vet idea has merit, and local school districts and states could consider that. Then again, there is also often vets employed as teachers in schools (I recall a program once called “Troops to Teachers”).

Jon

 

[TEPO]

what would happen if it were a madman with a bomb? Does the NRA consider that?

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In light of the post 911 era, maybe each school should be required a homeland security official as well. Wire taps and parent interviews every so often would reduce the likelihood of terror attacks from every angle.

 

[_Abyssinia]

The NRA plan is so stupid that 1/3rd of all public schools already use it

Via New York Times

:

. . . .] Nationwide, at least 23,000 schools — about one-third of all public schools — already had armed security on staff as of the most recent data, for the 2009-10 school year, and a number of states and districts that do not use them have begun discussing the idea in recent days. . . .

Plus the NRA plan was much more comprehensive than just armed guards. Everything about school security needs to be revised and that’s what the NRA proposed, not simply “more guns” as the libs would have you believe. — Greg Pollowitz
nationalreview.com/the-feed/336372/nra-plan-so-stupid-13rd-all-public-schools-already-use-it

 

[TimeEntrance]

At UW-Milwaukee the campus police (technically, offiocial police, but only assigned to the UWM campus and area) are armed with pistols.

My apartment building and one or more across the street, are patrolled by private, uniformed, security guards openly armed with semi-automatic pistols and wearing bullet resistant vests (conversing with 2 of them I found out both have been shot and stabbed over the course of their security career).

My apartment building and the ones across the street also have some little kids living in them.

Really, I don’t see the problem with armed police or guards in school. Children already see them (armed) in the world outside the school buildings.

 

[meltzerboy]

At UW-Milwaukee the campus police (technically, offiocial police, but only assigned to the UWM campus and area) are armed with pistols.

My apartment building and one or more across the street, are patrolled by private, uniformed, security guards openly armed with semi-automatic pistols and wearing bullet resistant vests (conversing with 2 of them I found out both have been shot and stabbed over the course of their security career).

My apartment building and the ones across the street also have some little kids living in them.

Really, I don’t see the problem with armed police or guards in school. Children already see them (armed) in the world outside the school buildings.

Maybe that’s part of the problem: the fact that children already see armed police in the world outside of school. Do we want children to be exposed to guns everywhere? I suppose they can adapt and this is symptomatic of the larger culture of death, violence, aggression, and greed so maybe that is in fact the kind of society we have become forced to live in.

 

[wondrousgnat]

When the time comes, and it just may happen, should we have armed guards at every mass?

 

[jediliz]

In light of the post 911 era, maybe each school should be required a homeland security official as well. Wire taps and parent interviews every so often would reduce the likelihood of terror attacks from every angle.

I was reading about Columbine…the two that did that, they made pipe bombs, designed to be a distraction. That’s what I mean.

I am sure you were being sarcastic!

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I live in an unincorprated area. We have no police. And right next to the town of Winfield which wants to eliminate its police force. Other towns near me are reducing their police forces. Now we are supposed to hire more. Our tax dollars cannot support them. I have an idea: if the NRA thinks the schools should have armed guards then they should put their money where their mouth is and pay for the guards themselves.

Maybe the alternative is to get rid of these pointless gun control measures and let teachers arm themselves. They do it in Texas and when was the last time you heard of a school shooting down there? You don’t. Violent offenders go where they know people cannot defend themselves, like schools, movie theaters, grocery stores, etc…

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

When the time comes, and it just may happen, should we have armed guards at every mass?

Let people just arm and defend themselves. It isn’t complicated.

 

[meltzerboy]

Maybe the alternative is to get rid of these pointless gun control measures and let teachers arm themselves. They do it in Texas and when was the last time you heard of a school shooting down there? You don’t. Violent offenders go where they know people cannot defend themselves, like schools, movie theaters, grocery stores, etc…

Next to Louisiana, doesn’t Texas have the highest crime rate in the US? And isn’t Texas #1 in state executions of people on death row?

 

[meltzerboy]

Let people just arm and defend themselves. It isn’t complicated.

Arm and defend themselves at Mass?

 

[kimmielittle]

Arm and defend themselves at Mass?

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