Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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Thanks very much, I was baffled by the “bothersome” word since the post was mainly about biological facts. Young men have high levels of testosterone which tends to make them aggressive and they also have low impulse control, particularly vis a vis their size and strength. I think Martin was made angry by Zimmerman following him and I think it’s quite understandable. I am sure that he felt he was being targeted for being black because from his perspective and knowing he wasn’t doing anything wrong, why did he draw attention? He understood his meandering behavior as he was apparently talking to Jeantel on the phone. But realize that Zimmerman is not a mind reader. He sees a guy acting oddly, wandering around in the rain. He knows there have been many break ins and burglaries in the neighborhood so someone wandering around aimlessly, appearing to be looking through windows was worth a second look.

Neither knew what the other was up to but in BOTH cases it was behavior that drew the attention, not race, not a desire to shoot someone, nor a desire to rob a home.

As to the media spin, did you notice virtually ALL of the signs and posters carried in the protests show Martin as a child peering out of his little sweatshirt. Obviously the point is to distort the image as that of a ‘child’ gunned down by a “white” Hispanic. The pretzel like twisting of the images and the descriptions, the highly charged words about “this young boy” versus a “cop wannabe” clearly were designed to create a false image.

There were MANY more recent photos of Martin. In fact I saw several minutes of video of him buying the Skittles and Tea. Why not use something the very night of his death? Could it be that he was a tall, athletic looking young man not a sweet little kid?

The real guilty party are the media helped by the race baiters and hucksters like Sharpton who’s congratulating him on getting the case to trial when there was clearly no evidence of a murder.

Lisa
You are welcome!

Very good post too!

Even the photo you mentioned above (bolding mine) of a younger than 17 Martin wearing the hoodie was manipulated and was presented to make him appear even younger. Media bias has caused a lot of division and it is/was reprehensible behavior.

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I give. 😃 I can see your point. However, I don’t think it applies in this case. TM had the advantage over GZ. Claiming you are in fear of your life when the only person with injuries is the other person seems rather fishy to say the least.
A question the jury probably considered was this. Was TM’s only injury the gun shot wound? If so, then considering that the gun shot was proven to have happened at pointblank range while TM was on top of GZ beating him up MMA style it’s very reasonable for GZ to perceive that his life was in danger just before the shot went off.
 
The same type used by the KKK to murder the family of my V Grandfather Elias’s family for being Irish and Catholic.

(Also we’re 1/3 of the way into our next thousand. I’ve never seen a thread permitted to continue this long. 👍 )
Your 5th great grandfather, so that would be what, 100 years ago?
 
I think an all black jury would have been unfair since the last two elections show that the majority of blacks (95% voted for Obama) automatically take the side of the one that is their race. Obama would not be the president if that same percentage of whites would have voted for the white candidate.
For the first time in US history, a black man is a viable candidate for president and black people vote for him. I struggle to not make a sarcastic comment. A vote for a leader is far different than weighing in on a jury and I pray for you if you really believe that all six randomly chosen black people would condemn a non-black man without adequate evidence provided by the state.

Although, not long ago, if not today, white people condemn black people without adequate evidence, so maybe you are right and I should pray for us all.
 
For the first time in US history, a black man is a viable candidate for president and black people vote for him. I struggle to not make a sarcastic comment. A vote for a leader is far different than weighing in on a jury and I pray for you if you really believe that all six randomly chosen black people would condemn a non-black man without adequate evidence provided by the state.

Although, not long ago, if not today, white people condemn black people without adequate evidence, so maybe you are right and I should pray for us all.
Ok, the first time, I can see that maybe it was because they wanted to see the first black president. But Obama got around 95% of the black vote TWICE. Don’t you think the second time they could have voted on a criteria other than race? If 95% of whites had voted for the white candidate, let’s say the second time Obama ran, what do you think whites would be called? And judging from the reaction in the black community to this case, it’s obvious that most African Americans believe that Zimmerman is guilty BECAUSE HE IS WHITE. Jurors are not supposed to go into it with a strong emotional bias, and that’s probably why there weren’t any African Americans on the jury. I think the way they chose the jury was good since it wasn’t a jury that looked like GZ, and it wasn’t a jury that looked like TM.
 
gross exaggeration!
“Gay” activists reject traditional marriage but want their relationship to be called the same thing as what they reject. It makes no sense.
so what pastorialship have you initiated to these children of God?
 
Your 5th great grandfather, so that would be what, 100 years ago?
My fifth grandfather or my great great great grandfather Elias Morris. He was an artillerist in the War for Southern Succession who was taken POW at Vicksburg; afterwards he settled down near his parents in Pointe Coupee Parish and had a family. While he was away from the house his parents first wife and all his children were killed by the KKK, but he was warned before he went home that they were lying in ambush. He got their attention and led them on a chase into the barn where he climbed into the loft, jumped out the second floor window, locked the barn and set fire to it before escaping to Port Barre. It was there he built his home and had a new family including my great great grandfather William who relayed all this to my father when he asked about the KKK and the civil rights movement. This is a good example of why one should respect his elders and seek their advice. The lynching happened in the mid 1870’s.
 
I don’t think the photo in and of itself was of any import.
It was just one of many examples of where the duplicitous media deliberately misled and manipulated the public in their “reporting” of this case.
 
For the first time in US history, a black man is a viable candidate for president and black people vote for him. I struggle to not make a sarcastic comment. A vote for a leader is far different than weighing in on a jury and I pray for you if you really believe that all six randomly chosen black people would condemn a non-black man without adequate evidence provided by the state.

Although, not long ago, if not today, white people condemn black people without adequate evidence, so maybe you are right and I should pray for us all.
Far from the “first”.
  1. Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson was described as the “son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father,” as stated in Vaughn’s findings. Jefferson also was said to have destroyed all documentation attached to his mother, even going to extremes to seize letters written by his mother to other people.
  1. Warren Harding
William Chancellor, a professor of economics and politics at Wooster College in Ohio, wrote a book on the Harding family genealogy. Evidently, Harding had Black ancestors between both sets of parents. Chancellor also said that Harding attended Iberia
  1. Andrew Jackson
Andrew Jackson was born on the 15th of March 1767 in Waxha, South Carolina and died June 8th 1845.
Jackson is best know as the 7th President of the United States from 1829 to 1837 and also served two terms. He served in the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. Other accomplishments was that he ran the British out of New Orleans in 1815, governed Florida territory from 1821-23, was elected to the U.S. Senate by the Tennessee legislature in 1823 just to name a couple of accomplishments during his lifetime.
Another part of his life that people may not know is that he was the son of a White woman from Ireland who had intermarried with a black man. There is also written literature of the time that stated that he a brother that was also sold into slavery.
  1. Abraham Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln was born on the 12th February 1809 in or around Hodgenville, Kentucky and died on 15 April 1865 because he was assassinated with a gun.
Lincoln served as the 16th president of the United States and is best know for writing the Gettysburg Address and freeing Confederate slaves with the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation. He also served in the Illinois General Assembly for eight years and in the U.S. House of Representatives for one term before his election as the nation’s first Republican president.
We are told of his childhood that he was born in a log cabin and self educated himself by reading books and working himself by laboring splitting fences, then becoming as a country lawyer, to what he is best known for as his presidency.
What other facts about his ancestry that he is not known for is there are written publications that described Lincoln as very dark skinned and that he had coarse hair. He was known to have had a mother of “Ethiopian” ancestry and a father that was also of African decent but was not there during his childhood to raise him. During the times that he was president, there are also many cartoons that depicted Lincoln as a stereotypical “black man” and gave him racial nick names.
  1. Calvin Coolidge
John Calvin Coolidge was born July 4th 1892 in Plymouth, Vermont. born: 4 July 1872. He was the 30th president of the United States. He is know for taking over the office as president after Warren Harding suddenly died from a heart attack and was sworn in by his own father in Vermont at 2:47 a.m. who was a notary public at the time. Before his time in the White House, he was a Republican Governor of Massachusetts and was recognized nationally for settling the Boston police strike in 1919 and also was known to have kept a low profile in the White House. He declined to run for re-election in 1928, and was followed by fellow Republican Herbert Hoover. Another maybe unknown speculation about him was that he may have had Indian as well as African ancestry from his mother.
 
Far from the “first”.
  1. Thomas Jefferson
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  2. Warren Harding
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  3. Andrew Jackson
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  4. Abraham Lincoln
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  5. Calvin Coolidge
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Don’t forget Bill Clinton. 😃

Sorry, I couldn’t resist. 🙂

(Quote above edited/snipped for space considerations.)
 
Nope, I am just repeating the words of Pope John Paul II.

That it is a ‘grave duty’ to defend yourself and any others that you have under your charge.

Do you object to the Pope’s statement in any way?
No, I do not object to the Pope’s statement in any way. I object to the use of guns, however. 😃 I think firearms must only be used by authority, military figures. JMHO.
 
Travyon was a bigot, as he thought Zimmerman was gay. So according to Rachel Jenteal, Trayvon Martin was a violent homophobic who beat Zimmerman to send a message.
 
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