But these are lesser of houses and more like duplexes or apartments. I’ve seen images of the sidewalks at the gated community. What you would be asserting is that Trayvon would need to be walking directly on the main sidewalk.Sure I have. Like if I’m passing a gas station and it starts to pour, I might go there. I might hang out in a bus stop.
But it never would even occur to me to go and stand under someone’s *house *like that. No.
According to Nancy Grace there arent any shrubs in the area. Lol.All this is besides the point. Whether you believe him or not there is no reason to believe he acted in anything but good faith when he reported a suspicious person. We have no good reason to distrust his statement that he got out of his vehicle to verify the address to give to the police, and a witness for the prosecution stated that the address plaques on that street are difficult to read due to the shrubs planted near them. We know that Treyvon was witnessed on top of Mr. Zimmerman attacking him in an MMA “Ground-n-pound” style. We know that Mr. Zimmerman was heard crying out loudly for help, and we know that at some point during this attack Mr. Zimmerman drew his weapon and fatally shot Treyvon Martin. We know that police described him as being relieved when they falsely claimed to have the whole incident on video, and we know Treyvon to have a history of violence, theft, drug use, and possibly drug dealing. It seems to my mind to be laughable to suggest that this was anything other than self defense.
Okay, each of these people have their own viewpoints and I know a lot of people may not put a lot of stock in what Rachel Jeantel said: Still:Zimmerman mentioned it in the reconstruction.
. She said Trayvon told her he took shelter from the rain under an overhang while walking back to his father’s girlfriend’s home. Minutes later, she said, Trayvon told her a white man in a vehicle was watching him. Trayvon started walking, and the call cut off, she said. When she called back, “he said he’s walking, and he said this man is still following him.” The girl said Trayvon started running, “and then, he said he lost him Zimmerman,” she said, adding that the teen’s "voice kind of changed…
Trayvon started running, surely, he could have outrun GZ or get around some people if he, TM was scared.
It’s worth a read although I’ve heard it several times. It does sound as if he’s mixed up about the address, the actual number although he does have the street name. He gives directions, then tells the dispatcher to have the police call him so they can meet him.911 Transcript, I guess I can post the link even though he curses some in it.
documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
The first page tells you a lot, “looking at the houses”, nothing about “looking into houses”
I disagree Martin was stupid…so therefore I refrain from answering the rest of your comments given we have a very grave difference in stupidity.I understand he had a cell phone. He should have called the police. We can do all the shouldas but unfortunately he didn’t. What he did do was start to attack. He was young and stupid. It should not (there that word is again) have cost his life but then it shouldn’t of cost Zemmerman’s his either. We do not know how it would have ended if Zimmerman had not shot him. We do not know for certain if he would have killed Zimmerman. Zimmerman did not know that either. His actions were justifiable concerning the circumstances that existed. Zimmerman was foolish for exiting his car may be true but it was no excuse for him to be attacked. When it comes down to the person most at fault, it would be the person who landed the first blow.
Whether or not he was secretly quite intelligent, he behaved in a foolish and violent manner that cost him his life.I disagree Martin was stupid…so therefore I refrain from answering the rest of your comments given we have a very grave difference in stupidity.
So we have different thoughts on this thread of what to do.Okay, each of these people have their own viewpoints and I know a lot of people may not put a lot of stock in what Rachel Jeantel said: Still:
Trayvon started running, surely, he could have outrun GZ or get around some people if he, TM was scared.
I don’t want to make a big deal out of this, I think the evidence supports Zimmerman more.
According to the Defense’s side of the argument.Whether or not he was secretly quite intelligent, he behaved in a foolish and violent manner that cost him his life.
I agree that no one should have to outrun anyone. However, I guess I was referring to Rachel Jeantel’s testimony or at least statement from this link:So we have different thoughts on this thread of what to do.
Outrun the person who is following you?
I disagree vehemently with any thoughts that anyone should have to “outrun” someone who is following you.
When she called back, “he said he’s walking, and he said this man is still following him.” **The girl said Trayvon started running, “and then, he said he lost him Zimmerman,” **she said, adding that the teen’s “voice kind of changed…I could tell he was scared.” The girl said she told Trayvon to keep running, but “he said he ain’t gonna run. He said he’s right by his father’s house.” “And in a couple minutes, he said a man’s following him again, he’s behind him,” she said. “I say, ‘run.’” She said Trayvon was breathing hard. She said Trayvon asked “Why are you following me for?” and a man’s voice said, “What are you doing around here?” Then, she heard a noise and the call cut off.
Why is it so difficult for you to believe that I would not go and stand on someone’s personal property to get out of the rain? And so what if it is just a few feet from the sidewalk to the shelter of someone else’s property? Does it make a difference if someone has a big front yard or just a small strip of a front yard?But these are lesser of houses and more like duplexes or apartments. I’ve seen images of the sidewalks at the gated community. What you would be asserting is that Trayvon would need to be walking directly on the main sidewalk.
It’s easy to see that not walking far off the sidewalk, one might get more shelter from the rain. It doesn’t necessarily mean 2 or 3 feet from the apartments.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/05/17/us/Sanford/Sanford-articleLarge.jpg
Also, Washington Post has this excellent model: one can see it at the link: washingtonpost.com/rw/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/05/20/National-Enterprise/Graphics/Trayvon_Martin-w.jpg
According to the Defense.Whether or not he was secretly quite intelligent, he behaved in a foolish and violent manner that cost him his life.
The Rodney King case involved police officers acting as law enforcement. This case is not a direct parallel. There is no federal issue involved.it flew in the rodney king case
If someone is being followed they can duck on my porch anytimeWhy is it so difficult for you to believe that I would not go and stand on someone’s personal property to get out of the rain? And so what if it is just a few feet from the sidewalk to the shelter of someone else’s property? Does it make a difference if someone has a big front yard or just a small strip of a front yard?
Now maybe you see nothing wrong with ducking onto someone’s porch, but I do. I don’t think people do that, except in some sort of major emergency, in which case people wouldn’t be going to the store!
But I think that Zimmerman might have noticed the weather and if it had been raining really hard and *if *he had seen Martin acting like he was just trying to get out of the rain, he would have known the difference.
Why is it so difficult for you to believe that not all people will walk on the narrow sidewalk in the open when it is pouring down? A few feet off the sidewalk hardly constitutes being right next to someone’s house. If someone was walking in the rain, talking on the phone, it is easy to see how they could be meandering without trespassing on someone’s property.Why is it so difficult for you to believe that I would not go and stand on someone’s personal property to get out of the rain? And so what if it is just a few feet from the sidewalk to the shelter of someone else’s property? Does it make a difference if someone has a big front yard or just a small strip of a front yard?
Now maybe you see nothing wrong with ducking onto someone’s porch, but I do. I don’t think people do that, except in some sort of major emergency, in which case people wouldn’t be going to the store!
But I think that Zimmerman might have noticed the weather and if it had been raining really hard and *if *he had seen Martin acting like he was just trying to get out of the rain, he would have known the difference.
I don’t think anyone on this thread has suggested that Mr.Zimmerman initiated the fistfight. I’ve only heard that he justified Treyvon’s having starting it because George was “stalking” him.According to the Defense’s side of the argument.
Zimmerman is alive and TM is dead.The Rodney King case involve police officers acting as law enforcement. This case is not a direct parallel. There is no federal issue involved.
I found it interesting that Obama wants to reduce gun violence, but said nothing about bashing heads into pavement violence. Does one make you more dead than the other?
Have you ever lived in an apartment complex? I once lived in a wide open sort of complex similar to this. People walk on the sidewalk but if people are walking the dog, if kids are around, they might get within 5 feet of an apartment. There is not that much room between the apartments on both sides and the sidewalk in the middle.Why is it so difficult for you to believe that I would not go and stand on someone’s personal property to get out of the rain? And so what if it is just a few feet from the sidewalk to the shelter of someone else’s property? Does it make a difference if someone has a big front yard or just a small strip of a front yard?
Now maybe you see nothing wrong with ducking onto someone’s porch, but I do. I don’t think people do that, except in some sort of major emergency, in which case people wouldn’t be going to the store!
But I think that Zimmerman might have noticed the weather and if it had been raining really hard and *if *he had seen Martin acting like he was just trying to get out of the rain, he would have known the difference.