On the frontline of Europe’s forgotten war in Ukraine

[dvdjs]

That is why they were fiery supporters of Hitler and ruthless in genocide against the Orthodox Russians. In their mentality, they think that if they destroy all Russians, no one there will be to remind them of their origins.

You write such amazing things!

I suppose this fear of Byzantine Catholics is used to justify the aggression of the ROC against them. But the history is weirdly inverted. Try this: Russia knows that it stole its culture from Rus’. In their mentality, if they destroy the continuing tradition of Rus’ in Ukraine, no one will be able to challenge their myth by reminding them of their theft and their real origins. (DNA?)

 

[Profete]

Russia cant steel anything from Ukraine, because Ukraine is Russia. It was called Kievan RUS (Russia).
We all know that Ukrainian national identity was forged in the fiery chaos of Lenin’s communist revolution.

 

[niceatheist]

The fact that Ukrainian is a seperate language than Russian belies your claim. It’s like trying to claim there are no English, just Germans.

 

[dvdjs]

The fact that Ukrainian is a seperate language than Russian belies your claim. It’s like trying to claim there are no English, just Germans.

Which is why, under Russian control, there has been a great effort to replace Ukrainian language with Russian in Ukraine,

 

[Athanasiy]

You see you also joined the chorus of two mutually hateful forces of black and white reality.
It seems that we are in the book of disaster on the same line. We see a black and white movie

 

[niceatheist]

You see you also joined the chorus of two mutually hateful forces of black and white reality.
It seems that we are in the book of disaster on the same line. We see a black and white movie

You mean sort of like the Jews always end up playing villainous roles in your accounts of what’s going on in Eastern Europe?

 

[Athanasiy]

Accidentally, paradox, I am still exploring this , and I can’t solve this enigma

 

[niceatheist]

Accidentally, paradox, I am still exploring this , and I can’t solve this enigma

Sure you can. It’s easy. There’s a long sordid history of anti-Semitism in Europe, and while no European peoples is entirely innocent of the charge, there’s long been a particularly virulent strain of anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe, which still, surprising as it may seem, persists to this day. One of the more notorious aspects of anti-Semitism is to basically blame social ills, like say, organized crime, on Jews, either be inventing or inflating the role of Jews in such an enterprise.

Let’s never forget for one single second that the birthplace of the fraud known as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, that favorite anti-Semitic screed among Jew haters, was Russia.

 

[Athanasiy]

I agree. Very much anti-Semitic literature in Russian language. It is possible that even in the Arab language there is no as much anti-semitic material as in Russian.
I don’t understand the Jewish Russophile. Just don’t understand. What did they achieve? To undermine the European Union? I can’t get it.
I mean - why to sell weapons to Russians?

 

[AlNg]

Eventually it probably will in some manner, as it governs too many unwilling peoples.

The USA has many peoples unwilling to accept the current President. Some have even called to impeach Trump. Democrats were united in their opposition to his tax plan. There is even a movement for California to exit the USA.

 

[niceatheist]

Ridgerunner:

Eventually it probably will in some manner, as it governs too many unwilling peoples.

The USA has many peoples unwilling to accept the current President. Some have even called to impeach Trump. Democrats were united in their opposition to his tax plan. There is even a movement for California to exit the USA.

There’s no more a meaningful movement for California’s secession than there is for Texas’s. A few crackpots talking big. As to Trump, yes, a lot of people don’t like him as President, but then again, lots of people didn’t like Obama, Bush or Clinton as President either. I’m old enough to remember when some folks thought Reagan’s election was the sign of the End Times.

Honestly, I’m doubtful even if the Democrats take the House (a fairly strong likelihood at this point), that they will actually go through with an attempt at impeachment; unless Mueller comes up with some real dynamite. More likely, they’ll use their legislative power to pretty much shut down the Administration. If they manage to control the Senate next year (an iffier proposition), then the dreams of some here of a stacked Conservative court will evaporate as well.

But impeachment, I don’t think so. I’ve read some Democrats who seem to believe if they light that fire, even where they have no hope at all of actually removing him from office, it could be politically destabilizing, and attempts at impeachment will become regular fare.

Anyways, far off topic.

 

[AlNg]

There’s a long sordid history of anti-Semitism in Europe, and while no European peoples is entirely innocent of the charge, there’s long been a particularly virulent strain of anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe, which still, surprising as it may seem, persists to this day. One of the more notorious aspects of anti-Semitism is to basically blame social ills, like say, organized crime, on Jews, either be inventing or inflating the role of Jews in such an enterprise.

Anti-semitism has been a talking point for the neo-Nazis in Ukraine. The hero of western Ukraine, Stepan Bandera was allied with the German Nazis at the beginning of WWII.

 

[AlNg]

I suppose this fear of Byzantine Catholics is used to justify the aggression of the ROC against them. But the history is weirdly inverted.

Not really. The Ukrainian Greek Catholic priest Father Mikhaylo Arsenych has called for death by hanging of all those who oppose Ukrainian nationalism, and called to kick out all Chinese, Negroes, Jews and Russians from Ukraine.
A former Roman Catholic priest, who was an adviser to the Vatican, Father Constantine Simon, has said that the most important goal for the Greek Catholic Church is to spread the extreme version of Ukrainian nationalism. And with that to spread russophobia. Everything that is Russian is bad for the Greek Catholics.

 

[dvdjs]

Father Mikhaylo Arsenych

If you know of Fr Arsenych, you then presumably also know this:

The Head of the UGCC and the Chief Rabbi of Ukraine condemned \

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news.ugcc.ua

Sorry to see Fr Simon shilling for the MP. Extreme version of Ukrainian nationalism? What is that? Wanting independence from Moscow? That is not extreme.

Russophobia is a natural reaction in countries bordering Russia, owing to the ussia’a bad acts.

Everything that is Russian is bad for the Greek Catholics.

Perhaps so. What a shame that Russia persecutes them.

 

[Athanasiy]

Their ecclesiology is expansionism and pyramid championship. For Ukrainians, Greeks, Caucasians and many other peoples its unacceptable.

 

[AlNg]

What a shame that Russia persecutes them.

It is the other way around as can be seen when a Ukrainian Greek Catholic priest calls for death by hanging of the opposition and when Ukrainians throw eggs at a Russian Orthodox icon of the Mother of God.

 

[dvdjs]

It is the other way around as can be seen when a Ukrainian Greek Catholic priest calls for death by hanging of the opposition and when Ukrainians throw eggs at a Russian Orthodox icon of the Mother of God.

Unacceptable false equivalence.

The priest in question spoke for himself, not his church or his nation; he was rebuked by his Patriarch.

Russia with collaboration from its people in the ROC, outlawed, forcibly liquidated, and seized the assets of the Greek Catholic Churches in the territories that it controlled. Imagine that your church was declared illegal! This act also included the incarceration and murder of Church leaders, and threats against anyone who worked to keep the church alive.

The MP steadfastly refuses to apologize for its horrible actions, or to acknowledge the salient facts. It brazenly lies about these events.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The USA has many peoples unwilling to accept the current President. Some have even called to impeach Trump. Democrats were united in their opposition to his tax plan. There is even a movement for California to exit the USA.

I haven’t heard any shooting yet, have you?

 

[AlNg]

I haven’t heard any shooting yet, have you?

Unfortunately, yes, in the USA. I have heard of shootings of unarmed blacks by police.

 

[AlNg]

The priest in question spoke for himself, not his church or his nation; he was rebuked by his Patriarch.

Unfortunately he was not alone but had a following. Have you spoken to many Greek Catholics from western Ukraine recently? I have personally, and although they did not call for execution by hanging of all Russians, nevertheless, they insisted that all Russians should leave Ukraine immediately. And you seem to forget that the national and great hero of western ukraine is Stepan Bandera. His picture comes up all the time in marches by ukrainian nationalists.