Obama and Romney hit the final stretch

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At least we agree that we are arguing at the level of your opinion. We therefore agree that there is nothing in Church teaching that says that one must vote for Romney, since you have presented no Church teaching supporting that.

Tell me again, why must I vote for the pro-abortion Romney? We agree that he is pro-abortion in the case of rape and incest, so why does the Church say that I have to vote for Romney?
Sorry, your Straw man fallacy will not work.

I have NOT argued that one must vote for Mr Romney. Albeit logic dictates that would HAVE to be the choice in this election, in order to defeat Mr Obama’s and his administration’s intrinsic evils ].

Mr Obama’s administration is not of ONE intrinsic evil, as I have referenced for you.
 
I fail to understand folks who insist that if we can’t save 100% of the babies, we have no obligation to try to put people in place who will save as many as possible. 😊 Rob
It is something I don’t understand although I had to try to understand someone I was very
close to for many years. In his case, he had a problem making a decision and doing
nothing or not making waves was the path he took.
I am praying that many on these forums who will be going to the polls to vote for the down
ticket or the third candidate for president will instead vote for Romney and NOT TELL anyone
(unless they want to). That way they “save face” and stand by what they have been saying
for weeks on these forums.;)😉
 
… We must act according to our conscience, which should be well-formed… .
According to our Church’s teachings. I have heard too many “I” feel, or "I"think preceding
how they’ve determined to vote.:confused:
 
I am praying that many on these forums who will be going to the polls to vote for the down ticket or the third candidate for president will instead vote for Romney and NOT TELL anyone (unless they want to). That way they “save face” and stand by what they have been saying for weeks on these forums.;)😉
Yes, but that sword cuts both ways. There are those Catholics who are comfortable with abortion, probably not CAF posters, but who dare not express any except anti-abortion opinions, and who will pull the lever for Obama once they’re behind the booth curtain.
 
That’s not where I am either, but it is a valid and moral position. We must act according to our conscience, which should be well-formed and shaped by prayer. I believe it *is *immoral to vote for Obama, no matter what (and the more I hear about him, the more I feel that way!), but I do not think that voting for Goode is immoral.
I am not judging the personal morality of the person; I am questioning their judgment. It really makes no sense to refuse to do everything to defeat this man Obama who is so hostile to people of faith. And voting for Goode or Johnson betrays a refusal to accept reality. Cordially, Rob 😦
 
I’ll be honest. After today’s news about Benghazi, I don’t understand how a single human with character being could vote for Obama and Biden. The father of slain SEAL Tyrone Woods said that Hillary promised him that the creator of the fraudulently blamed video would be arrested. No comment about bringing the REAL KILLERS to justice. And Biden asked the grieving dad if his son had always had b*lls the size of cueballs. We now learn that the White House denied THREE CIA urgent requests for support. No doubt Obama himself gave the order to stand down, despite the fact that a drone was taping the massacre real time.
Please Obama supporters, wake up before America suffers this evil man for four more years. Don’t force us to wake up to a nightmare on Nov. 7. 🤷 Rob
Could someone on the other side, or a supporter of a third party please explain to me why there is no sense of urgency to defeat Obama, in light of these new revelations? I’ll be on the road soon, but I’ll look for responses on Monday. Thanks, Rob
 
And voting for Goode or Johnson betrays a refusal to accept reality
Suppose you believe in what Goode’s or Johnson’s platform is. Then you are betraying your principles if you vote for Romney or Obama. 🤷
 
I’ll be honest. After today’s news about Benghazi, I don’t understand how a single human with character being could vote for Obama and Biden. The father of slain SEAL Tyrone Woods said that Hillary promised him that the creator of the fraudulently blamed video would be arrested. No comment about bringing the REAL KILLERS to justice. And Biden asked the grieving dad if his son had always had b*lls the size of cueballs. We now learn that the White House denied THREE CIA urgent requests for support. No doubt Obama himself gave the order to stand down, despite the fact that a drone was taping the massacre real time.
Please Obama supporters, wake up before America suffers this evil man for four more years. Don’t force us to wake up to a nightmare on Nov. 7. 🤷 Rob
I wouldn’t count on it, Rob.
 
According to our Church’s teachings. I have heard too many “I” feel, or "I"think preceding
how they’ve determined to vote.:confused:
IMO Some here choose the abortion differences as justification.

Where does Mr Obama stand on the intrinsic evil of homosexual marriage?
Where does Mr Obama stand on the intrinsic evil of spending that - which belongs to others?
Where does Mr Obama stand on the intrinsic evil of violation of Church Conscience?
Where does Mr Obama stand on the intrinsic evil of his broken moral compass, being passed to youth, as a “norm”? Benghazi - Fast and Furious - Defense of Marriage - etc ].
 
Yes, but that sword cuts both ways. There are those Catholics who are comfortable with abortion, probably not CAF posters, but who dare not express any except anti-abortion opinions, and who will pull the lever for Obama once they’re behind the booth curtain.
Then they are not following Church teaching. I was addressing the “purists” who feel that
Romney is not much better than Obama. Hopefully, we won’t need these voters anyway,
except to add to the popular vote or cement the electoral vote.😃
 
Could someone on the other side, or a supporter of a third party please explain to me why there is no sense of urgency to defeat Obama, in light of these new revelations? I’ll be on the road soon, but I’ll look for responses on Monday. Thanks, Rob
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I have asked the same - with no reply.
 
Suppose you believe in what Goode’s or Johnson’s platform is. Then you are betraying your principles if you vote for Romney or Obama. 🤷
I commend you for your philosophic approach, Rich. I’m more of a realist, however, so I’m voting for the all around better candidate that has a chance of winning: Mitt Romney. I will undoubtedly have to live with the results of this election. This is a far cry from contemplating a four year philosophical discussion over hypothetical presidencies.
 
I commend you for your philosophic approach, Rich. I’m more of a realist, however, so I’m voting for the all around better candidate that has a chance of winning: Mitt Romney. I will undoubtedly have to live with the results of this election. This is far cry from contemplating a four year philosophical discussion over hypothetical presidencies.
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Hypothetical presidencies do not **defeat ** Mr Obama.
 
Suppose you believe in what Goode’s or Johnson’s platform is. Then you are betraying your principles if you vote for Romney or Obama. 🤷
In the same way that someone’s voting for a 3rd party candidate who cannot win because that candidate is against 100% of all abortions is moral, the Church teaches that it is moral to vote for someone who will limit the damage even if they are not against 100% of all abortions.

I believe that someone who looks realistically at Obama’s stance, which is beyond *NARAL’s! *and someone who looks at Romney’s, which is 99% pro-life, one can see a huge difference between the two men. It is not like the difference between voting for Obama and a man who agrees with him except for the Babies Born Alive Act, it is the difference between someone who disagrees with him about all but less than 1% of abortions.
 
I commend you for your philosophic approach, Rich. I’m more of a realist, however, so I’m voting for the all around better candidate that has a chance of winning: Mitt Romney. I will undoubtedly have to live with the results of this election. This is far cry from contemplating a four year philosophical discussion over hypothetical presidencies.
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. No doubt Obama himself gave the order to stand down…
I have only heard one direct first hand account from someone who was with the President while making military decisions, and that account was that the President had to force the Joint Chiefs for come up with a more aggressive and effective policy to go into Libya, and he gave them only two hours to do it. So, while my actually true information is limited, it would indicate that the President is more proactive in these matters than his military advisors.

Apparently, you are privileged with some other information. Please share your source. Mine is from someone who was standing next to the President.
 
I am not judging the personal morality of the person; I am questioning their judgment. It really makes no sense to refuse to do everything to defeat this man Obama who is so hostile to people of faith. And voting for Goode or Johnson betrays a refusal to accept reality. Cordially, Rob
The danger of always voting for the “lesser of two evils” is that the best candidate–Goode–will never have a chance. If we catholics start voting for only pro-life candidates, the GOP may change their tune on the issue and adopt a consistently pro-life platform to earn our votes. But as it is, most Americans do not want abortion to be illegal. Or they take an unrealistic approach of calling it a state’s rights issue, which it will never be considering the way of “modernity” in which power is being consolidated into the hands of the few.

It’s no coincidence that each successive conservative presidential candidate has become more socially liberal. Bush–McCain–Romney. We must not vote along party lines but according to the issues and policies of the candidates. I see too many apparent GOP first catholics on these forums.

Romney’s Mormonism alone should make catholics skeptical.
 
Latest Gallup poll has Romney 51% Obama 46%. It is historically significant when the challenger has a lead over the 50% threshold this close to the election.

gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx

***Rasmussen has Romney 48% Obama 48% in Wisconsin. Simply amazing.

rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/wisconsin/election_2012_wisconsin_president

***Rasmussen: Romney 48% Obama 48% - tied in Ohio! ***

townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2012/10/24/rasmussen_obama_romney_tied_in_ohio

The AP-GfK poll has Romney 47% Obama 47% among women voters after Romney lagged Obama by a 16% margin among women a month earlier

dailycaller.com/2012/10/25/ap-poll-romney-erases-obama-advantage-among-women/#ixzz2AQjLFMrU

Poll: Obama, Romney tied in Michigan; Detroit News endorses Mitt Romney

townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/10/25/poll_obama_romney_tied_in_michigan_detroit_news_endorses_mitt
 
The danger of always voting for the “lesser of two evils” is that the best candidate–Goode–will never have a chance. If we catholics start voting for only pro-life candidates, the GOP may change their tune on the issue and adopt a consistently pro-life platform. But as it is, most Americans do not want abortion to be illegal. Or they take an unrealistic approach of calling it a state’s rights issue, which it will never be considering the way of “modernity” in which power is being consolidated into the hands of the few…
I could take the CP more seriously if they would do something more than show up every 4 years for a Presidential election. While it is true that a third party will never have a chance if people don’t vote for it, the party itself ought to do something too. I go to their site from time to time and see that in between presidential elections it remains untouched for months on end. To me, they are just not serious about what they are doing.
 
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