On the frontline of Europe’s forgotten war in Ukraine

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You can judge by the actions. Russia promotes its interests in Europe and Eurasia by illegal means, in particular affecting elections in other countries, and “thus undermines European unity”. Also, the Russian authorities accused of money laundering in very sophisticated corrupt practices on the European continent, they lead campaigns of disinformation with the help of Russian state-controlled media and persecution of the free press and opposition in the country.
Their special services long and hard for many years were preparing for the war in Ukraine and invested a lot of money in future war.
I see no reasons to idealize Russia.
 
The war in Ukraine was inevitable because the special services for a very long time were preparing for this war.
On both sides, the nationalist elements were pitted against each other thanks to media for years, and often with staged scenes, as it was for example on the Russian TV channels on may 9 in Lviv.
Аrtificially made it look like a beated up war veterans by Ukrainian Nazis. I lived in a peaceful and hospitable Lviv a few years, so I know who and why was doing a horror stories about neo Nazis.
The theme of mutual hatred , and the theme of neo-Nazis and fascists, have been hammered to viewers over the years.
The owners of the television channels(the moneybegs) promoted the extreme nationalists , and these extreme nationalists for the intelligentsia people were considered as a marginal cave ideas screamers.
More penetrating older people understood that it is indoctrination and preparation for the future war.
In the initial stage of war confrontation, those who opposed the war had been discredited or even died in a car accident.
Famous Ukrainian singer who vehemently criticized the war as a mutual agreement of corrupt jewish elites died in a car accident.
( Singer Skriabin, whо in one of his songs mentions the rats which gnaw the bottom of the ship.
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Far more powerful enemies than puppet NAZI Poroshenko have attempted to destroy Russia and they all failed miserably. LGBT USA does not stand a chance, no matter how many Maidans it organizes. lol

About the so called Byzantine Catholics, there is no use for them in the possible future Reunification, until then, in the eyes of the Orthodox Christians they are the painful remainder of Rome’s plots against Orthodoxy.
 
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I want to believe that the Russian Federation itself would collapse.
Very many people dream about it.
 
But before that happens, your Ukraine has already collapsed, no matter how many unintelligent neo-NAZIs you send to die for corrupted Ukraine in Eastern Ukraine.
 
dvdjs said:
Why not a simple answer to my simple question:
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Because you are not taking into account the fact that Communists tried to black out religion, whereas Putin is supporting the recovery of the Orthodox Church. Why do people hate Putin and call him names when he is restoring Russian Orthodox Christianity? Why do so many people hate Russia and the Russian Orthodox church? You should make an effort to attend a Russian Orthodox Divine Liturgy and see its beauty.


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Athanasiy said:
Famous Ukrainian singer who vehemently criticized the war as a mutual agreement of corrupt jewish elites died in a car accident.
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This is an example of neo-nazism where people blame the jews or the jewish elites for all their problems.
 
AlNg said:
Because you are not taking into account the fact that Communists tried to black out religion, whereas Putin is supporting the recovery of the Orthodox Church. Why do people hate Putin and call him names when he is restoring Russian Orthodox Christianity? Why do so many people hate Russia and the Russian Orthodox church? You should make an effort to attend a Russian Orthodox Divine Liturgy and see its beauty.
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According to the source I posted, regular church attendance in Russia is 8%, fewer even than Catholics in resolutely secular and anti-clerical France, and far, far below even Italy which is well-known for its poor church attendance.

Building or rebuilding churches does not, in itself, mean the people are religious in practice. Kansas City, Missouri has perhaps more fountains than any other city in the U.S. They’re beautiful monuments, but they serve no practical function. Nobody drinks from them, bathes in them or washes their clothing in them. They’re just “eye candy”.
 
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Profete said:
About the so called Byzantine Catholics, there is no use for them in the possible future Reunification,
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That is probably true at an institutional level, things work very differently, however, at the individual level.

“Profete said:
until then, in the eyes of the Orthodox Christians they are the painful remainder of Rome’s plots against Orthodoxy.
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Something for you on the healing of memory:
http://www.americancatholicpress.org/Father_Taft_Anamnesis_Not_Amnesia.html

The biggest barrier to unity is the phony historical narratives that have reached nearly to the level of dogma in the Churches. The ROC sounds positively Soviet when it talks of history, as does anyone who sees the Unia with such superficiality as to characterize them as Rome’s plots against Orthodoxy. It is a comfortable posture that facilitates the ROC’s stubborn blindness towards to the murder and mayhem that it committed against Greek Catholics at every opportunity.
 
Unia was the plot against the Orthodox Church, it attempted to subject Eastern Patriarchates to the universal authority of the Bishop of Rome. It caused great pain and even wars in the lands populated by Orthodox Christians. To this day Ukraine is divided over it, only because Rome innovated unievrsal jurisdiction and tried to submit Eastern Churches to it.
 
I believe it is the US that will collapse by a civil war between far right racists and far left liberals. Even today they shoot each other, trample with cars and protest against each other violently.
 
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AlNg said:
You should make an effort to attend a Russian Orthodox Divine Liturgy and see its beauty.
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LOL. I have been attending Divine Liturgy since birth and cantoring and leading scholas for decades - including services at Byzantine Catholic and Orthodox parishes.

I am hopeful about the restoration of religious practice in former Communist areas. You may even understand the joy of witnessing the resurrection of Greek Catholicism in the old countries - long-thought dead after its violent liquidation, the seizure of its properties, and the coercive transfer of Greek Catholics in the OC.

Moving forward, i do not even care that the ROC steadfastly refuses to acknowledge, let alone apologize for its collaboration in all of this. I am more concerned that the RO has so quickly allowed itself to loose its way to become an arm of the Putin government. When the source of good is corrupted by its collaboration with evil, they become the white-washed sepulchers that Christ warned of.
 
Profete said:
Unia was the plot against the Orthodox Church,
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I realize that you are indefatigable in propagating he party line. Sadly, that party line has scant resemblance to the truth. You really ought to read Taft’s essay.
 
The greatest haters of Orthodoxy are Byzantine Catholics.

There is a saying “Converted Turk must always be a greater Turk than the real Turk.”

In other words, Byzantine Catholics, in order to justify their historical choices, they must hate their previous Orthodox identity. That is why they were fiery supporters of Hitler and ruthless in genocide against the Orthodox Russians. In their mentality, they think that if they destroy all Russians, no one there will be to remind them of their origins.

Who is most likely to fight Russians in Eastern Ukraine? Byzantine Catholic Ukrainians, even though they live in Western Ukraine.
 
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“Byzantine Catholic” Liturgy is watered down Orthodox Liturgy.
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There are variances in practice all around. From Church to Church, from priest to priest. There is an old complaint: “Every priest is his own Typikon” .

When I chant matins in an Orthodox church, I use my own BCC matins book because it is easy to follow. Apart from some distinctionsin translation, there is only one structural difference: an added petition in the Great Litany for our Holy Father, Pope of Rome.
 
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Byzantine Catholics in Ukraine have embraced that pathetic charismatic movement.
 
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