On the religion of Islam

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If you don’t rely on the CCC for Church teaching, neither I nor any other faithful Catholic can help you.
 
No it isn’t. But it is part of the Church’s magisterial teaching, the Church’s doctrine. Which means, as Catholics, we owe it , under pain of sin, at a minimum our intellectual assent.

This focus that has raised its head the last few years about what teaching is infallible or not is really unsettling. Used to be it was the progressives of the Church who always brought it up. But now it seems to be raised more often by the traditionalists and conservatives. It is really bad, IMO. Its not that it is not an important matter understanding what is dogmatic and what teaching is not dogmatic. But the implication that “well its infallible, so I can just ignore it” is really, really not a good thing.

Rant over.
 
Of course Jesus is God! Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.
 
+Fr. Gruner went to his eternal reward Apr. 29, 2015. De mortuis nihil nisi bonum.
 
Both Jews and Muslims believe that there is one Person Who Is God but Catholics believe that the one True God is in three Divine Persons - +Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So how can we worship the same God? It makes no sense.
 
No. Muslims consider Our Lord Jesus Christ as only a prophet, yet it is written in the Koran that Jesus, not Mohammed, will judge the living and the dead. That doesn’t make any sense either. If Jesus is only a prophet (according to the Koran), then why would He judge the living and the dead (again, according to the Koran)? Either Jesus is God or He is not.

Jesus Himself has told us through the Apostles via Scripture, Tradition and founding the Catholic Church that He is God.

Act of Faith

O my God, I firmly believe that Thou art one God in three Divine Persons, +Father, Son and Holy Ghost; that Thy Divine Son became man and died for our sins, and that He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe these and all the truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived. Amen.
 
Islam is a little bit like Mormonism; correction it is a lot like Mormonism. Both use words common with Christianity however the root meanings are very different, hence communication will be very confusing and frustrating. It may serve all well to attempt an agreement on word definitions before entering into a serious dialog.

It is the appointed Christian task to correctly present the gospel along with related doctrinal subjects. It is not our task to produce a convert, God may send someone else but regardless any genuine conversion will be the work of the Holy Spirit to the glory of Jesus Christ.

Some unavoidable dialog stumbling blocks:

-The Holy Trinity (Neither allah nor god the Father are equivalent to the Holy Trinity)
-God inspired scripture (koran and book of Mormon are not equal to the Holy Bible)
-Covenant between God and Israel (Jews have had a special role)
-Preincarnate Christ (Jesus spoke the world into existance)
-Virgin Birth of Jesus (There can be no mistake about Mary being a virgin when Jesus was born, it was definitely prophesied)
-Sinfulness of all men
-Vicarious atonement for all sin by Jesus
-Victorious resurrection by Jesus which guarantees resurrection for those redeemed
-Authority of the Apostles
-The mystery of the Church
-The White Throne Judgement (whosoever is not named in the Book of Life will receive everlasting punishment). Hint: we (mankind) do not get to makes the rules.
 
I would encourage you to read the blog post of Edward Fesser I linked above, he explains how the are the same God. Simply put, is God the necessary being, whose essense is His existence, who created all things? If one believes in that God, it’s the same God. One might have a misunderstandings about him beyond that, but it’s the same God.
One cannot read the old testament and believe that the Jewish God is not the same God as the Christian. Yet they deny the Blessed Trinity. Did God have to reveal the Blessed Trinity to the Jews for them to worship Him? Obviously not.
 
As Muslims believe Allah is God of all men, so Christians believe Jesus is God of all men. It doesn’t matter what religion you follow
 
It most certainly matters what religion you follow. We may worship the same God, but we have vast differences in A) our understanding of God and B) our knowledge of how to use God’s gifts, indeed even what those gifts are, to aid in our salvation and C) the commands of God himself.

God desires our understanding of Him, hence his Divine Revelation
God has granted us the sacraments as a means of His grace
God has provided us an understanding of good and evil through His revelation

Nothing in this discussion is meant to imply any type of equivalence between Island and Christianity.
 
Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964

“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
 
Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, known in history as ‘El Cid’, was one of the staunchest defenders of Christendom during the Reconquista of Spain and fought and killed many, many Moors. He also recognized that mutual antagonism was unproductive and sought to form friendships and alliances with Moors as well.
 
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The Jewish view of God is pretty much the same as the ancient Hebrew view of God. Are you saying the Ancient Hebrews didn’t worship the same God as Christians?
 
I would start here:

Beginning Apologetics 9: How to Answer Muslims


The Crucifix on Mecca’s Front Porch: A Christian’s Companion for the Study of Islam
https://www.amazon.com/Crucifix-Meccas-Front-Porch-Christians/dp/1621642321

Not Peace, But A Sword: The Great Chasm Between Christianity and Islam
https://shop.catholic.com/not-peace...etween-christianity-and-islam-hardcover-book/

Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics: 100 Questions and Answers
https://www.amazon.com/Inside-Islam-Catholics-Questions-Answers/dp/0965922855
 
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In reading the OT and the NT one cannot help but come to the conclusion that they are talking about two distinctly different gods.

The god of the OT is very much in-your-face and a jealous, spiteful, vengeful god who thinks nothing of vaporizing entire cities- or drowning all but one family- as punishment for not toeing the line. Throwing Adam and Eve out of the Garden for making one mistake- and not even giving them the opportunity to make amends? What kind of a good god tells a man to sacrifice his own son- then laughs it off at the last second as a test of faith? Why would a benevolent god punish people for exercising their free will?

Then we have the god of the NT- an impersonal, very absentee god who is described as being all-loving and benevolent, just waiting for people to accept him so he can shower them with goodness and love.

Do these sound like the same god at all?

Either we have two gods or we have a single god who has some serious psychological issues.

I am sorely tempted- in the Manchaean line of thought- to think we are indeed dealing with two different gods- a god of dark (OT) and a god of light (NT) who are- and have always been- in conflict with one another.

(This does not take into account God as described in the Qur’an, as this presents God as somewhere in the middle. The Islamic view of God is that of someone still The Most Benevolent, but also perfectly willing to smack down someone if they get out of line.)
 
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