Obama's day: National Prayer Breakfast

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Mexico got a little out of hand I would venture to say also. Cortez imho got a bit out of hand. But hey who am I to judge, I wasn’t there. But these Crusades are not going away so I do think the humility aspect Obama spoke about is imperative. I could only read through that and as a Christian apologize and hope we reached a more civil period of social transition.
 
I don’t defend atrocities either. But it appears that the President may think the Crusades occurred in a vacuum, as he did not acknowledge the aggression of the Muslims which had been going on practically from the time of Mohammed.
 
gardener50 said:
I don’t defend atrocities either. But it appears that the President may think the Crusades occurred in a vacuum, as he did not acknowledge the aggression of the Muslims which had been going on practically from the time of Mohammed.
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I think we should put an articulated response together for him, especially since Pope Francis will be here in a few months. He should in all fairness have the correct understanding from a Catholic perspective. However, Obama has a way of always upsetting people due to shallow remarks.

These moral equivalences are all over the media today, be it this is a terrible one, its a sign of the times.
 
And I would not forget El Cid, in other words, Spain and Portugal, the Iberian Peninsula conquered oh, for about 700 years, Rome was sacked too. And symbols which are two crossed swords expanded all the way over to Malaysia and Indonesia and the Philippines for that matter (for the record, I believe Boko Haram’s symbol is two crossed automatic weapons). And a Buddhist symbol is a Lotus Flower. Think about it.
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But yes, President Obama is correct that different faiths have seen and done this but if you had a body count, I have little doubt of what it would show.
 
I don’t know if the President realizes it, but it was as if he was defending Muslim atrocities of our current days. It was just such a disconnect, to reach back centuries ago to try to make a point.

The map accompanying the Franklin Graham article – as they say a picture is worth a thousand words. Is Obama aware of the history of that time?
 
I use to enjoy his fathers column in the daily news. But I think here for example…
“Mr. President–Many people in history have used the name of Jesus Christ to accomplish evil things for their own desires,” said Rev. Graham. “But Jesus taught peace, love and forgiveness. He came to give His life for the sins of mankind, not to take life.”
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“Mohammad on the contrary was a warrior and killed many innocent people,” said Rev. Graham. “True followers of Christ emulate Christ—true followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.”
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While the first paragraph is true, I don’t think the second is how we need to define all of Islam. Reminds me somewhat of Pope Benedict.

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gardener50 said:
I don’t know if the President realizes it, but it was as if he was defending Muslim atrocities of our current days. It was just such a disconnect,
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I don’t think so, I do think he is aware of the thinking that the only thing Mohammed bought was the sword, thus Mr Graham. Benedict later published Light of the World, his remarks are one of understanding how we are all going to live together in peace with tolerance. Its their holy book and faith and for them to define, thus their understanding of Mohammed. And Pope Francis and Coptic Orthodox Patriarch Tawadros II have separately said that while the terror is wrong, it is not right for people to insult the faith of others. Very similar to Obama, though unfortunate of the immature comparison and perhaps shaded view.
 
Typical liberal good think: Crusaders and inquisition were all evil and the Moslems were victims.
 
To some degree the thinking of Mr Graham is being addressed.
“Is it possible that 1.6 billion people (Muslims worldwide) should want to kill the rest of the world’s population—that is, 7 billion people—so that they themselves may live?” he asked. “Impossible.”
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The King of Jordan and the military are a bit too preoccupied with revenge. But, their understanding mimics Sisi to a lesser degree. In many ways Pope Benedict echoed the same thinking a decade ago. They need reform and I am all for supporting it.
 
GaryTaylor said:
I don’t think so, I do think he is aware of the thinking that the only thing Mohammed bought was the sword, thus Mr Graham.
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But surely, then, the President must have known that his words would upset at least some of the Christian population of this country.

And I do agree that people should not insult other people’s religions, and that we all have to learn to live peaceably with one another.
 
gardener50 said:
But surely, then, the President must have known that his words would upset at least some of the Christian population of this country.

And I do agree that people should not insult other people’s religions, and that we all have to learn to live peaceably with one another.
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Some of the Christian population who happen to be the majority ought to have a great moral leader walking in the light of Christ. Unfortunate Mr President doesn’t have the fullness of truth. That much is clear. I notice he didn’t end his speech in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit either. But still I am sure he believes in the God of Abraham somehow imperfectly.
 
Maybe the President ought to have the good manners to know that you don’t insult other people’s religion. 😉

And on that note, I’m done for the night. Thanks for the conversation.
 
gardener50 said:
Maybe the President ought to have the good manners to know that you don’t insult other people’s religion. 😉

And on that note, I’m done for the night. Thanks for the conversation.
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Yea, we will have to forgive his ignorance and Nancy and Joe and the rest in his party, but we could sure use a great moral Christian leader in 2016.

Peace
 
gardener50 said:
But surely, then, the President must have known that his words would upset at least some of the Christian population of this country.

And I do agree that people should not insult other people’s religions, and that we all have to learn to live peaceably with one another.
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Believe me - he knew exactly what he was doing!
 
He may have known more than he led on about Catholicism, hey he has Joe and Nancy, but I don’t think he knows exactly what he is doing. Thats way to much credit.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
Technically, he’s right. We killed Muslims in the name of God, in order to protect pilgrims travelling in the Holy Land.

I’m sure 'Bama’s intent with it is derogatory, but that doesn’t make him wrong.
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Actually the Crusades was more a defensive war. It was certainty a lot more than just protecting pilgrims. Lets not forget Islam had taken over half of Europe by the time of the first crusade. Christians should learn more about history.
Obama is joke
He should just come out of the religious closet already.
 
Clearly the opinion the the Crusades were a blot on the history of Christian people is open to debate, even by faithful Catholics. The question not resolved by the Catechism or the Code of Cannon Law or any other binding Church teaching. Therefore affirming that statement is not necessarily attacking anyone’s religion.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Clearly the opinion the the Crusades were a blot on the history of Christian people is open to debate, even by faithful Catholics. The question not resolved by the Catechism or the Code of Cannon Law or any other binding Church teaching. Therefore affirming that statement is not necessarily attacking anyone’s religion.
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Let’s assume that the Crusades were not a response to Muslim agression and conquest, but instead was the worst scourge ever to visit the planet. They happened 1000 years ago! Why bring them up if not to equate Christianity with the barbarous evil being perpetrated by IslamoNazis today? Y’know, some people will try to excuse Obama for anything. I suppose there is a good reason for Obama inviting Sharpton to the WH 84 times and barricading the open air WWII memorial during his partial government shutdown. Rob :confused:
 
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