Obama and Romney hit the final stretch

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estesbob said:
Just finished my mail in ballot-voted for Romeny . First time in over 30 years my vote for president really matters as this is the first Presidential election i have voted in Colorado instead of texas since 1980!
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I don’t trust the mail here enough to ever mail a ballot. I voted in person within a couple days of the polls being open.

I debated on whether I was going to vote for the person I wanted to win or the one I wanted to loose. I’ve never been on the winning side…ever. Got close in 2000, but SCOTUS sided with Bush. 🤷
 
Dawnia said:
I don’t trust the mail here enough to ever mail a ballot. I voted in person within a couple days of the polls being open.

I debated on whether I was going to vote for the person I wanted to win or the one I wanted to loose. I’ve never been on the winning side…ever. Got close in 2000, but SCOTUS sided with Bush. 🤷
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I will be out of town when the vote takes place so i didnt have a choice.
 
CMatt25 said:
Hi Ishii, I’m not going to keep answering your same question. And I’m also not focused on national polls at this pt at all. As it’s all about one thing Ishii. The number 270.
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With Romney up by as much as he is, that won’t matter. Winning by 6-8 points will ensure he gets the electoral votes.

Romney will win around 321.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
WEll, we know for a fact that Romney won’t win California. I’ll even go so far as to say taht if he does, I will video myself eating my own show and post it on Youtube.
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California will probably go to Obama. He and bernake have managed the crisis well enough to fool enough people and Romney has hardly been there but it will closer than a lot of democrats think.
 
CMatt25 said:
And your link of averages really does show Obama up in PA and MI by 4-5% and in OH, WI, NV, and IA by over 2%. In NH by 1+% And tied in CO. Thanks rLg.
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I think Romney will win most if not all of those states. Iowa and Michigan will be tougher, but doable.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Yes, but that sword cuts both ways. There are those Catholics who are comfortable with abortion, probably not CAF posters, but who dare not express any except anti-abortion opinions, and who will pull the lever for Obama once they’re behind the booth curtain.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some CAF posters in that group. 🤷
 
SuperLuigi said:
I think Romney will win most if not all of those states. Iowa and Michigan will be tougher, but doable.
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Well sure anything is doable. But we’ll see. Even if Romney were to somehow win Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado. Wisconson, Nevada, New Hampishire, and Pennsylvania, he would fall short of your prediction of 321. And even if he were to somehow win Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, Wisconson, New Hampshire, and either Iowa or Nevada… And Obama only wins of the most talked about states, MI, PA and either IA or NV… Romney also falls short of Estesbob’s prediction.

And even if Romney were to win FL, VA, CO, NH, and either IA or NV, none of which is a sure thing for him according to state polls, it is also very doable for Obama to win Ohio, MI, PA, WI, and either NV or IA and go over 270. Or win both NV and IA and win NH for more cushion. Or Obama can lose for instance WI along with FL, VA, CO but win OH, PA, MI, NV, IA and NH and still be reelected. And so forth. There are all sorts of mathematical scenarios There are even scenarios where Obama could lose 2 out of these 3, OH, FL, and VA and still be reelected.
 
SuperLuigi said:
I think Romney will win most if not all of those states. Iowa and Michigan will be tougher, but doable.
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If Romney can win FL and OH, then his chances are good, as it looks now. If he fails to take either, then it will be hard for him to get enough electoral votes. Obama will be a longshot, if he doesn’t take OH.
 
TexCatholic4JMJ said:
Poor, poor Obama, he tried so hard.😃 Sorry, he was not a good leader here either.
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I’m not an Obama fan. Though, I think people are forgetting what the choice was in 2008. I believe that McCain would have been far worse, based on his decisions and behavior during the campaign, and his career.

We are faced with a similar choice. I was leaning toward Romney, until he started reversing himself on all of his positions. My belief, after watching him for a while, is that he is not being truthful at all. His agenda appears to be to gut all the social programs, and to give big tax breaks to the rich. I don’t think that is good economic or social policy. So, even though I don’t like him much, I am voting for Obama.

All I ask for from a candidate is that he tell the truth about what he intends to do in office. I admired George W. Bush for that. He told us exactly what he intended to do, and he did it. If every politician would do that, then these decisions would be much easier for everyone.
 
I should have said… voted for Obama.

I admired GW Bush, and Bill Clinton for sticking to their platforms. Both of them were predictable, in that way. Obviously, neither of them were perfect as leaders, and if you liked one of them, you probably disliked the other one. But I am referring to the basic integrity of saying what you mean to do, and then trying your best to do it.

President Obama has not done that. He speaks vaguely, and makes the same promises he made in 2008, but did not act upon. Governor Romney changes his positions, each time the winds shift. He is obviously saying whatever he thinks will win votes from his base, and from swing voters. My sense with each of them, is that they are not trustworthy, and that they are unreliable. It bothers me more that Romney is apparently untruthful, when he really has no cause to be. Lying is far too easy for him, in my opinion. That only comes with practice, and appears to be a pattern of behavior. I can’t stomach listening to that. He is not as Machiavellian and hard hearted as VP Cheney was, but he sends that same chill up one’s spine when he looks you straight in the eye, smiles, and tells a lie. Spooky.

This trait seems to be common with successful businessmen, and it is not an admirable one.
 
CMatt25 said:
Hi Ishii, I’m not going to keep answering your same question. And I’m also not focused on national polls at this pt at all. As it’s all about one thing Ishii. The number 270.
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You don’t have an answer, Cmatt. You said Obama “won” the 2nd debate but after the 2nd debate Romney continued to rise in the polls. Its not about how many zingers you get in, Cmatt, but how many Americans move to your side after the debate - and clearly more Americans supported Romney after the 2nd debate. But the debate is old news - I would rather know how you can, in good conscience vote for a president who left an ambassador in Libya to die with 3 other Americans, then covered it up by making up a story about the attack being a spontaneous mob. Do you still support Obama in light of all this?

Ishii
 
epan said:
I should have said… voted for Obama.

I admired GW Bush, and Bill Clinton for sticking to their platforms. Both of them were predictable, in that way. Obviously, neither of them were perfect as leaders, and if you liked one of them, you probably disliked the other one. But I am referring to the basic integrity of saying what you mean to do, and then trying your best to do it.

President Obama has not done that. He speaks vaguely, and makes the same promises he made in 2008, but did not act upon. Governor Romney changes his positions, each time the winds shift. He is obviously saying whatever he thinks will win votes from his base, and from swing voters. My sense with each of them, is that they are not trustworthy, and that they are unreliable. It bothers me more that Romney is apparently untruthful, when he really has no cause to be. Lying is far too easy for him, in my opinion. That only comes with practice, and appears to be a pattern of behavior. I can’t stomach listening to that. He is not as Machiavellian and hard hearted as VP Cheney was, but he sends that same chill up one’s spine when he looks you straight in the eye, smiles, and tells a lie. Spooky.

This trait seems to be common with successful businessmen, and it is not an admirable one.
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I find your last comment offensive. Please explain how you come to the conclusion that most succussful businessmen lie. Also, please give examples of when Romney lied. Not examples of him changing his position, but him lying.

Ishii
 
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