Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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Is this really true,doesn’t sound so to me, on a Saturday night at 9:00.
Or is it something with which to fault the President once more ?
Peace, Carlan
 
Elizabeth502 said:
I was wondering about this myself. What I did read yesterday is that either the family or friends of the family wanted to petition the Federal Gov’t to file civil rights charges against GZ, which of course won’t fly, even if the gov’t agrees to file them.
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it flew in the rodney king case
 
hn160 said:
It seems strange that the media refers to Travon Martin as either a child or a boy but 10 year old and up young girl as a young woman when it comes to getting an abortion or the morning after pill.
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That’s liberalism for ya. Treat children as adults and adults like children.
estesbob said:
I dont believe this story. Not even Obama is that stupid.
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Never overestimate the man’s capacity for gratuitous blunder.
 
LisaA said:
The “problem” with young males is that their testosterone and bodies are developed but their impulse control is not. This is a reason more young men are involved in high risk activities, crime, drugs and violence. Apparently the part of the brain that regulates impulse control isn’t developed until the mid 20s.
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Precisely. I also teach the age group that triumphguy teaches. They are emotionally boys, but physically men.
LisaA said:
His history which was NOT allowed into the court room included drugs and a strong suspicion he was involved in a robbery.He was not the little angel that the race baiters and the prosecution kept pushing. …
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I found that nauseating as well. I was a big Court TV watcher of years past, when Steven Brill owned it and before TruTV and then later HLN became the commercial versions of Court TV. The absence of fathers, as well as the assumption that the father will be absent, until the son ended up dead or was charged with a crime, was something common to almost all the cases involving young black males.

Good fathers of every race teach their sons to override their biological habit to react impulsively and violently. White males are prone to the very same impulses, and when their fathers are weak or absent, and fail to exercise strong guidance in this area, and situations arise, young white males also end up in court. (And many domestically fatherless Asian males and Hispanic males end up in gangs as a replacement for fathering.)

I obviously don’t have intimate knowledge of TM’s father’s parenting skills. However, here’s a thought: the history that was omitted from the trial, combined with TM’s behavior that night, does not convince me that this was a well-fathered, “innocent baby” whose father provided the kind of strong guidance needed to handle situations without resorting to aggression.

No, he was not “a baby.”
 
Even though I accept the jury’s verdict ,I say also that just because Zimmerman wasn’t found guilty does not mean he did not murder that boy. It means the state did not prove it to that jury.
Eventually in the end George Simmerman, as we all will, must face his maker.
Peace, Carlan
 
estesbob said:
I dont believe this story. Not even Obama is that stupid.
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I don’t believe it either. why would “unnamed sources” have to confirm that a public document was filed? and when? courts aren’t open on the weekends for filing complaints.
 
Carlan said:
Even though I accept the jury’s verdict ,I say also that just because Zimmerman wasn’t found guilty does not mean he did not murder that boy. It means the state did not prove it to that jury.
Eventually in the end George Simmerman, as we all will, must face his maker.
Peace, Carlan
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If a bigger person is on top of you slamming your head onto the ground what should you do?
 
Carlan said:
Even though I accept the jury’s verdict ,I say also that just because Zimmerman wasn’t found guilty does not mean he did not murder that boy. It means the state did not prove it to that jury.
Eventually in the end George Simmerman, as we all will, must face his maker.
Peace, Carlan
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ProTip 1: in the USofA, an accused is presumed innocent of the crime he’s charged with. not guilty means the government couldn’t rebut this presumption.

ProTip2: his name is “Zimmerman”, with a "Z’.

BTW, you’ve just committed, and involved CAF, in a libel, accusing an innocent man of murder.

congrats.
 
Carlan said:
Even though I accept the jury’s verdict ,I say also that just because Zimmerman wasn’t found guilty does not mean he did not murder that boy. It means the state did not prove it to that jury.
Eventually in the end George Simmerman, as we all will, must face his maker.
Peace, Carlan
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It is a fact that Zimmerman killed Martin, did end the young man’s life. However, the jury, with the benefit of seeing all the evidence, found that Zimmerman did not murder Martin, that Zimmerman acted in self-defense.
 
SwizzleStick said:
It is a fact that Zimmerman killed Martin, did end the young man’s life. However, the jury, with the benefit of seeing all the evidence, found that Zimmerman did not murder Martin, that Zimmerman acted in self-defense.
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Yes, I understand that, just as I understood, and accepted the verdict in that other famous trial of the sports legend. As I said in my post God is our final judge. Yes?
 
Based on the evidence that I read about, this seems to be a proper decision. That being said, I can’t shake the feeling that Mr. Zimmerman is a wannabe who may have contributed greatly to the situation through his actions. Law enforcement should be left to the professionals, and I do feel that he overstepped his role as a watcher.

That’s not a crime in the strict sense of the term, but it should serve as a lesson for the future. A young man is dead who should not be, and we need to be careful who we give authority.

John
 
oldcelt said:
Based on the evidence that I read about, this seems to be a proper decision. That being said, I can’t shake the feeling that Mr. Zimmerman is a wannabe who may have contributed greatly to the situation through his actions. Law enforcement should be left to the professionals, and I do feel that he overstepped his role as a watcher.

That’s not a crime in the strict sense of the term, but it should serve as a lesson for the future. A young man is dead who should not be, and we need to be careful who we give authority.

John
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I think the jury got it right.

I think Zimmerman did everything wrong up until he shot Martin. I think he made false assumptions about Martin and was incredibly dumb to get out of his car. I don’t believe he was looking for a street sign. I think Martin acted like many teenagers would if they felt someone was following them: fight them. Once again, a stupid thing to do but Martin was a teenager and teenagers often make adrenaline based decisions.

Zimmerman set in motion a chain of events that never should have been set in motion. Once he called the cops, his job was done. No need to get out the car, no need to follow, no need for anything other than waiting for the cops to arrive.

That being said, I do not find it a reasonable conclusion that Zimmerman would have sat on top of Martin, pulled out a gun and shot him in cold blood. Its a much more reasonable conclusion that they fought, tussled, and Martin wound up on top punching Zimmerman. Would Martin have killed Zimmerman? I doubt it. However, Zimmerman didn’t have 20/20 hindsight, he reasonably thought his life was in danger and shot in self defense.

I think Zimmerman set in motion this tragic chain of events, but I don’t think he’s guilty of murder or manslaughter.
 
pete_29 said:
Make sure that you are right with your maker and don’t worry so much about Zimmerman.
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Yes Pete, must all see to that and at the same time pray for the reparation of sin in the world. Peace, Carlan
 
Prosecution failed to do it’s job, end of discussion. Some of the experts have said the prosecution was calling witness’ that ended up helping the defense.

Sad to know that thanks to racists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, Zimmerman faces potential double jeopardy.
 
adrift said:
Shooting Murder of Trayvon Martin
Obama Files Federal Charges Against George Zimmerman Following Acquittal in Shooting Murder of Trayvon Martin

Just when we thought the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case was over after Zimmerman’s acquittal, the Obama Administration has taken the steps needed to file federal charges, thus sidestepping the well established double jeopardy, against Zimmerman. Unidentified sources within the Administration have confirmed that Obama, and Justice Eric Holder at the Department of Justice have filed charges against Zimmerman for “violating Trayvon Martin’s civil rights”.
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I have been unable to verify this through any mainstream news sites. CNN, Fox News, USA Today and the Washington Post are not reporting it.
 
Carlan said:
Yes, I understand that, just as I understood, and accepted the verdict in that other famous trial of the sports legend. As I said in my post God is our final judge. Yes?
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not in the governments’ botched prosecution, no, He’s not.
 
Cider said:
What Martin’s civil right to beat Zimmerman’s head into the pavement? Where is that in the constitution?
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its there, you just don’t know where to look.

or are you asking argumentative questions?
 
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