Obama and Romney Hit the Final Stretch PT 2

[livingwordunity]

Why is it that the Dem is usually portrayed here as some sort of drooling idol worshiper, while the Rep is only engaging in rational discourse?

Because it’s the Democrat party that has basically declared war on the Catholic Church. And since America has a two party system, voting Obama out means voting Republican. The Republican party isn’t perfect, but they aren’t at war with the Catholic Church, they aren’t gutting the military, and they aren’t trying to divide the nation with claims of a “war on women” or by race and class warfare like the Democrat party has been doing. Plus, the Democrat party has completely disqualified itself for any serious Catholic because of them elevating abortion and sodomy to some kind of sacred cow status in their party platform.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Romney expands ad campaign into Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan in play

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Because it’s the Democrat party that has basically declared war on the Catholic Church. And since America has a two party system, voting Obama out means voting Republican. The Republican party isn’t perfect, but they aren’t at war with the Catholic Church, they aren’t gutting the military, and they aren’t trying to divide the nation with claims of a “war on women” or by race or by class warfare like the Democrat party has been doing. Plus, the Democrat party has completely disqualified itself for any serious Catholic because of them elevating abortion and sodomy to some kind of sacred cow status in their party platform.

:sad_yes:

Not a glowing endorsement of the GOP, but at least they aren’t on the “off limits” side of the pressing moral concerns of the Catholic Church.

I still have issues on their:

War on Drugs
Patriot Act
NDAA
overblown defense spending, including its “shoot first, ask questions later” ideology

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Because it’s the Democrat party that has basically declared war on the Catholic Church. And since America has a two party system, voting Obama out means voting Republican. The Republican party isn’t perfect, but they aren’t at war with the Catholic Church,

The Dems have declared war on the Catholic Church?? Is that in their platform?

they aren’t gutting the military

I guess that if the Republicans want to reduce spending on the military, it’s a wise budgeting move, but if the Dems want to, it’s gutting. Don’t be so quick to jump on the bandwagon of those who believe that there is no such thing as overfeeding the guns.

them elevating abortion and sodomy to some kind of sacred cow status in their party platform.

Where is sodomy mentioned in the Platform?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The Dems have declared war on the Catholic Church?? Is that in their platform?

I guess that if the Republicans want to reduce spending on the military, it’s a wise budgeting move, but if the Dems want to, it’s gutting. Don’t be so quick to jump on the bandwagon of those who believe that there is no such thing as overfeeding the guns.

Where is sodomy mentioned in the Platform?

They aren’t calling it sodomy. They color coated it with the populist and egalitarian sounding term “marriage equality”

 

[qui_est_ce]

Was. I now have a job that I absolutely HATE. Not the work itself, but what the work supports.

Wow. I’ve been in jobs that I hated, not because of the work, but because of the “corporate” atmosphere. Now that my kids are grown, I can afford to work at a place I love, but pays considerably less in both $$ and benefits. There’s a trade-off.

 

[Observer3]

Problem is, state role is not enough sometimes. That is why Obama recognizes things need to be bigger than that. Some states have huge financial problems (many of these republican states).

This is very similar to what Romney wants to do with medicare, and it will have similarly dangerous results. Of course many of you probably don’t care about anyone but yourselves, but your children will one day be faced with the possibility of a coupon for their health insurance when they retire. This just doesn’t work, and you all know it. But we are safe until 2016. Let’s pray Obama does a good job through 2016 so there’s no possibility of our children having voucher medicare.

 

[BroomWagon]

Problem is, state role is not enough sometimes. That is why Obama recognizes things need to be bigger than that. Some states have huge financial problems (many of these republican states).

This is very similar to what Romney wants to do with medicare, and it will have similarly dangerous results. Of course many of you probably don’t care about anyone but yourselves, but your children will one day be faced with the possibility of a coupon for their health insurance when they retire. This just doesn’t work, and you all know it. But we are safe until 2016. Let’s pray Obama does a good job through 2016 so there’s no possibility of our children having voucher medicare.

Obama recognizes this? Brilliant, the same guy who believes live babies should be left to die,

 

[mary_bobo]

Problem is, state role is not enough sometimes. That is why Obama recognizes things need to be bigger than that. Some states have huge financial problems (many of these republican states).

This is very similar to what Romney wants to do with medicare, and it will have similarly dangerous results. Of course many of you probably don’t care about anyone but yourselves, but your children will one day be faced with the possibility of a coupon for their health insurance when they retire. This just doesn’t work, and you all know it. But we are safe until 2016. Let’s pray Obama does a good job through 2016 so there’s no possibility of our children having voucher medicare.

There is so much misinformation here, it is hard to begin. The bigger government gets, the less efficient it gets. And to infer that anyone here does not care about others is just about as uncharitable a statement as I have heard lately. If some changes are not made in the whole economic system in this country, no one is going to get help of any kind from any branch of government. Just when will liberals come to the realization that at some time the piper has to be paid.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Problem is, state role is not enough sometimes. That is why Obama recognizes things need to be bigger than that. Some states have huge financial problems (many of these republican states).

This is very similar to what Romney wants to do with medicare, and it will have similarly dangerous results. Of course many of you probably don’t care about anyone but yourselves, but your children will one day be faced with the possibility of a coupon for their health insurance when they retire. This just doesn’t work, and you all know it. But we are safe until 2016. Let’s pray Obama does a good job through 2016 so there’s no possibility of our children having voucher medicare.

Obama is going to have been enjoying the surf in Hawaii for 4 years in 2016. No sure what affect he is going to have on anything.

 

[Observer3]

Guys, you can debate with me all you want and hold up signs of Romney/Ryan and make all the noise you want, but if you fill out this electoral map, you’ll see why Romney has no chance.

graphics.wsj.com/MAPMAKER/#

I was generous to Romney and gave him North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida. And he still lost 281-257.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Problem is, state role is not enough sometimes. That is why Obama recognizes things need to be bigger than that. Some states have huge financial problems (many of these republican states).

This is very similar to what Romney wants to do with medicare, and it will have similarly dangerous results. Of course many of you probably don’t care about anyone but yourselves, but your children will one day be faced with the possibility of a coupon for their health insurance when they retire. This just doesn’t work, and you all know it. But we are safe until 2016. Let’s pray Obama does a good job through 2016 so there’s no possibility of our children having voucher medicare.

Instead of making ad hominems, why don’t you try to address some of the issues we brought up?

And do you care that your children will be saddled with our debt?

 

[livingwordunity]

The Dems have declared war on the Catholic Church??

HHS mandate and the claim that anyone who opposes abortion is engaged in a “war on women”.

I guess that if the Republicans want to reduce spending on the military, it’s a wise budgeting move, but if the Dems want to, it’s gutting. Don’t be so quick to jump on the bandwagon of those who believe that there is no such thing as overfeeding the guns.

I’m a veteran who has served under Democrat and Republican leadership. And in my experience it’s always been the Dems who gut the military. People have been getting kicked out left and right for petty bureaucratic technicalities. Obama doesn’t mind when he takes jobs away from others, but he wants to keep his own.

Where is sodomy mentioned in the Platform?

So-called “marriage equality” aka “same-sex marriage” (i.e. sodomy).

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Why is it that the Dem is usually portrayed here as some sort of drooling idol worshiper, while the Rep is only engaging in rational discourse?

It seems that Mika said that Obama needed to watch his steps too.

John

I’m a regular viewer of Morning Joe. Mika IS a drooling idol worshiper of Bluer Skies/Receding Oceans Obama. Joe displays conservative bias certainly, but he is generally objective and unafraid to criticize Republicans. Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and Al Sharpton are along the Mika types, except more rabid.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I’m a veteran who has served under Democrat and Republican leadership. And in my experience it’s always been the Dems who gut the military. .

I’m a veteran of 12 years in the Air Force and I know what wasteful military spending is. The military could well stand more “gutting…”

 

[BroomWagon]

Guys, you can debate with me all you want and hold up signs of Romney/Ryan and make all the noise you want, but if you fill out this electoral map, you’ll see why Romney has no chance. graphics.wsj.com/MAPMAKER/# I was generous to Romney and gave him North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida. And he still lost 281-257.

Romney’s winning in the National Polls, Romney’s winning in early voting.

Also, apparently Obama’s policies are going to hurt medicare and hurt doctors.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

I’m a veteran of 12 years in the Air Force and I know what wasteful military spending is. The military could well stand more “gutting…”

Every federal agency can withstand scrutiny and survive, including Defense. I agree.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I’m a regular viewer of Morning Joe. Mika IS a drooling idol worshiper of Bluer Skies/Receding Oceans Obama. Joe displays conservative bias certainly, but he is generally objective and unafraid to criticize Republicans. Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and Al Sharpton are along the Mika types, except more rabid.

Listen instead to NPR on your drive to and from work. Editorially liberal, but not too much so, but it covers the news without emotion and accurately. I have no use whatever for the flatulence from talking heads, leftist or rightist.

If you don’t accept this liberal’s opinion of NPR, ask conservative Christine (Qui est ce) for her opinion of it. She’s a listener!

 

[ringil]

The problem is, who defines what a level playing field is? All this talk of fairness. How is it fair to take one person’s money and give it to another by force by an extremely inefficient bureaucratic entity that takes more than 50% for itself?

A successful economy cannot be managed by big government. Look what happened in Eastern Europe when the government decided what the “fair” price of goods should be. They became scarce, while in the real economy, the black market, goods were impossibly high.

Then you have Scandinavia. Why does America have the lowest levels of vacation time, no maternity time (we have short-term disability with no pay), no paternity time, no universal healthcare, terrible public transportation, etc. etc.

QUOTE=qui est ce;9953654]To blame a bad economy on “greedy rich” people is nothing but hot air. You yourself work for pay. Should you take a little less profit so the government can redistribute your wealth in an inefficient manner? Many of those “greedy rich” people, like Mitt Romney, give millions to charity. Our rich president barely gave anything until recently.

10% of Romneys charity is a REQUIREMENT of his religion- not a recommendation- a literal REQUIREMENT to be demonstrated in paperwork. And to me that DOES defitely change how I view his charity- at least 10 percent of it.

Conservatives are compassionate. Statistically, they donate more time and money to charities. Conservatives believe work gives a person dignity. We prefer to give people jobs. We believe in a social safety net. We just don’t believe it should be from the federal government. We believe in the principle of subsidiarity.

Some conservatives are charitable and some aren’t. Some liberals are compassionate and some aren’t. Conservatives believe in gauging if someone is trying “hard enough” to work and if they deem it to not be sufficient then they believe the “safety net” should end for them. It is the Protestant Work Ethic plain and simple. Poverty and riches are tied to amount of effort because after all, “anyone can make it in the US if they put their nose ot the grindstone”.

Yes, blaming the rich for the economy is inappropriate but so is blaming “moochers”.

 

[BroomWagon]

I’m a regular viewer of Morning Joe. Mika IS a drooling idol worshiper of Bluer Skies/Receding Oceans Obama. Joe displays conservative bias certainly, but he is generally objective and unafraid to criticize Republicans. Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and Al Sharpton are along the Mika types, except more rabid.

I don’t even know who this Mika is that people are talking about.

I would not put Hannity on this list and he gets about twice the viewers of any of these others.

Who is a famous American political commentator who died I believe over 70 years ago?

Will Rogers, I don’t think he had some great education that some people seem to think is necessary. He was just a common man and that was why he was so popular.