On the frontline of Europe’s forgotten war in Ukraine

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Profete said:
such racial discrimination was unthinkable in the USSR.
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One could ask the Chechens what they think about that. One could, indeed, ask Jews, Yakuts, Tatars, ethnic Koreans in the Russian Far East, and others. With them, it wasn’t lunch counters, but death by deportation, starvation and shooting.

One can find a lot of good things about the Russian people, but one cannot and should not, ignore the huge crimes in which they played a part.
 
In Ukraine in power the moderate nationalists, not the extreme nationalists. People still are not happy with the atchievements of the government.
Many extreme nationalists are now at war, in the army, their mission is needed there.
They are idealistic people. In the war among the volunteers, you will not see gay people, hedonists ,hesitantors, or people with Russian views, only motivated people with high ideals among the warriors.
Due to the United States, the people of Ukraine still have hope in the fight against corruption and strengthening of democratic freedoms.
I believe that the United States should pay more attention in the fight against corruption in Ukraine, because often the Kremlin-Tel Aviv-offshores networks discreetly withdrawing from the citizens of Ukraine billions of dollars.
 
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The strengthening of Ukrainian identity and the amputation of Russophilia in Ukraine is a good omen for the future, but if there’s a power in Europe which will be able to resist the gravity of the mass of the Russian bear, this is good for the future of civilized world.
The bigger, stronger, richer and powerful Russia, the more it will terrorize in the future the countries of the civilized community.
Ukraine under the Russian boot will not be the end of the story, because then it will begin in the Baltics, in the Balkans, in Eastern Europe.
 
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Today before the new year began the phase of exchange of prisoners. This is a very comforting event for soldiers and theirs families.
Unfortunately with experience of similar practice it is known that many people need time to mentally recover.
I remembered the case of a young Ukrainian soldier, whose arm was cutted off just because he had a tattoo of the coat of arms of Ukraine.
This young guy being in the hospital without a hand, wanted to hurry back to his friends to continue the fight.
For those whose psyche could not stand the memories of past horrors, there are sometimes cases of fatal despair.
In the initial stage of the war, the professional Ukrainian soldiers of the battalion “Aydar” were not taken as prisoner but were shot.
Not a few soldiers had gone missing.
No wonder the reservoirs of Donetsk, have the large crayfish, and there were cases when after explosions the soldiers bodies were torn to pieces.
All this of course is terrible.
But the comforting fact today is that during this war both parties are able to negotiate the exchange of prisoners of war and some soldiers can finally meet their families.
 
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In fact, the peoples of the Siberia and North Caucasus are the proud peoples.
The grandfathers and fathers of those nations would tell their generations about the past persecutions, before, during , and after the communism.
Special services keep a close eye on nationalist movements and sharply cut off those who are truly fighting for political independence.
Russian news do not report about the national liberation movements there. If something is reported in a contorted form, the national heroes on the news are portrayed as terrorists.
In republics of Tuva, Yakutia, Sakha, in the North Caucasus, the national pride and identity is high enough, hopefully the time will come when these nations will rise up for the independent political freedoms.
 
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“The People of Ukraine put hope in USA to fight corruption in Ukraine.” - Athanasiy

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Don’t give in to whataboutery. Invoking the US’s treatment of people a century and a half ago to justify much more recent Soviet or Russian conduct is absurd.
 
Athanasiy said:
the Kremlin-Tel Aviv-offshores networks discreetly withdrawing from the citizens of Ukraine billions of dollars.
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First they tell us that Russia discriminates against Jews, now they tell us that Russia is working with the Jews to withdraw money from Ukraine. Which is it? There is no doubt that the great hero of western Ukraine is Stepan Bandera and that he cooperated with Nazi Germany at the beginning of WWII. Further, he was awarded the title of hero of Ukraine, and this award was condemned by the European Parliament and the Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Jewish organizations. Bandera’s program called for hostility and eradication of Jews living in Ukraine. His organization spread leaflets calling for the destruction of Russians and Jews in the country. In 1941, German police praised the followers of Bandera for their hostility to the Jews.
 
Lenin was sent in a German western train to destroy Russia, create fake nation Ukraine, bring more division and boost anti-Orthodox Church activities in entire country by spreading chaos and horror.
Russians and Ukrainians are the same People divided by Lenin.
The “Greek Catholic Church of Ukraine” or the so called Uniates, considered themselves to be Poles or Russians, they did not know back then for the “Ukrainian” nation. When USSR was established, Greek Catholics became fiery pro-NAZI Ukrainian nationalists led by war criminal Bandera. In other words, they were instrumentalized by who knows who to weaken Russia and Orthodox Church in Ukraine.
As long Western Church keeps poking Orthodox Church in Ukraine, you prolong the tragic Schism.
 
You mean the modern day US that bombed millions to death by napalm bombs in Korea and Vietnam, or the a bit older US that nuked Japanese civilians to force Japan to surrender? Or the modern day US that killed over million of People in Iraq?

When 9/11 happened, we could not hear the end of your whining, but when you kill million People in Iraq, then it is okay.
 
Profete said:
Lenin was sent in a German western train to destroy Russia, create fake nation Ukraine, bring more division and boost anti-Orthodox Church activities in entire country by spreading chaos and horror.

Russians and Ukrainians are the same People divided by Lenin.

The “Greek Catholic Church of Ukraine” or the so called Uniates, considered themselves to be Poles or Russians, they did not know back then for the “Ukrainian” nation. When USSR was established, Greek Catholics became fiery pro-NAZI Ukrainian nationalists led by war criminal Bandera. In other words, they were instrumentalized by who knows who to weaken Russia and Orthodox Church in Ukraine.

As long Western Church keeps poking Orthodox Church in Ukraine, you prolong the tragic Schism.
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The Germans sent Lenin to Russia because he wanted to take Russia out of the war. The Lutheran Prussians didn’t give a fig about the Russian Orthodox Church.

Russians and Ukrainians are similar peoples, but they’re not the “same” people. That’s why Ukrainians want their own nation, and not be part of Russia.

Some Ukrainians considered themselves part of the Austro-Hungarian empire long ago, but that doesn’t mean they considered themselves Austrians or Hungarians, either one. And neither did they consider themselves Poles or Russians. I am told by Ukrainians that calling a western Ukrainian a “Pole” is an insult.

But I think you are making clear that you have no use for Byzantine Catholics; perhaps not for any kind of Catholics. We have seen Orthodox anti-Catholicism on here before.
 
Profete said:
You mean the modern day US that bombed millions to death by napalm bombs in Korea and Vietnam, or the a bit older US that nuked Japanese civilians to force Japan to surrender? Or the modern day US that killed over million of People in Iraq?
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Every last number is untrue. Every one. And America does not occupy a single one of those countries. Russia needs to get out of Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia and stop threatening the peace in Europe.

And let’s not get too righteous about nukes, either. After all, it was the Patriarch of Moscow who recently called Putin’s nukes the “breastplate of Orthodoxy”.
 
I too thank God for Russian nukes, without them, US would destroy Russia as it has destroyed many other countries, but not officially occupy them, so it would be just fine. And when US leaves Texas, Hawai and Guam, then ask Russia to leave Crimea. Or maybe if you all move back to Europe and leave what’s little left of Natives alone in their own land, maybe then Russia really leaves Crimea. lol
 
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No, Ukrainians are Russians brainwashed by the Communist Party to be “Ukrainians”.
It is the official attitude of the Orthodox Church that there is no use for the “Byzantine Catholics”, Moscow Patriarchate called it a “Bleeding wound on the Body of Christ.” Constantinople Patriarchate asked pope John Paul II not to celebrate anniversary of the Brestlistovsk Union.
Even Pope Francis said that it was a wrong approach and that it wont happen anymore.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
Russia needs to get out of Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia and stop threatening the peace in Europe.
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NATO tanks were marching in Moldova and there were huge demonstrations against NATO demanding that NATO get out of the region. 15% of the population speak Russian as their daily language, so it would be wrong to ethnically cleanse Moldova of all Russians. To say that all Russians need to get out of Moldova would be like saying that all Hispanics need to get out of the USA.
The threat to peace comes from the USA which is marching NATO troops and tanks in Moldova, in spite of the huge demonstrations against it.
 
Profete said:
I too thank God for Russian nukes, without them, US would destroy Russia as it has destroyed many other countries, but not officially occupy them, so it would be just fine. And when US leaves Texas, Hawai and Guam, then ask Russia to leave Crimea. Or maybe if you all move back to Europe and leave what’s little left of Natives alone in their own land, maybe then Russia really leaves Crimea. lol
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The U.S. had the chance to destroy Russia with nukes when the U.S. had a monopoly on them, and didn’t.

Apparently you don’t realize millions of Americans have some Indian heritage in their DNA. So why do they all have to go to Europe? And there are more people with Indian “blood” in the U.S. now than there ever were before 1492. What nonsense! If everyone with any European blood had to go to Europe, that would include nearly all the blacks and nearly all the “native Americans”, and no economy at all.

So you approve of Russia’s conquests, I take it. Why stop with Ukraine? Why not Poland, Finland, Sweden, Germany, all the places the Soviet Union conquered and kept under submission after WWII?

Why not all of the Americas, for that matter? After all, the Moscow Patriarchate claims the Latin Church should not be anywhere in the Americas, almost none of Europe,no part of Asia or Africa; all of them being the “proper” territory of the Moscow branch of the E.O. Since the Russian branch of Eastern Orthodoxy is basically an arm of the state, then why shouldn’t the Russian state under Putin have similar ambitions?

Probably it does, but just doesn’t have the population or economy to pull it off. And too, probably most Russians don’t really share the territorial ambitions of the Moscow patriarchy.

And it’s not just the Byzantine Catholics Moscow wants out of Ukraine. It doesn’t want the Constantinople E.O. there either, and certainly not those who adhere to the Kiev patriarchy. And you wonder why Ukrainians fear a repeated Russian genocide?

The U.S. and other countries, including Russia, did have imperialistic periods, particularly (as with TExas) when there was virtually no population there. But the west has grown out of that as it became more civilized. Why hasn’t Russia?
 
Moldova is not a NATO member, and never was. You shouldn’t so readily believe Putin’s propaganda. The primary language of Moldova is Romanian, and the conquered part of Moldova has about the same number of Ukrainian speakers as Russian speakers…a minority in both cases. Nobody wants to “ethnically cleanse” Moldova of its Russian speakers. But neither is their presence a justification for Russian conquest.

But virtually all Norwegians speak excellent English. Does that mean America or Canada or England would be justified in conquering all or part of Norway? Should America conquer Canada or Britain? Huge number of Asian Indians speak English. Does that mean the U.S. would be justified it taking those parts of India where it is widely spoken? Every student in Romania is REQUIRED to take English in school by the government. Does that give the U.S. license to conquer Romania?

Well, then there’s the Philippines. Did you know that the two foremost universities in the Philippines teach classes only in English? Did you know English is the written language of official documents there?

During the imperial era, the U.S. did take the Philippines from Spain but later granted its independence. Russia needs to do the same in Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. Time for Putin’s mercenary armies to get out. Long past time.
 
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First of all, Russia was found in Ukraine and has right to seize it, more than EU or USA.
Second, Moscow Patriarchate does not claim universal jurisdiction, you are claiming that universal jurisdiction is so evil, but actually it is only the Church of Rome that teaches something like that. Moscow Patriarchate and Constantinople Patriarchate both want to stay away from each other’s jurisdictions. It is the Church of Rome that claims universal jurisdictions, Moscow’s jurisdictions is huge because Russia is huge.

USA was actually thinking of nuking both Russia and China, you feel saddened because it did not happen.

Ukrainians did not fear anything until US funded Maidan did not happen, now birthplace of Russia is under the direct control of the Russia’s enemies, and you wonder why Russia is paranoid.
 
Profete said:
First of all, Russia was found in Ukraine and has right to seize it, more than EU or USA.

Second, Moscow Patriarchate does not claim universal jurisdiction, you are claiming that universal jurisdiction is so evil, but actually it is only the Church of Rome that teaches something like that. Moscow Patriarchate and Constantinople Patriarchate both want to stay away from each other’s jurisdictions. It is the Church of Rome that claims universal jurisdictions, Moscow’s jurisdictions is huge because Russia is huge.

USA was actually thinking of nuking both Russia and China, you feel saddened because it did not happen.

Ukrainians did not fear anything until US funded Maidan did not happen, now birthplace of Russia is under the direct control of the Russia’s enemies, and you wonder why Russia is paranoid.
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The Kievan Rus was, indeed, the initial state of the Rus. But it did not remain so very long.

Begging your pardon, but there have been E.O. on this forum for many years, and when pressed admit that the Moscow Patriarchate claims territorial jurisdiction over practically the whole world. And it’s different because the Moscow E.O. is exclusivist. Rome does not demand that any religion leave anywhere. It only claims the right to be anywhere itself. The Moscow Patriarchy does not think Latin or Byzantine Catholicism or Constantinople E.O. should be anywhere within the lands the Moscow Patriarchy claims for itself, which is practically the whole world. If you are a Moscow E.O. you know that, or should. And it does not believe the Kiev patriarchate should be anywhere on the planet at all.

“Thinking” is not “doing”. The U.S. nuked neither Russia nor China. And that the U.S. didn’t do it saddens me not at all. I’m glad of it.

Ukrainians fear Russia because Russia has been a hard master when it controlled Ukraine. Millions of Ukrainian deaths gave them a justifiable reason to fear Russia. Do you really think those Ukrainians who were scattered to the winds by Russians and their mercenaries in eastern Ukraine love Russia? Do you really think those who give their lives to defend Ukraine against those Russian armies do it because of the U.S.? That’s madness.

Russia might be paranoid because Putin lies to the people there. But she has no reason whatever to fear the west. Do you forget that Putin himself wanted Russia to join NATO, but was turned down because NATO only accepts democracies?
 
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