Obama ‘Abruptly’ Walks Out of Debt Talks

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I think its sad that lower-middle class income people NEED an accountant who specializes in taxes just to figure the tax code out. Not to avoid paying their fair share of taxes, but to make sure they pay enough or the IRS comes knocking on the door.
I agree.

Even sadder, if you are a young entrepreneur and starting out you’ll find yourself afoul of the IRS in a matter of months if you don’t have professional legal and accounting advice to keep you from breaking the law.

Nothing like encouraging people to take risks and expand the economy like rewarding them with jail sentence for their efforts.
 
I think its sad that lower-middle class income people NEED an accountant who specializes in taxes just to figure the tax code out. Not to avoid paying their fair share of taxes, but to make sure they pay enough or the IRS comes knocking on the door.
What is really sad is the number of people who go tax prep factories like H&R Block and pay exorbiant fees and interest rates to get their refund immediately instead of wating a few weeks.
 
Carlan, I remember when we first encountered each other. And I wasn’t sure if honey or vinegar was in your cup of tea. 🙂 And I know we are yet to always agree on a few specific faith belief details. But I must tip my :tiphat: to you here. Sometimes for someone like me it appears** when looking for what the Catholic answers are to these issues, the answer here is conservative Republican politics.** So it is truly refreshing and reassuring for me to see you, a devout and faithful Catholic, painting an entirely diffferent portrait. And I thank you for that. God bless you always Carlan. Peace be with you.
:blush:You are very kind Matt.
Yes, political opinions can become hateful and divisive, and for the most part I stay away from CA in this area because of what you mentioned here…it seems never to result in any peace. Just like the very serious current debate going on ,at the moment, in government. We pray! Take care, and God bless:curtsey: Carlan
 
“Progressive” Catholics can identify as Catholics? In any case Bob, I can’t speak for all “Progressive” Catholics but lets say even if some might believe it is immoral. That in no way is saying though they believe voting for candidates who support social programs and favor raising taxes on merely the top few percent of incomes **“fulfills” **their obligations as you said. You don’t think some of these people also give to the Church and in other ways in order to more fully fulfill? I do.
You need only read the threads in CAF, read the mainstream press or listen the Democrat politicians to know the far-reaching attitude among left that government is responsible for charity and voting for higher taxes is patriotic and moral, opposing them is immoral. . I’m sorry that is a political philosophy that you have chosen to embrace but trying to run away the implications of your philosophy simply does not work.
 
I think its sad that lower-middle class income people NEED an accountant who specializes in taxes just to figure the tax code out. Not to avoid paying their fair share of taxes, but to make sure they pay enough or the IRS comes knocking on the door.
Have you ever seen Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo?
 
Yes, regardless of what he or she is trying to do. Means don’t justify the ends, at least in the eyes of a christian.
Wow. I sincerely hope you aren’t a police officer or have children, as you would risk their physical, psychological and emotional well being over some code of conduct that is neither Godly nor sensible.
 
I heard Obama say, “Don’t call my bluff”. Is he for real?

His administration is just a bunch of Marxist sophomores with NO IDEA of what it takes to run the government … unless they are wrecking things on purpose in the Zimbawbe model: … trash the economy, get bureaucratic control over everything, and run things the way you want to … you like trains? Let’s get MagLev trains to replace airplanes. You like solar? Let’s get solar to replace coal and oil and natural gas.

Back on the economic destruction and taxes: sometimes it’s not even just paying the taxes, sometimes it’s that you have to fill out the right forms.

IF you even know what the forms are.

All part of creating a bureaucratic nightmare … like the midnight knock on the door … a la Arthur Koessler.

This past year, 2010, the IRS didn’t even mail out the “normal” forms. You had to go call them and tell them what forms you think you needed.

If I formed a business, I wouldn’t hire people at all. Too dangerous. If I needed specific help, I would work through a temp agency and through a payroll service such as ADP … which is owned by Frank Lautenberg and his brother. You know Frank, right? Senator from New Jersey?
 
I heard Obama say, “Don’t call my bluff”. Is he for real?

His administration is just a bunch of Marxist sophomores with NO IDEA of what it takes to run the government … unless they are wrecking things on purpose in the Zimbawbe model: … trash the economy, get bureaucratic control over everything, and run things the way you want to … you like trains? Let’s get MagLev trains to replace airplanes. You like solar? Let’s get solar to replace coal and oil and natural gas.

Back on the economic destruction and taxes: sometimes it’s not even just paying the taxes, sometimes it’s that you have to fill out the right forms.

IF you even know what the forms are.

All part of creating a bureaucratic nightmare … like the midnight knock on the door … a la Arthur Koessler.

This past year, 2010, the IRS didn’t even mail out the “normal” forms. You had to go call them and tell them what forms you think you needed.

If I formed a business, I wouldn’t hire people at all. Too dangerous. If I needed specific help, I would work through a temp agency and through a payroll service such as ADP … which is owned by Frank Lautenberg and his brother. You know Frank, right? Senator from New Jersey?
Regardless of what the fawning press would lead you believe Obama has offered no plan. The Democrats have not even issued a budget for close to three years. . The Republicans, on the other hand, passed the budget in the house with $6 trillion in cuts over the next 10 years and have put a detailed $2 trillion cut on the table as part of the debt limit negotiations. Obama claims he has a plan that includes cuts and tax increases that will save $4.2 trillion but refuses to give the details , but again the fawning press reports this as intransigence on the Republicans part for not accepting Obama’s deal because it has tax increases, totally ignoring the fact that Obama has offered no details
 
Regardless of what the fawning press would lead you believe Obama has offered no plan. The Democrats have not even issued a budget for close to three years. . The Republicans, on the other hand, passed the budget in the house with $6 trillion in cuts over the next 10 years and have put a detailed $2 trillion cut on the table as part of the debt limit negotiations. Obama claims he has a plan that includes cuts and tax increases that will save $4.2 trillion but refuses to give the details , but again the fawning press reports this as intransigence on the Republicans part for not accepting Obama’s deal because it has tax increases, totally ignoring the fact that Obama has offered no details
Fawning press, well depending on opinions, I say,would be the way you look at that one.

The debt,I would think it would not be an easily solution seeing the debt of two wars still unsolved and going on.
Yes, well the oposition isn’t sitting there yet are they? lets wait until they are and then come to a conclusion.🤷
Peace, Carlan
 
Fawning press, well depending on opinions, I say,would be the way you look at that one.

The debt,I would think it would not be an easily solution seeing the debt of two wars still unsolved and going on.
Yes, well the oposition isn’t sitting there yet are they? lets wait until they are and then come to a conclusion.🤷
Peace, Carlan
It’s actually three wars. One Obama started, and another he claimed he would end within 18 months of becoming president. The third is the one he said we should be fighting all along. Don’t worry, a fourth may soon start with nuclear armed Pakistan.
 
It’s actually three wars. One Obama started, and another he claimed he would end within 18 months of becoming president.
He might have missed the mark a bit but supposedly combat troops are now out of Iraq.
 
He might have missed the mark a bit but supposedly combat troops are now out of Iraq.
A bit? He was aiming for a target and shot his own foot…

Has there been any issue he has actually hit the target? There aren’t any that I can think of…could be a sign of “failed leadership.”
 
He might have missed the mark a bit but supposedly combat troops are now out of Iraq.
He announced earlier this month that he is going to leave at least 10,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely. Hopefully were not going to be get into a semantics game as what constitutes “combat” troops and what does not. . No matter how you want to parse it he did not meet his promises to pull troops out of Iraq within 18 months, to close Gitmo and to not get the the Untied States involved in any more combat actions. . He has, however,kept promise to keep funding the culture of death. .
 
Has there been any issue he has actually hit the target? There aren’t any that I can think of…could be a sign of “failed leadership.”
He did manage to reinstitute United States funding of overseas abortions and successfully blocked Congress’s attempt to cut funding for Planned Parenthood.
 
He might have missed the mark a bit but supposedly combat troops are now out of Iraq.
My nephew will be suprised to learn he’s not a member of a “combat troop”. For some reason he’s getting combat pay.
 
It’s actually three wars. One Obama started, and another he claimed he would end within 18 months of becoming president. The third is the one he said we should be fighting all along. Don’t worry, a fourth may soon start with nuclear armed Pakistan.
:hmmm:Many who have lived through, and lost our loved loved ones in the many wars in the past 100 years , recommend getting on the knees and praying.
Peace,Carlan
 
My nephew will be suprised to learn he’s not a member of a “combat troop”. For some reason he’s getting combat pay.
Well, CMatt25 did say “supposedly,” so perhaps he knew that Obama missed the mark on that one too…
 
He announced earlier this month that he is going to leave at least 10,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely. Hopefully were not going to be get into a semantics game as what constitutes “combat” troops and what does not. . No matter how you want to parse it he did not meet his promises to pull troops out of Iraq within 18 months, to close Gitmo and to not get the the Untied States involved in any more combat actions. . He has, however,kept promise to keep funding the culture of death. .
Typical liberal tactic. We’ve heard the one about the definition of what “is” is and most recently that we are not fighting in Lybia.

Semantics, a liberal game.😉
 
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XBox 360’s are important as well. All poor people should have some sort of entertainment to come home to after standing in line all day trying to apply for assistance for their energy bill.

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I now am persuaded that there is lot of covert racism against Obama in this country and such people cannot stand the fact that a minority is president of the U.S. Don’t you ‘spiritual’ people ever pray for the president? “Every word that a man speaks, he shall give account of in the day of judgment, by your words you will be condemned and by your words you shall be justified.” I hope those who post on these boards can be a bettter example of their Catholic Christian faith.
 
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