Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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This whole situation is very sad for both families. I think it would be creepy to be followed. I think that could aggravate someone, especially in the rain and the dark. I feel for the mother of the Martin boy. I have a 16 year old, who my heart would just break for and we need to remember as Catholics to pray for the happy repose of his soul.

Having said that I also feel very sorry for George Zimmerman because he was assigned a position in his neighborhood, probably felt like he was doing what he was supposed to do. He probably regrets ever taking that job. I don’t believe he was racial profiling as the media has made it out to be. He saw someone creepy around the neighborhood, I think white or black he would have been suspicious if there had been a string of robberies.

Last night Zimmerman’s brother explained that George Z, has been since day one, very upset over killing someone, because of his Catholic faith and knowing that human life is sacred. Now George will spend the rest of his life regretting that moment. The moment he can’t take back, the moment he wished would have never happened. He will, as the Martin family, need to rely on the ever present loving, grace of God.

We don’t know what happened that night, except for what George Z said and if I remember right, there used to be a saying in America: innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Too much speculation from the prosecution, as if they can read someone’s heart. Only God can do that and only God knows exactly what happened that night. Personally I believe what Z said, just because he was saying it to the police on the phone as a lot of it was happening and as soon as the police arrived. Who would call the police and lead them step by step as they were out just to attack someone.

As Father Jonathan Morris said this morning on Fox, it is time to forgive, both sides.

video.foxnews.com/v/2544943480001/how-religion-can-help-both-families-cope-after-trial/?playlist_id=921247447001
 
sw85 said:
In fairness, “Hispanic” isn’t a race. It’s not even an ethnicity. It’s an arbitrary word invented (or at least popularized) in the 70s to refer loosely to a language group (people from natively Spanish-speaking countries), to assign a common identity to groups of vastly dissimilar peoples in order to use them as a political blunt object with which to bludgeon opponents of the leftist establishment.
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Then if we need be more specific George Zimmerman was of indigenous Peruvian and some African descent on his mothers side and Caucasian on his fathers side. He was also a good catholic and an altar boy from the ages of 7 through 17.
 
oldcelt said:
Based on the evidence that I read about, this seems to be a proper decision. That being said, I can’t shake the feeling that Mr. Zimmerman is a wannabe who may have contributed greatly to the situation through his actions. Law enforcement should be left to the professionals, and I do feel that he overstepped his role as a watcher.

That’s not a crime in the strict sense of the term, but it should serve as a lesson for the future. A young man is dead who should not be, and we need to be careful who we give authority.

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I don’t believe a neighborhood watch captain has any authority given to him. he knows he is not a policeman. he is a watcher of the neighborhood and if he sees something suspicious or if someone else does, he is notified or he notifies the police which he did.
what has been the biggest crime, is how the media from day one chose the person they were backing and for 15 months vilified George Zimmerman as the bad guy. the media inflamed the case and turned it into a race case. in the neighborhood I once lived in there were plenty of 16 and 17 year olds of all races that were carrying more than skittles and a can of iced tea. they were dangerous. this was a case of self defense. we live in a dangerous world. some neighborhoods are not safe and are plagued by crime. I think neighborhood watches are a good thing. would you have felt better if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman and then been on trial for murder?
 
LisaA said:
Again you have sort of selective memory. GZ observes Martin acting suspiciously. Take it in the context of the time, the situation and the rash of burglaries in the neighborhood. GZ reports Martin to a non-emergency number. He describes the BEHAVIOR—that he’s just wandering around, looks like he’s up to no good. He does not say anything about Martin’s race until asked. He does not try to detain him or confront him. He reports the suspicious behavior and the dispatcher says police will be sent, and that GZ does not need to follow Martin. At that point he is not following Martin, nor confronting him nor detaining him. Martin could have continued home since in his own words, he no longer saw the “creepy a** crackah…” He didn’t.

I asked Coachkfan1 to put himself in GZ’s shoes or imagine being in a neighborhood that had a recent crime wave, particularly the hot burglary with the woman and baby at home. You see someone whom you would expect to be getting out of the rain, minding his business and proceeding to a specific destination but instead is meandering around, under the eves of homes, on a private path between homes or condo units of some kind.

I think that’s suspicious, don’t you? I certainly notice people in my neighborhood who don’t seem to belong and in that way I do not mean by race but by behavior. A black man can be walking his dog at midnight and I’m not paying the slightest attention because he clearly has a purpose. If I saw a young male of ANY color wandering around between the homes in this neighborhood in the middle of the day, much less on a rainy night, I would definitely take notice. I probably would report it.

Based on the testimony and that includes the PROSECUTION’S witnesses, Martin and GZ lost sight contact with each other, apparently when GZ returned to his car to report the BEHAVIOR. He did not offer up the racial description until asked and didn’t even seem sure…“he looks…uh…black…” Between the time of night and the hoodie, Martin’s race was not that apparent even to someone like GZ who seemed to be pretty observant.

You keep talking about detaining or confronting suspects. The testimony indicates that GZ DID NOT ATTEMPT TO DETAIN MARTIN and the testimony indicates that MARTIN intitiated the confrontation after GZ reported him and said he was returning to the car.

You can’t make up one part of a story and then apply that standard to this case. Yes had GZ walked up to Martin, told him STOP and asked him what he was doing, then maybe the blame for the confrontation would have shifted to GZ. But that is not what happened.

Can you step away from your preconceived notion that somehow GZ caused Martin to retaliate by “detaining” him or confronting him? There is simply no evidence of this at all.

BTW there is a great deal of information including a lot of clipped and saved FB posts, that indicate Martin was interested in MMA, in violent activity, in fighting. IOW he wasn’t just some kid on his way home with Skittles and an Ice Tea. If that had been the case, I don’t think he would have ended up dead.

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Inego_de_Loyola said:
Then if we need be more specific George Zimmerman was of indigenous Peruvian and some African descent on his mothers side and Caucasian on his fathers side. He was also a good catholic and an altar boy from the ages of 7 through 17.
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Diana_Catherine said:
This whole situation is very sad for both families. I think it would be creepy to be followed. I think that could aggravate someone, especially in the rain and the dark. I feel for the mother of the Martin boy. I have a 16 year old, who my heart would just break for and we need to remember as Catholics to pray for the happy repose of his soul.

Having said that I also feel very sorry for George Zimmerman because he was assigned a position in his neighborhood, probably felt like he was doing what he was supposed to do. He probably regrets ever taking that job. I don’t believe he was racial profiling as the media has made it out to be. He saw someone creepy around the neighborhood, I think white or black he would have been suspicious if there had been a string of robberies.

Last night Zimmerman’s brother explained that George Z, has been since day one, very upset over killing someone, because of his Catholic faith and knowing that human life is sacred. Now George will spend the rest of his life regretting that moment. The moment he can’t take back, the moment he wished would have never happened. He will, as the Martin family, need to rely on the ever present loving, grace of God.

We don’t know what happened that night, except for what George Z said and if I remember right, there used to be a saying in America: innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Too much speculation from the prosecution, as if they can read someone’s heart. Only God can do that and only God knows exactly what happened that night. Personally I believe what Z said, just because he was saying it to the police on the phone as a lot of it was happening and as soon as the police arrived. Who would call the police and lead them step by step as they were out just to attack someone.

As Father Jonathan Morris said this morning on Fox, it is time to forgive, both sides.

video.foxnews.com/v/2544943480001/how-religion-can-help-both-families-cope-after-trial/?playlist_id=921247447001
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Great post;

… by posting in their newsletter that George Zimmerman, after the police, is the
one to call in case of problems in the neighborhood…’; that was considered legally a potential
endorsement of GZ as an expert; thus the wrongful death cased settled by the HOA with the Martin family.
 
So far, it seems to have remained relatively quiet in regard to this verdict. Naturally the talking heads are having a field day, but that’s about it. Maybe the majority of the country has come to realize that cases like this are really none of their business.

Now if we can just get everyone to stop listening to vultures like Nancy Grace we would all be better off. Just my opinion you understand.
 
I found something that shows how the media was portraying each side of this.

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7_Sorrows said:
I don’t believe a neighborhood watch captain has any authority given to him. he knows he is not a policeman. he is a watcher of the neighborhood and if he sees something suspicious or if someone else does, he is notified or he notifies the police which he did.
what has been the biggest crime, is how the media from day one chose the person they were backing and for 15 months vilified George Zimmerman as the bad guy. the media inflamed the case and turned it into a race case. in the neighborhood I once lived in there were plenty of 16 and 17 year olds of all races that were carrying more than skittles and a can of iced tea. they were dangerous. this was a case of self defense. was dangerous world. some neighborhoods are not safe and are plagued by crime. I think neighborhood watches are a good thing. would you have felt better if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman and then been on trial for murder?
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Good points also, I agree except I did hear listening to the closing arguments that Z was offered a job some where else where he would have been more of cop type person, I can’t remember exactly what but he refused it, so I don’t believe the wanna be cop theory the prosecution started. I think he just accept the position in his neighborhood and was doing what he thought he was supposed to do. Everything could have happened exactly as he says.

Also, I agree about the media turning Z into the evil person in the situation. That in and of itself is an absolutely horrible thing to do and in a way because of all of their false gossip and horrible things they have said they have destroyed another human being, Z, so really there is the death of two people. both Z and M.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I don’t believe a neighborhood watch captain has any authority given to him. he knows he is not a policeman. he is a watcher of the neighborhood and if he sees something suspicious or if someone else does, he is notified or he notifies the police which he did.
what has been the biggest crime, is how the media from day one chose the person they were backing and for 15 months vilified George Zimmerman as the bad guy. the media inflamed the case and turned it into a race case. in the neighborhood I once lived in there were plenty of 16 and 17 year olds of all races that were carrying more than skittles and a can of iced tea. they were dangerous. this was a case of self defense. we live in a dangerous world. some neighborhoods are not safe and are plagued by crime. I think neighborhood watches are a good thing. would you have felt better if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman and then been on trial for murder?
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Nancy Grace actually seemed indecisive as to which side she was on this time, but as he trial progressed, she didn’t let us down, and went on to spew her opinions favoring the prosecution, once again.

So much for her duty to find that missing little girl Elayna (sp). Once the Zimmerman trial heated up our little Girl Scout abandoned ship and had to jump into the whole Zimmerman thing.
 
oldcelt said:
So far, it seems to have remained relatively quiet in regard to this verdict. Naturally the talking heads are having a field day, but that’s about it. Maybe the majority of the country has come to realize that cases like this are really none of their business.

Now if we can just get everyone to stop listening to vultures like Nancy Grace we would all be better off. Just my opinion you understand.
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LOL. I spoke too soon.
 
livingwordunity said:
I found something that shows how the media was portraying each side of this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ugloLkuAIGU/T4Ox79WirWI/AAAAAAAAIdw/fSY3Vxj7jME/s1600/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-photos-images-race-baiting-obama-photo-media-bias-sad-hill-news[1].jpg
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Yes, exactly. Just as I said in someone else’s post. The media is killing George Z with their horrible, I don’t even know what to call it, maybe vicious, wicked, evil talk and hatred.

This situation needs a lot of prayers.
 
I think Obama should do the right thing and offer a “Beer Summit” peace offering to George Zimmerman the way he did to the cop that he falsely accused of being a racist.
 
MaryT777 said:
What is appropriate behavior if you’re being followed?
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It depends on the circumstances. I might attempt to shake the tail; I might approach the follower to talk to him if I don’t think there is risk of violence, or i might call the police to report a suspicious person, or i may do a combination of any of these, but I absolutely would not violently ambush my pursuer.
 
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