Oh wait.....Trumps campaign was wire tapped after all

[josie_L]

The Church has not always been in favor of religious freedom and says nothing about limited government. Also, can we stop pretending the Republican Party is pro-life? They are anti-abortion. Perhaps some are truly pro-life but if they are there, they should speak louder.

Marriage equality follows from religious freedom so if you are truly for religious freedom than you should accept the beliefs of others. I’m not sure what’s meant by definitions of gender. That’s a windmill as far as I’m concerned, I wouldn’t start a battle with it.

I’m a bit tired of people claiming that the Republican Party is in line with Catholic teaching. It’s not, no political ideology is.

It is not a question of the Republican party being totally pro-Catholic on moral issues, it is that they are more so than the Democratic party. It is the same here in Canada, with the Liberal and Conservative party. By its very definition, to be conservative is to conserve/preserve, i.e., it is not the right pushing the moral envelop.

Moreover, gay marriage has nothing to do with religious freedom, i.e., even atheists can be against gay marriage as per the fundamentals of natural law. Therefore any distortions of the meaning of marriage will have societal repercussions on the most elemental part of it, i.e., the family.

 

[josie_L]

josie_L:

As for the poor, many conservatives do care about their plight (the approach may be different though), in fact, many lower/middle class voted for Trump because they felt their financial needs would be met.

And what, for goodness sake, has the Dem party done for the poor in the last few decades? The last thing either party did for the poor was the Earned Income Credit, and that was Reagan’s. When it comes to the poor and the working class, the Dem party is like the wastrel scion of a self-made millionaire, living off its patrimony.

Very true, but I did not want to get into a battle royale with the Democrats on CAF, i.e., they seem to think they still are the party of the poor/working class, but the last election kind of states otherwise. And it’s not for nothing that the Dem party is sometimes referred to as the coastal party:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.was...g-a-regional-party-just-look-at-these-2-maps/

 

[josie_L]

Nice, the way you slipped that incredibly judgmental thing about “progressives” in there. So anyone who isn’t a conservative is “pushing for constant moral degeneracy”?

That’s nonsense. Not to mention insulting.

However, insulting you may think it is, it is the left that has been pushing the moral envelop.

p.s. People are going to have to decide whether their faith or their politics comes first. Basically.

 

[F_Marturana]

You do realize that my post was about a press conference disguised as a Obama Birth certificate reveal.

I wasn’t discussing the birth certificate. I’m commenting that the press played his game and gave him a live platform to talk about his hotel.

Now, over the course of the years Trump had taken to Twitter 67 times to comment and question the location of Obama’s birth.

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/67-times-donald-trump-tweeted-birther-movement/story%3Fid=42145590

The but Hillary thing is getting really old. I didn’t vote for her. She’s not a candidate anymore.

 

[SuperLuigi]

they seem to think they still are the party of the poor/working class,

They’re not. The only question is can they get enough of those people in the Midwest and the Rust Belt
to take it on the chin for bread and circuses in the short term.

The answer is sometimes a big, fat YES.

p.s. People are going to have to decide whether their faith or their politics comes first. Basically.

And it’s a battle faith is losing short-term. Biggest problem in America isn’t the coasts, it’s the excuse-makers in the Midwest, Rust Belt and minority communities.

And really, voting for a guy like Trump (which I did) when your nation is on lifeline by 80,000 votes in key states is hardly worthy of applause.

These people better get their act together because America IS the last stand.

 

[F_Marturana]

I agree. People need to decide what comes first faith or politics.

Faith for me.

 

[josie_L]

josie_L:

Actually, I was aware of a couple from various sources, i.e., Youtube and Politico to be exact, but if you don’t believe Slate and/or the Washington Post, you can do your own search.

I can’t believe that of all the times the poster has falsely accused people of calling him a liar that he accuses you of being one.

I don’t lie, which is why I provided sources, although I’m not sure if he has or hasn’t read them, I’m betting he hasn’t because it doesn’t fit well into his narrative.

 

[josie_L]

You do realize that my post was about a press conference disguised as a Obama Birth certificate reveal.

I wasn’t discussing the birth certificate. I’m commenting that the press played his game and gave him a live platform to talk about his hotel.

Now, over the course of the years Trump had taken to Twitter 67 times to comment and question the location of Obama’s birth.

Redirect Notice

The but Hillary thing is getting really old. I didn’t vote for her. She’s not a candidate anymore.

The “but hillary” was meant to convey that the movement started with the left. Simply put.

 

[josie_L]

I’d give you more than two thumbs up for that comment. God bless.

 

[Jig_Saw]

If the Wikileaks leaks are to be credited as real, the DNC does support “Catholic” organizations that dissent from Church teachings. To my knowledge (and apparently to yours as well) the RNC does not.

I realize, when it comes to the HHS Mandate, you believe Obama is more in line with Catholic teachings than are the Little Sisters of the Poor, Notre Dame, the Sisters of Life, the USCCB and other Catholic organizations, but I have not yet seen any bishop who endorses the mandate.

Well, again, I don’t really see the theological argument and the information you presented from many of your sources seems to be before the compromise. Again, I see a great deal of Catholic organizations just signed the form, making me not exactly feel I am off base for not understanding the theology that argues you can’t.

have seen people on CAF refer, sometimes, to LifeSiteNews. Maybe someone has quoted Church Militant, though I missed it if someone did. But regardless, in what way does either of them say anything contrary to the teachings of the Church. Maybe they do, but I have never seen anybody make that claim.

Depends if you think Church teachings includes obedience and charity. If you don’t, I’m sure you’ll enjoy their funky combinations of Republican politics and Church teaching while bashing bishops and the Pope.

 

[Theo520]

He was given more free airtime than the others. Much more, in fact. The media might have been anti-Trump but they certainly didn’t stop him from talking, which he took every advantage of.

His opponents got the equivalent of several billion $ in free negative advertising.

 

[ProVobis]

Not for over 30 years.

Interesting that he lost Iowa after he decided to skip a debate.

Imagine if the press had ignored him altogether.

 

[Inisfallen]

People are going to have to decide whether their faith or their politics comes first. Basically.

My faith comes first, of course. I made that decision a long time ago. That’s when I became what you’d call a “progressive.” Funny how that works.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, again, I don’t really see the theological argument and the information you presented from many of your sources seems to be before the compromise.

They continued the lawsuit after the bogus “compromise”, and precisely because the “compromise” was an attempt to get the Little Sisters and other Catholic organizations to “compromise” their faith. The lawsuit only ended when Trump’s abrogation of the Mandate made it moot.

And you have not provided any reference to an authority in the Church who adheres to your position, or ever did.

And again, I’m not at all familiar with LifeSiteNews or Church Militant, but you act as if you are. So what, specifically, has either of them said that is contrary to the teachings of the Church? No generalities. Give us some specifics.

And I’m not a Republican and never have been one.

 

[petra22]

The but Hillary thing is getting really old. I didn’t vote for her. She’s not a candidate anymore.

The only reason the Hilary thing keeps coming up is because people keep asking how could you vote for someone like DT???

 

[7_Sorrows]

7_Sorrows:

Trump is doing a great job. Just because you don’t like Trump, don’t deny the rest of us the right of supporting him and praising him.

How do you base he is dong a great job? He hasn’t signed any major legislation. He isn’t building the wall. He has ticked off a lot of the US’s allies. He hasn’t locked up Hillary. Help me out here.

He is getting our country back on track.
ISIS is being defeated. He is tackling the
problems and issues head on despite those bitter crybaby politicians trying to obstruct him. We are facing reality.

 

[7_Sorrows]

F_Marturana:

The but Hillary thing is getting really old. I didn’t vote for her. She’s not a candidate anymore.

The only reason the Hilary thing keeps coming up is because people keep asking how could you vote for someone like DT???

Poor Hillary broke her toe and has had to cancel many interviews on her book tour which has worked to her advantage because the Harvey Weinstein questions were turning up the heat on her.

 

[petra22]

Is this for real–about the broken toe?

 

[7_Sorrows]

Is this for real–about the broken toe?

Yes, she was walking down some stairs wearing high heels and carrying a cup of hot
coffee and supposedly fell. She was shown on one show wearing a surgical boot.
At least, that is the story being told.
She was not in the U.S. when it happened.
I think England. She thanked their wonderful national health service!

 

[Jig_Saw]

They continued the lawsuit after the bogus “compromise”, and precisely because the “compromise” was an attempt to get the Little Sisters and other Catholic organizations to “compromise” their faith. The lawsuit only ended when Trump’s abrogation of the Mandate made it moot.

And you have not provided any reference to an authority in the Church who adheres to your position, or ever did.

So, your point of view is that the Little Sisters were the only organization willing to stand up for their faith and all organizations that signed the letter saying they were not willing to pay for contraceptives were less than faithful. I guess I would tend to disagree. It seems like the vast majority signed the letter and hence, seem to believe they weren’t morally compromising themselves. That would be a reference to those that adhere to my position.