Obama and Romney Hit the Final Stretch PT 2

[Rich_Olszewski]

Glad you are safe.

Same here! At least you found where some repairs, minor I hope, need be made.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Another “accurate” Newsbusters headline. Read the transcript…at no point does anyone pray for anything. They simply discuss the possible ramifications of the storm.

John

That is not what newsbusters meant. Pray can be another word for hope, and that is what the Morning Joe hosts did

It is disgusting for the 2 hosts to politicise a storm which has killed people

 

[qui_est_ce]

That fact that some of you don’t believe in a level playing field is terrifying. This is what you teach your kids, and then we wonder why so many people are unemployed. Jesus would not approve of this.

The problem is, who defines what a level playing field is? All this talk of fairness. How is it fair to take one person’s money and give it to another by force by an extremely inefficient bureaucratic entity that takes more than 50% for itself?

A successful economy cannot be managed by big government. Look what happened in Eastern Europe when the government decided what the “fair” price of goods should be. They became scarce, while in the real economy, the black market, goods were impossibly high.

To blame a bad economy on “greedy rich” people is nothing but hot air. You yourself work for pay. Should you take a little less profit so the government can redistribute your wealth in an inefficient manner? Many of those “greedy rich” people, like Mitt Romney, give millions to charity. Our rich president barely gave anything until recently.

Conservatives are compassionate. Statistically, they donate more time and money to charities. Conservatives believe work gives a person dignity. We prefer to give people jobs. We believe in a social safety net. We just don’t believe it should be from the federal government. We believe in the principle of subsidiarity.

Obama’s policies have put more people on welfare than any other president. Welfare is the biggest chunk of our budget.

You say things are starting to get better. Unemployment is right were it was when Obama first became president. That’s not counting how many people quit looking or went on disability. How is that progress?

 

[Observer3]

First he said he’d cut FEMA, NOW he says it will stay. LOL I don’t see how any of you with a good heart can trust this guy.

news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-abolish-fema-campaign-says-no-202301419–election.html

 

[oldcelt]

That is not what newsbusters meant. Pray can be another word for hope, and that is what the Morning Joe hosts did

It is disgusting for the 2 hosts to politicise a storm which has killed people

Now you know what Newsbusters “meant?”

It is a deliberately provocative headline, absolutely inaccurate and beneath any basic journalistic standard. Every one who speaks English knows what pray means. If you mean hope…say hope.

Regarding the discussion…I have seen the exact same questions posed on every network

John

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

All very true, except that my service was lack-luster to say the least and I spent most of my Air Force time in the gym, of course He Man did too, hence the name.

Ask him about the “sock” incident. Better yet, don’t ask.

I’m intrigued. Spill, spill

 

[oldcelt]

First he said he’d cut FEMA, NOW he says it will stay. LOL I don’t see how any of you with a good heart can trust this guy.

news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-abolish-fema-campaign-says-no-202301419–election.html

Just like the foreign policy debate…he sounded more like Obama than Obama.

John

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Conservatives are compassionate.

We liberals are a cross between Simon Legree and Oilcan Harry?

Statistically, they donate more time and money to charities.

Okay, but we liberals don’t?

Conservatives believe work gives a person dignity. We prefer to give people jobs. We believe in a social safety net.

We liberals believe the same.

We just don’t believe it should be from the federal government.

Somebody has to work for the various governments, no? Even I suckle at the State of Arkansas’s teat and at least a few CAF posters feed from the federal trough.

Obama’s policies have put more people on welfare than any other president. Welfare is the biggest chunk of our budget.

Okay.

You say things are starting to get better. Unemployment is right were it was when Obama first became president. That’s not counting how many people quit looking or went on disability. How is that progress?

It’s not, but Romney had better fill his hand given what he’s promising to the American public or else he’ll be no better than Obama.

 

[BroomWagon]

We liberals are a cross between Simon Legree and Oilcan Harry?

Okay, but we liberals don’t?

We liberals believe the same.

Somebody has to work for the various governments, no? Even I suckle at the State of Arkansas’s teat and a few poster feed from the federal trough.

Okay.

It’s not, but Romney had better fill his hand given what he’s promising to the American public or else he’ll be no better than Obama.

I haven’t heard where Romney has supported an evil like infanticide.

nationalreview.com/articles/316590/obama-and-infanticide-ramesh-ponnuru

Obama is unqualified on this alone with me.

The media, this time the Washington Post, are again tackling the issue of Obama’s opposition, as a state legislator, to a bill protecting infants who survive abortions.

Romney’s not spotless either, unfortunately, he made compromises in governing a liberal state it sounds like to me.

 

[qui_est_ce]

We liberals are a cross between Simon Legree and Oilcan Harry?

Okay, but we liberals don’t?

We liberals believe the same.

Somebody has to work for the various governments, no? Even I suckle at the State of Arkansas’s teat and at least a few CAF posters feed from the federal trough.

Okay.

It’s not, but Romney had better fill his hand given what he’s promising to the American public or else he’ll be no better than Obama.

I made no mention of “evil” liberal, so I don’t know why you are accusing me of this. I was responding to Observer3 who accused rightwingers of not having compassion and being greedy.

 

[qui_est_ce]

First he said he’d cut FEMA, NOW he says it will stay. LOL I don’t see how any of you with a good heart can trust this guy.

news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-abolish-fema-campaign-says-no-202301419–election.html

Because his actions speak louder than words. Google some of the very kind and generous actions of this man.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Just like the foreign policy debate…he sounded more like Obama than Obama.

John

Look, Obama made a lot of promises he shouldn’t have made. No one knows what’s on the President’s desk. That’s why I admire George W from adding his comments to the fray. Very classy.

We now know some of what was on Obama’s desk, like Libya and FF. He’s lying about it. What else is he lying about?

When I talk about lying, it’s when one tells a deliberate mistruth. “Evolving” on an issue is legitimate and not a lie.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I made no mention of “evil” liberal, so I don’t know why you are accusing me of this.

I wasn’t. Your statements were so general about the fine characteristics of conservatives that I thought to point out that we on the left aren’t so bad. I wouldn’t “accuse” you of anything bad, Christine.

I was responding to Observer3 who accused rightwingers of not having compassion and being greedy.

Okay. My bad.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Google some of the very kind and generous actions of this man.

I’d rather have a curmudgeonly, but honest SOB who truly has the country’s interests foremost as President than a kind-hearted generous incompetent running the show. (Generalization only; no reference to the current race.)

 

[qui_est_ce]

First he said he’d cut FEMA, NOW he says it will stay. LOL I don’t see how any of you with a good heart can trust this guy.

news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-abolish-fema-campaign-says-no-202301419–election.html

From the article:

At a GOP primary debate in June 2011, Romney, when asked about FEMA’s budget woes and how he would deal with it, had said, "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better."

Subsidiarity at work.

During that debate, the moderator, CNN’s John King, had gone on to ask if that included “disaster relief.” Romney suggested it did.

Can they be more specific about this? Not elaborated in rest of article.

The Center for American Progress, a liberal group, called attention to Romney’s remarks in an email to reporters on Sunday.

Asked for clarification today, Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said the GOP nominee wasn’t i**mplying he would get rid of FEMA, but rather that he simply wants states to play a greater role in disaster response.
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“Gov. Romney believes that states should be in charge of emergency management in responding to storms and other natural disasters in their jurisdictions,” Henneberg said. “As the first responders, states are in the best position to aid affected individuals and communities, and to direct resources and assistance to where they are needed most. This includes help from the federal government and FEMA.”

Damning evidence of a flip-flopper!

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Another “accurate” Newsbusters headline. Read the transcript…at no point does anyone pray for anything. They simply discuss the possible ramifications of the storm.

John

Mika is Obama’s biggest cheerleader. Her desire for Obama to redeem himself via Hurricane Sandy was quite obvious. Joe Scarborough was simply making a legitimate point.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

First he said he’d cut FEMA, NOW he says it will stay. LOL I don’t see how any of you with a good heart can trust this guy.

news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-abolish-fema-campaign-says-no-202301419–election.html

Compared to Obama, I’d trust Mitt any day!

 

[oldcelt]

Mika is Obama’s biggest cheerleader. Her desire for Obama to redeem himself via Hurricane Sandy was quite obvious. Joe Scarborough was simply making a legitimate point.

Why is it that the Dem is usually portrayed here as some sort of drooling idol worshiper, while the Rep is only engaging in rational discourse?

It seems that Mika said that Obama needed to watch his steps too.

John

 

[_Abyssinia]

First he said he’d cut FEMA, NOW he says it will stay. LOL I don’t see how any of you with a good heart can trust this guy.

news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-abolish-fema-campaign-says-no-202301419–election.html

Romney has never said he would abolish or cut FEMA

Transcript of the cnn debate

KING: What else, Governor Romney? You’ve been a chief executive of a state. I was just in Joplin, Missouri. I’ve been in Mississippi and Louisiana and Tennessee and other communities dealing with whether it’s the tornadoes, the flooding, and worse. FEMA is about to run out of money, and there are some people who say do it on a case-by-case basis and some people who say, you know, maybe we’re learning a lesson here that the states should take on more of this role. How do you deal with something like that?

ROMNEY: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.

Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut — we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot…

KING: Including disaster relief, though?

ROMNEY: We cannot — we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all.

He was advocating for a strong state roll which is a good thing for FEMA because it means their resources will not be stretched because they will not need to respond to multiple events on a national scale

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Glad you are safe. Weren’t you recently unemployed as well?

Was. I now have a job that I absolutely HATE. Not the work itself, but what the work supports.