Obama 50%, Palin 33%

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irishpatrick said:
If Palin got into the race, and if she won the nomination, then Obama will be re-elected. Palin quit her office in Alaska, and while many people like her personally and like her views, they do not want a quitter in the White House.

I really hope she stays out of this race.
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IMO we do not even need to discuss this topic. Palin is not going to get the nomination. I like her values, but I don’t think she would make a good president. But, again, she is not going to get the nomination.
 
mary_bobo said:
IMO we do not even need to discuss this topic. Palin is not going to get the nomination. I like her values, but I don’t think she would make a good president. But, again, she is not going to get the nomination.
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  Unlike Obama, Sarah Palin has been a successful executive at every level. What would make you think that she would *not* make an excellent President as well? Her record is head and shoulders above all her prospective competitors for the nomination. Man, I would love anyone who has read Going Rogue explain to me why she isn't EXACTLY what America needs right now. She has a servant's heart and the competence of a corporate CEO. 
  I believe that Sarah Palin has an outstanding chance not only to win the nomination, but the Presidency as well. Watch her speeches for the nomination in '08 and in Wisconsin earlier this year. She has **it**, the charisma and clarity that can't be taught! :D Blessings, Rob
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Yes, and the good universities charge prices that are so prohibitively expensive that either one needs to be already wealthy to go or willing to go into debt to the tune of a quarter million dollars for a baccalaureate degree. Still, one does not need these facilities to acquire focused education. For example, one can purchase a Rosetta Stone language program for roughly $500 (less than the cost of one course at a community college) and be conversationally fluent in a language in less than 6 months. The same education at a community college would take 3 progressively advanced “courses” at a college at $500-$600 apiece plus $100 in books and materials. Self-paced home education: $500, college education: almost $2,000…
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I’m certainly not going to argue that education shouldn’t be made much more affordable, nor would I contend that the textbook publishers and college bookstores are extortionists. But there’s a reason why they can get away with being extortionists (and being rabid capitalists in general :D). They know, and prospective students know, what the data indicates. People with with college education make on average substantially more money than those who don’t. There are exceptions, no doubt, and many of them. But averages are averages. And if the willingness to educate oneself were particularly common, then most middle class parents wouldn’t be badgering their kids into going to college, knowing that if they didn’tg go to college, they’d probably fritter away their time playing videogames and whatnot.
And regarding your comment “the best jobs require a degree” is false. Many of them only require some sort of professional certification. I am a Master Scheduler/EVM Analyst with a PMP Certification and make well over $100k a year. I am being considered as a project manager for one of our proposed bid for work, which will come with a promotion, raise and possibly a bonus. I do not have a degree. Many of the people I work with have professional certifications, not degrees. They either have Microsoft Systems Certified Engineering certifications, Cisco certificates, Java certificates, or .Net certificates
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In the sciences at least, access to the best equipment, labs, etc., as well as access to the professors who are experts in their fields, are what one pays for. And learning languages is a good analogy. One can’t learsn so many things from Rosetta stone. Idioms, dialects, specialized languages, and in general, the way the language is spoken in practice, not just in theory. And there are other perks as well. At my university as part of a German class I got a month-long trip to Munich largely paid for by a foundation for German studies foundation. That sort of immersion opportunity and experience would be much more expensive without the network of foundations, donors, (and access to government subsidies) and would be much less educational without a professor for a leader, who happened to be a native German who was raised in Munich and knows all there is to know about the city.

Again, I find it ironic that I am saying this, myself being something of a bibliophile, but one can’t learn everything from books.
 
Raskolnikov said:
I’m certainly not going to argue that education shouldn’t be made much more affordable, nor would I contend that the textbook publishers and college bookstores are extortionists. But there’s a reason why they can get away with being extortionists (and being rabid capitalists in general :D). They know, and prospective students know, what the data indicates. People with with college education make on average substantially more money than those who don’t. There are exceptions, no doubt, and many of them. But averages are averages. And if the willingness to educate oneself were particularly common, then most middle class parents wouldn’t be badgering their kids into going to college, knowing that if they didn’tg go to college, they’d probably fritter away their time playing videogames and whatnot.

In the sciences at least, access to the best equipment, labs, etc., as well as access to the professors who are experts in their fields, are what one pays for. And learning languages is a good analogy. One can’t learsn so many things from Rosetta stone. Idioms, dialects, specialized languages, and in general, the way the language is spoken in practice, not just in theory. And there are other perks as well. At my university as part of a German class I got a month-long trip to Munich largely paid for by a foundation for German studies foundation. That sort of immersion opportunity and experience would be much more expensive without the network of foundations, donors, (and access to government subsidies) and would be much less educational without a professor for a leader, who happened to be a native German who was raised in Munich and knows all there is to know about the city.

Again, I find it ironic that I am saying this, myself being something of a bibliophile, but one can’t learn everything from books.
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Well I certainly don’t want to visit a doctor or dentist who completed his medical degree by distance learning or by reading books in the library, so I am not completely condemning the college industry, but it is an industry nonetheless and it makes a tremendous amount of money marketing the necessity of a college degree when in many cases one is not necessary.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Well I certainly don’t want to visit a doctor or dentist who completed his medical degree by distance learning or by reading books in the library, so I am not completely condemning the college industry, but it is an industry nonetheless and it makes a tremendous amount of money marketing the necessity of a college degree when in many cases one is not necessary.
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It is undoubtedly a for-profit industry. In spite of liberalism of the professors, universities are as thoroughly capitalistic institutions as any other private enterprise.

Me personally (and my brother, a recent graduate, agrees with me), I think if universities feel any sense of duty toward their students, they should require that all students, even the art history majors, complete a couple math courses, probably calculus, and at least one intro economics or finance class. That way they will get at least some practically useful knowledge for their tuition money.
 
RACJ said:
Unlike Obama, Sarah Palin has been a successful executive at every level. What would make you think that she would not make an excellent President as well? Her record is head and shoulders above all her prospective competitors for the nomination. Man, I would love anyone who has read Going Rogue explain to me why she isn’t EXACTLY what America needs right now. She has a servant’s heart and the competence of a corporate CEO.
I believe that Sarah Palin has an outstanding chance not only to win the nomination, but the Presidency as well. Watch her speeches for the nomination in '08 and in Wisconsin earlier this year. She has it, the charisma and clarity that can’t be taught! 😃 Blessings, Rob
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I’m reading Going Rogue right now, just to see why it’s hyped up so much by Palin suppoerters 'round here.
 
Raskolnikov said:
I’m only going to read it on an empty stomach. Don’t want to ruin the carpet. 😃
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Indeed, some of the Democrat and Republican corruption in Alaska could make anyone vomit, Ras. Hopefully, YOU won't be rooting for the thugs when you read it. ;) Rob
 
RACJ said:
Unlike Obama, Sarah Palin has been a successful executive at every level. What would make you think that she would not make an excellent President as well? Her record is head and shoulders above all her prospective competitors for the nomination. Man, I would love anyone who has read Going Rogue explain to me why she isn’t EXACTLY what America needs right now. She has a servant’s heart and the competence of a corporate CEO.
I believe that Sarah Palin has an outstanding chance not only to win the nomination, but the Presidency as well. Watch her speeches for the nomination in '08 and in Wisconsin earlier this year. She has it, the charisma and clarity that can’t be taught! 😃 Blessings, Rob
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She does have charisma, but it takes more than that to be a president. All that aside, trust me, she will not get the nomination.
 
ringil said:
If you can stomach it. . . .
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I usually try to read both sides of an issue with an open mind. I’ve been taught never to name call those who oppose me. My parents always taught me to be respectful. Having said that, Going Rogue is not on my reading list.
 
RACJ said:
Indeed, some of the Democrat and Republican corruption in Alaska could make anyone vomit, Ras. Hopefully, YOU won’t be rooting for the thugs when you read it. 😉 Rob
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Unless it has Jack Reacher coming in to sort things out I aint going to read it.
 
gilliam said:
If Election Day was right now, President Obama would defeat the former Alaska governor 50% to 33%, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/obama_50_palin_33
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She doesn’t stand much of a chance, thanks in part to the National Origanization for Women, who believe that only liberal women are worthy of defending, that it’s OK to sit and watch when a conservative woman is maliciously portrayed as a bimbo, and that liberal men are basically good if they are pro-choice, and … well … I guess they really don’t care about women exactly, just liberals and liberal ideals.

If NOW is OK with just ONE woman being treated this way; if they will allow resurrection of the stereotypes that they have fought against for decades* just this once* to oppose Ms. Palin, then they have no moral grounds to defend or represent ANY woman, and their whole organization is a farce. But we already know that.
 
mary_bobo said:
She does have charisma, but it takes more than that to be a president. All that aside, trust me, she will not get the nomination.
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If it takes more than charisma to be elected President, how did the current one get into office?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
If it takes more than charisma to be elected President, how did the current one get into office?
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Well there’s Charisma for democrats and then there is charisma for republicans. By virtue of being a democrat you are already smart and hip, throw in a little charisma and youve got yourself a president.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Well there’s Charisma for democrats and then there is charisma for republicans. By virtue of being a democrat you are already smart and hip, throw in a little charisma and youve got yourself a president.
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Oh… is that how it works. :confused:
 
mary_bobo said:
She does have charisma, but it takes more than that to be a president. All that aside, trust me, she will not get the nomination.
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It will be a tragedy for America if she does NOT win the nomination and the Presidency. I certainly hope that enough Americans see through the charlatans Rick Perry and Milt Romney before it's too late. For me, there is no second choice, even though I think that Santorum and Cain are worthy men, and Bachmann is a good person. Palin has the potential to right America's course, and quickly. She is a leader who fiercely fights for Constitutional principles, and, rare for a politician, she deflects credit for everything she's done to her "team". She is a humble, prayerful woman whose courage and competence has shone at every level. :) Rob
 
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