Open Thread on Zimmerman Trial

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It was a very uncomfortable and embarrassing moment when she admitted that she didn’t read cursive. And, it also hurt her credibility quite a bit. Even though she isn’t on trial, the prosecution’s “star witness” did not make herself look at all positive on the stand. Her attitude, her eye-rolls, her snippy responses at times, her admissions, did not help the prosecution.
I agree. She showed obvious contempt towards the defense attorney and IMO, that just makes it look to me that she’s embellishing her story to aid the prosecution side.

It is disturbing to me that this man could be convicted mainly based on her testimony. She is far from an objective, unbiased witness.
 
I agree. She showed obvious contempt towards the defense attorney and IMO, that just makes it look to me that she’s embellishing her story to aid the prosecution side.
That’s the way it appears to me. Even her “Yes SIR’s” seemed contrived and snippy. Too many “SIRS” made her testimony appear artificial.
It is disturbing to me that this man could be convicted mainly based on her testimony. She is far from an objective, unbiased witness.
I agree. The prosecution needs better evidence. Innocent until proven guilty is the US rule of law. Right now, it’s a he said she said.

Regarding the head injuries, since they were scuffling in the grass, it is possible that some of the head pummeling could have taken place there.
 
Zimmerman claimed that his head was repeatedly bashed against the pavement. His injuries don’t match that claim; something pointed out to him by the investigators.
The skull is a fairly hard bone.

It is just as likely that his head could be repeatedly bashed against the sidewalk without fracturing as it is your opinion.

Ultimately, even an expert in medicine would have a difficult time predicting what injuries should be.
 
The skull is a fairly hard bone.

It is just as likely that his head could be repeatedly bashed against the sidewalk without fracturing as it is your opinion.

Ultimately, even an expert in medicine would have a difficult time predicting what injuries should be.
It appears they were in the grass, at least that is where Martin’s body was at the end of it all. However, perhaps they were right next to the sidewalk and Zimmerman’s head contacted the edge a time or two. I don’t know. I’m hoping that will all come during the trial.
 
Witness this morning claims he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging his arms down at him and heard Zimmerman calling for help
 
The witness is 19…is in year 12…and cannot read or write cursive…is this possible in an American school in 2013???
I also find that idea mind-boggling since my 10-year old has been able to read and write cursive for a couple of years, but apparently cursive handwriting is going the way of the dinosaur in 2013. Here’s an article that was orginally run in 2010 and has been revisited due to the trial.

Do college students know how to write in cursive?
cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ot/both/2010/09/18/Do_college_students_know_how_to_write_in_cursive_.html
 
I also find that idea mind-boggling since my 10-year old has been able to read and write cursive for a couple of years, but apparently cursive handwriting is going the way of the dinosaur in 2013. Here’s an article that was orginally run in 2010 and has been revisited due to the trial.

Do college students know how to write in cursive?
cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ot/both/2010/09/18/Do_college_students_know_how_to_write_in_cursive_.html
This whole thing is appalling, imo. It’s not like it requires extra time/money/teachers etc. to REQUIRE students to write in cursive throughout their education like the rest of us were. There is just no excuse for this at all. I think it’s time for the citizens to demand answers from our educators.
 
This whole thing is appalling, imo. It’s not like it requires extra time/money/teachers etc. to REQUIRE students to write in cursive throughout their education like the rest of us were. There is just no excuse for this at all. I think it’s time for the citizens to demand answers from our educators.
The bigger point if she claimed she had written that letter. Kind of hard to claim to have written a letter and technology can’t read it.

I’ve read this morning about this woman’s mistreatment and how it is based on racism and white people’s inability to understand young blacks

I personally am working on rebuttal to comments made about me in a case I am an expert witness in. Compared to venom directed my way this young lady was treated with kid gloves. I guess the problem is people just don’t understand old white men.
 
This whole thing is appalling, imo. It’s not like it requires extra time/money/teachers etc. to REQUIRE students to write in cursive throughout their education like the rest of us were. There is just no excuse for this at all. I think it’s time for the citizens to demand answers from our educators.
I agree.

As for the trial, why in the world couldn’t one read cursive unless one couldn’t read at all? One might read a bit slower, but to be 19 and not be able to read it at all? And, also, she couldn’t read a letter that she supposedly had written with a friend’s help. Not credible.
 
I’ve read this morning about this woman’s mistreatment and how it is based on racism and white people’s inability to understand young blacks
I find it racist that young black people don’t understand how to behave in court or don’t understand how to speak basic English.

What is going on in our schools that this young women and her generation have been denied basic education?
 
The bigger point if she claimed she had written that letter. Kind of hard to claim to have written a letter and technology can’t read it. …
Yep.
…I’ve read this morning about this woman’s mistreatment and how it is based on racism and white people’s inability to understand young blacks

I personally am working on rebuttal to comments made about me in a case I am an expert witness in. Compared to venom directed my way this young lady was treated with kid gloves. I guess the problem is people just don’t understand old white men.
I think you and I have been reading the same articles. Also, I’ve read some comments that the attorney was unkind and disrespectful toward the witness. I didn’t see that at all, though I did hear the judge tell the attorney to lower his voice at one point. I thought that was odd because he was just speaking in a normal tone, whereas the witness was barely audible as well as barely intelligible at some points. Instead of telling the attorney to lower his voice, the judge should have told the witness to raise hers.
 
The bigger point if she claimed she had written that letter. Kind of hard to claim to have written a letter and technology can’t read it.

I’ve read this morning about this woman’s mistreatment and how it is based on racism and white people’s inability to understand young blacks

I personally am working on rebuttal to comments made about me in a case I am an expert witness in. Compared to venom directed my way this young lady was treated with kid gloves. I guess the problem is people just don’t understand old white men.
Did she ever actually claim that she wrote the letter herself? I just thought it was a misunderstanding? Yea, if she actually claimed she wrote it and then changed her tune when asked to read it, yea, I’m going to hush because I don’t have anything charitable to say about that.

And yea, her behavior in court towards the defense attorney was rude and uncalled for. I don’t care what race or age group she is part of and I’m tired of people using that as an excuse. It shouldn’t be an excuse, I would hope that those in the African American community are offended that it’s claimed that this is just typical behavior among them.
 
I find it racist that young black people don’t understand how to behave in court or don’t understand how to speak basic English. …
Her attitude was not good at all.
…What is going on in our schools that this young women and her generation have been denied basic education?
Aside from the indoctrination that goes on and is considered to be all-important, I guess it is hard to get a good education when one is busy ducking the desks that are being thrown, not to mention the fists and foul language being thrown about, not to mention worrying about weapons and drugs others may be carrying. Many, um, distractions exist and are tolerated in schools today that did not exist in the past.
 
I would hope that those in the African American community are offended that it’s claimed that this is just typical behavior among them.
Treyvon’s dad was seen shaking his head a points in her testimony. It looked like he was disgusted by her behavior.
 
So Mr Good, the neighbor and prosecution witness testified that Martin was on top attacking MMA style and Zimmerman was on the bottom and that in his opinion Zimmerman was the one screaming for help.
 
The thing that gets me is that so far the prosecution keeps putting on witnesses that end up supporting the defense, either directly or indirectly. I don’t see how they can get a conviction if they keep this up.
 
That link is interesting. They mention that we still haven’t heard from Martin’s parents. You know, the two people who weren’t there, weren’t on the phone with him, and have no actual evidence to testify about.
I noted that too. I wondered why they would be heard from at all. Hmm.

Apparently, when Jeantel was interviewed by Krump, Martin’s mom was apparently present. I thought that was odd, but maybe that is why she might testify? Who knows.
 
The thing that gets me is that so far the prosecution keeps putting on witnesses that end up supporting the defense, either directly or indirectly. I don’t see how they can get a conviction if they keep this up.
I noted the same thing.
 
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