Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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I feel badly for the Martin family.

Jesse Jackson was amiable on TV last night.

The rest of them, the media that drove this story, selected this one story to drive an agenda, some of the same people who drove the Duke Lacrosse story, I’m extremely disappointed in these types.

I hope the Martin and Zimmerman family and George Zimmerman can move on from this in peace.
The prosecution may have overreached in trying this for murder, perhaps they should have only gone for manslaughter.
 
garn9173 said:
Prosecution failed to do it’s job, end of discussion. Some of the experts have said the prosecution was calling witness’ that ended up helping the defense.

Sad to know that thanks to racists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, Zimmerman faces potential double jeopardy.
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actually, they – and a million others they influence – want to see him dead. a step or two past double jeopardy.
 
adrift said:
Shooting Murder of Trayvon Martin
Obama Files Federal Charges Against George Zimmerman Following Acquittal in Shooting Murder of Trayvon Martin

Just when we thought the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case was over after Zimmerman’s acquittal, the Obama Administration has taken the steps needed to file federal charges, thus sidestepping the well established double jeopardy, against Zimmerman. Unidentified sources within the Administration have confirmed that Obama, and Justice Eric Holder at the Department of Justice have filed charges against Zimmerman for “violating Trayvon Martin’s civil rights”.
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As others have said, I doubt charges have been filed. But various folks have been calling on the justice department to do this.

Sadly, many lawyers suggested that the prosecution of Zimmerman was motivated by politics, something to assist with turnout by Obama’s base whose support had been declining prior to the 2012 elections. That this explained why such an obviously weak case actually went forward. Some are saying that the justice department may take this action to create an issue to boost turnout in 2014.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
I have been unable to verify this through any mainstream news sites. CNN, Fox News, USA Today and the Washington Post are not reporting it.
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that’s because the DoJ didn’t make the decision, is a long way from getting a complaint ready for filing, and can’t file a complaint on the weekend anyway. just another worthless blahgger.
 
Fairwinds said:
actually, they – and a million others they influence – want to see him dead. a step or two past double jeopardy.
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Well, the police officers in Rodney King went through the same thing. The civil rights violations considered to be separate crimes from those they were originally charged with.

Not a lawyer, so I’m not sure how civil rights violation laws apply to the average person vice police or other government officials.
 
I really can’t even say what I think of NBC who doctored those 911 tapes and some of the talking heads on MSNBC, some irresponsibility by some parts of the media could get someone hurt or worse.
 
Fairwinds said:
that’s because the DoJ didn’t make the decision, is a long way from getting a complaint ready for filing, and can’t file a complaint on the weekend anyway. just another worthless blahgger.
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That’s what I figured. And apparently it has been repeated ad nauseum by several other worthless blahggers.
 
BroomWagon said:
I really can’t even say what I think of NBC who doctored those 911 tapes and some of the talking heads on MSNBC, some irresponsibility by some parts of the media could get someone hurt or worse.
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We should be hearing from Chris Matthews shortly.
 
NewEnglandPriest said:
I think the jury got it right.

I think Zimmerman did everything wrong up until he shot Martin. I think he made false assumptions about Martin and was incredibly dumb to get out of his car. I don’t believe he was looking for a street sign. I think Martin acted like many teenagers would if they felt someone was following them: fight them. Once again, a stupid thing to do but Martin was a teenager and teenagers often make adrenaline based decisions.

Zimmerman set in motion a chain of events that never should have been set in motion. Once he called the cops, his job was done. No need to get out the car, no need to follow, no need for anything other than waiting for the cops to arrive.

That being said, I do not find it a reasonable conclusion that Zimmerman would have sat on top of Martin, pulled out a gun and shot him in cold blood. Its a much more reasonable conclusion that they fought, tussled, and Martin wound up on top punching Zimmerman. Would Martin have killed Zimmerman? I doubt it. However, Zimmerman didn’t have 20/20 hindsight, he reasonably thought his life was in danger and shot in self defense.

I think Zimmerman set in motion this tragic chain of events, but I don’t think he’s guilty of murder or manslaughter.
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This is pretty much my conclusion as well. Like many things while it’s not justified, it’s understandable. I understand why Zimmerman got out of his car–whether to find a street sign or just to see if Martin were still in view so when the police arrived he could give them the information. With hindsight I think everyone wishes that Zimmerman had not gotten out of the car because the chain of events that resulted in Martin’s death would not have been set in motion. That being said, nothing he did was illegal and while I think it’s plausible he would be looking for a street sign, it’s just as plausable he was looking to see which direction Martin had gone. I do not think he was following Martin at the time of the confronation. I think he’d lost sight of him when he returned to the car.

It’s also understandable why Martin initiated the confrontation. He was probably angry at the “crackah” because HE knew he wasn’t looking for a house to rob and thanks to all of the race baiting and divisiveness in society, thought it was a racially instigated move.

Again, given hindsight poor judgment was shown by both of them. But it does not seem based on the evidence, that Zimmerman should have even been charged.

Lisa
 
NewEnglandPriest said:
I think the jury got it right.

I think Zimmerman did everything wrong up until he shot Martin. I think he made false assumptions about Martin and was incredibly dumb to get out of his car. I don’t believe he was looking for a street sign. I think Martin acted like many teenagers would if they felt someone was following them: fight them. Once again, a stupid thing to do but Martin was a teenager and teenagers often make adrenaline based decisions.

Zimmerman set in motion a chain of events that never should have been set in motion. Once he called the cops, his job was done. No need to get out the car, no need to follow, no need for anything other than waiting for the cops to arrive.

That being said, I do not find it a reasonable conclusion that Zimmerman would have sat on top of Martin, pulled out a gun and shot him in cold blood. Its a much more reasonable conclusion that they fought, tussled, and Martin wound up on top punching Zimmerman. Would Martin have killed Zimmerman? I doubt it. However, Zimmerman didn’t have 20/20 hindsight, he reasonably thought his life was in danger and shot in self defense.

I think Zimmerman set in motion this tragic chain of events, but I don’t think he’s guilty of murder or manslaughter.
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A very balanced and fair summation. The only quibble I have is that whether Martin intended to kill GZ we do not know but certainly his actions could have easily killed GZ.
 
Carlan said:
Yes, I understand that, just as I understood, and accepted the verdict in that other famous trial of the sports legend. As I said in my post God is our final judge. Yes?
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Yes, I agree. God is our final judge and His justice is perfect and I take comfort in that thought. Knowing that He knows all, sees all, knows what is in each heart and will judge each of us accordingly brings comfort and peace.
 
As a gun owner and a supporter of gun rights, I do say that had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle and waited for police to come, this would never have happened. He is not a law enforcement officer and he had no right to confront or detain a fellow citizen who was not committing a crime!
 
fix said:
A very balanced and fair summation. The only quibble I have is that whether Martin intended to kill GZ we do not know but certainly his actions could have easily killed GZ.
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someone dies every day from physical assault in the usa
 
coachkfan1 said:
As a gun owner and a supporter of gun rights, I do say that had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle and waited for police to come, this would never have happened. He is not a law enforcement officer and he had no right to confront or detain a fellow citizen who was not committing a crime!
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I’m not sure if the storyline follows that Zimmerman confronted or detained a fellow citizen, did he follow him? I think the facts do indicate that. Is that illegal? Does not appear to be.
 
coachkfan1 said:
As a gun owner and a supporter of gun rights, I do say that had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle and waited for police to come, this would never have happened. He is not a law enforcement officer and he had no right to confront or detain a fellow citizen who was not committing a crime!
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I posted the following thought on the other thread, but it bears repeating, with the change of “and many want to hold him responsible for not being prescient” replacing “and may ultimately be held responsible for not being prescient,” since Zimmerman has now been found not guilty by a jury of his peers.
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Swizzlestick:
Yes, it is an established fact that had Zimmerman stayed in his truck, the whole incident would not have occurred. But, it seems to me that Zimmerman is being blamed, and may ultimately be held responsible for not being prescient. Hindsight is always 20/20, but how in the world could he have begun to guess that the young man he saw would jump him and pummel him, and pound his head on concrete because he dared to exit his truck (and was trying to go back to it when he was jumped)?

By that logic, ANYONE who carries and ends up having to shoot someone to defend self or others is negligent. I don’t buy that.
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LisaA said:
I understand why Zimmerman got out of his car–whether to find a street sign or just to see if Martin were still in view so when the police arrived he could give them the information. With hindsight I think everyone wishes that Zimmerman had not gotten out of the car because the chain of events that resulted in Martin’s death would not have been set in motion. That being said, nothing he did was illegal and while I think it’s plausible he would be looking for a street sign, it’s just as plausable he was looking to see which direction Martin had gone. I do not think he was following Martin at the time of the confronation. I think he’d lost sight of him when he returned to the car.
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I think its crazy to follow someone you think is up to no good. What if Martin was everything Zimmerman initially thought he was. Martin could have been armed as well. Bullets flying in a neighborhood is not a good situation. A neighborhood watch person should know that.
 
NewEnglandPriest said:
…What if Martin was everything Zimmerman initially thought he was. …
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And what would that be? A person aimlessly loitering in the dark and rain and looking into windows and acting oddly is what Zimmerman reported he saw.
 
fix said:
The only quibble I have is that whether Martin intended to kill GZ we do not know but certainly his actions could have easily killed GZ.
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We don’t know, but technically any fight can end up with someone dead. All it takes is the right punch in the right area or a knock out punch and the person splits their head open when they fall.

Martin was angry when he perceived he was being racially profiled. Zimmerman was angry that people were committing crimes and getting away with them. All that anger and hatred, Jesus was right to link thou shalt not kill to anger…
 
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