Obama and Romney hit the final stretch

[stinkcat_14]

You don’t have to be Republican to be a good Catholic!

This is true.

 

[CatholicGuy22]

CG, unborn babies are poor and weak. How can we support a candidate that openly supports abortion, the killing of the poorest and weakest among us? What do you mean by respecting “the dignity of all people including the undocumented”?

I agree with you completely! Abortion is terrible! but we must not be so narrow-minded there are many more issue we should fight as well.

 

[estesbob]

So the life a poor person and undocumented is not as important?

The Church neither endorsees not opposes either canidates approaches to immigration or poverty. The same can not be said for abortion. As Archbishop Chaput explained it:

Obviously, we have other important issues facing us this fall: the economy, the war in Iraq, immigration justice. But we can’t build a healthy society while ignoring the routine and very profitable legalized homicide that goes on every day against America’s unborn children. The right to life is foundational. Every other right depends on it. Efforts to reduce abortions, or to create alternatives to abortion, or to foster an environment where more women will choose to keep their unborn child, can have great merit–but not if they serve to cover over or distract from the brutality and fundamental injustice of abortion itself. We should remember that one of the crucial things that set early Christians apart from the pagan culture around them was their rejection of abortion and infanticide. Yet for thirty-five years I’ve watched prominent “pro-choice” Catholics justify themselves with the kind of moral and verbal gymnastics that should qualify as an Olympic event. All they’ve really done is capitulate to Roe v. Wade

Read more: blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2008/08/while-cardinal-george-the-pres.html#ixzz2AKRHYSLK

 

[_Abyssinia]

You hypocrites! You say your pro-life but you support a candidate who will cut programs that help the poor! And also a candidate who does not respect the dignity of all people included the undocumented! It’s awesome you want to support anti-abortion candidate but for those calling Catholics who vote for Obama heretics should look at themselves in the mirror first. The Church calls us to vote by a formed conscience. You don’t have to be Republican to be a good Catholic!

Who are the poorest of the poor? The unborn. Has Obama helped the poor? 15 million more on food stamps then when he was inaugurated, 1 in 6 in poverty

In the Catholic Church there are intrinsic evils like abortion and issues of prudential judgement where Catholics can have differing opinions, like how to help the poor, immigration, social security, tax etc. Read the voter guides in my signature. Obama is the most pro abortion president ever. Romney/Ryan will do something about abortion

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

If it were all that simple, we wouldn’t have sincere Catholics wrestling with the various issues and wondering why the Church became a one issue church. My :twocents:

It really is that simple, though. The Church has spoken. Catholics, if they wish to remain Catholic, simply can not disobey on this issue.
They can choose not to vote at all, I suppose (although I would argue that they weren’t doing their civic duty, and that in close states their doing so might throw the election to Obama).

 

[St_Francis]

If it were all that simple, we wouldn’t have sincere Catholics wrestling with the various issues and wondering why the Church became a one issue church. My :twocents:

Maybe because they didn’t hear the cheering at the 04 convention every single time abortion or embryonic stem cell research was mentioned…

 

[CatholicGuy22]

I was unaware of the GOP platform position of “strongly and unequivocally” supporting the right to kill poor people.

But not doing anything is just as bad. The government should do all they can do to help the poor. Abortion is wrong and will always be wrong but we cant be one issue voters.

 

[scipio337]

If it were all that simple, we wouldn’t have sincere Catholics wrestling with the various issues and wondering why the Church became a one issue church. My :twocents:

You mean “Social Justice”?

There are more than one issue regarding a particular candidate that are diametrically opposed to Church teaching. Abortion is not the only one.

 

[wavejim]

Liberals refuse to use their own litmus tests with the Obama administration. This administration should be labeled “historic” in its war mongering. NYT Aug 26, 2012

Overseas weapons sales by the United States totaled $66.3 billion last year, or more than three-quarters of the global arms market…

The American weapons sales total was an “extraordinary increase” over the $21.4 billion in deals for 2010, the study found, and was the largest single-year sales total in the history of United States arms exports. The previous high was in fiscal year 2009, when American weapons sales overseas totaled nearly $31 billion.

 

[CatholicGuy22]

The Church neither endorsees not opposes either canoodles approaches to immigration or poverty. The same can not be said for abortion. As Archbishop Chaput explained it:

Obviously, we have other important issues facing us this fall: the economy, the war in Iraq, immigration justice. But we can’t build a healthy society while ignoring the routine and very profitable legalized homicide that goes on every day against America’s unborn children. The right to life is foundational. Every other right depends on it. Efforts to reduce abortions, or to create alternatives to abortion, or to foster an environment where more women will choose to keep their unborn child, can have great merit–but not if they serve to cover over or distract from the brutality and fundamental injustice of abortion itself. We should remember that one of the crucial things that set early Christians apart from the pagan culture around them was their rejection of abortion and infanticide. Yet for thirty-five years I’ve watched prominent “pro-choice” Catholics justify themselves with the kind of moral and verbal gymnastics that should qualify as an Olympic event. All they’ve really done is capitulate to Roe v. Wade

Read more: blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2008/08/while-cardinal-george-the-pres.html#ixzz2AKRHYSLK

Hate to break it to you but there will always be abortions. Voting wont do anything. This is why one issue voting is pointless.

 

[BroomWagon]

But not doing anything is just as bad. The government should do all they can do to help the poor. Abortion is wrong and will always be wrong but we cant be one issue voters.

Do you believe in the Constitution or do you believe in a Nanny State.

By the way, it’s been reported lately that the government spends more on anti-poverty programs than if they just gave the money to each person who lives in poverty.

We have to remember in a Christian country, charity would best handle the impoverished NOT an administration that attacks Christian values.

 

[Fitz]

But not doing anything is just as bad. The government should do all they can do to help the poor. Abortion is wrong and will always be wrong but we cant be one issue voters.

All things begin with life, and if we all voted life it would not take too long before the Democrats would come around. I beg to disagree with you. We need to make that the number one issue! I belong to many pro`-life groups, and it breaks my heart when time after time Catholic legislators come out in favor of abortion rights for all, and want us to pay for it on top of that! Wake up, before we kill even more children and condone the killing of minority babies because it is cheaper than paying for them once society convinces them to be entitlement citizens. The whole vicious cycle is so disgusting. Vote LIFE! We can be one issue voters.

 

[CatholicGuy22]

Do you believe in the Constitution or do you believe in a Nanny State.

By the way, it’s been reported lately that the government spends more on anti-poverty programs than if they just gave the money to each person who lives in poverty.

We have to remember in a Christian country, charity would best handle the impoverished NOT an administration that attacks Christian values.

I believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Fitz]

Hate to break it to you but there will always be abortions. Voting wont do anything. This is why one issue voting is pointless.

Abdicating your responsibility will not resolve this. We are supposed to vote life. It does make a difference.

 

[qui_est_ce]

But not doing anything is just as bad. The government should do all they can do to help the poor. Abortion is wrong and will always be wrong but we cant be one issue voters.

Right. And RR’s vision will create more jobs so people don’t have to be so dependent on government aid. Teach the poor how to fish.

More people have lost jobs and gone on welfare under Obama. He has proven himself unworthy. We have to vote him out.

 

[Fitz]

Maybe because they didn’t hear the cheering at the 04 convention every single time abortion or embryonic stem cell research was mentioned…

Or how about the booing when they decided to put “God” back into their platform

 

[scipio337]

But not doing anything is just as bad. The government should do all they can do to help the poor. Abortion is wrong and will always be wrong but we cant be one issue voters.

Who has proposed “not doing anything”?

We have different ideas of how to best help the poor, which is a far cry from having them murdered in the womb.

So we can be “one issue voters” in helping the poor, but not for marriage, abortion, stem cell funding, violating Catholic conscience…?

 

[BroomWagon]

Hate to break it to you but there will always be abortions. Voting wont do anything. This is why one issue voting is pointless.

Hate to break it to you but the nation’s largest abortion provider is the Democrat party’s sacred cow known as Planned Parenthood, abortion in the US is 5 times more likely to abort a black child and 83% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in minority neighborhoods. Stings have shown Planned Parenthood advise 90+% of all women to abort because that means revenue for Planned Parenthood.

Governors in Wisconsin and New Jersey have defunded planned parenthood NOT so in Illinois where Tonya Reaves died at about 10 weeks ago.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts, let’s not forget also the fact that Obama voted 4 times against the Born Again Infant Protection Act, in other words if a baby survived abortion, the baby would be let alone to die on its own.

Yeah, that’s real charitable alright!

 

[estesbob]

I agree with you completely! Abortion is terrible! but we must not be so narrow-minded there are many more issue we should fight as well.

We can fight abortion and be engaged on other issues also. It is not an either or proposition.

 

[scipio337]

Hate to break it to you but there will always be abortions. Voting wont do anything. This is why one issue voting is pointless.

We won’t always have the poor with us?

It’s a silly argument. Child abuse still occurs, despite laws against it. Should we “strongly and unequivocally” support the right to physically abuse a child (“regardless of ability to pay”)?