Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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Completely unsubstantiated. We do not know who the aggressor was, but we do know that Florida state law put a gun into the hands of a amateur law enforcement personal.
Sure we do, TM had no defensive wounds - not a scratch - and GZ did. Speaks pretty strongly to who was the physical aggressor prior to the shot.

Also, if you’re going to cut and paste over and over, you could at least spell things correctly. Sheesh.
 
Completely unsubstantiated. We do not know who the aggressor was, but we do know that Florida state law put a gun into the hands of a amateur law enforcement personal.
Of course we do, we have eye witnesses of Martin on top of Zimmerman and we have the physical evidence.

Why do you insist on perpetuating falsehoods?
 
Of course we do, we have eye witnesses of Martin on top of Zimmerman and we have the physical evidence.

Why do you insist on perpetuating falsehoods?
Because the facts do not comport with the preconceived notion that anyone with a gun is inherently an evil predator waiting for the opportunity to strike!

I think the word “innocent” is a euphamism for someone not carrying a gun although in his physical strength and training has a lethal weapon. Martin was not without ability to either attack or defend despite the gun. It was apparently his choice to confront and attack.

Lisa
 
Sure we do, TM had no defensive wounds - not a scratch - and GZ did. Speaks pretty strongly to who was the physical aggressor prior to the shot.

Also, if you’re going to cut and paste over and over, you could at least spell things correctly. Sheesh.
The wounds on GZ could easily have happened after GZ went for his gun. WE DO NOT KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
 
The wounds on GZ could easily have happened after GZ went for his gun. WE DO NOT KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
Oh my goodness…not only is the Law of Gravity defied but a dead man can beat a man and bash his head against the cement…a new interpretation of Dead Man Walking…good grief.

Lisa
 
Oh Robert, we are simly not going to win with some of these people on the gun issues, God bless you for giving it the best try. We pray. Peace, Carlan
 
I, too, consider myself a strong conservative, and I support the right to bear arms, but Zimmerman’s past also troubles me as well. It tells me that he is at least capable of aggression, and thus being the aggressor in this incident, even though we will never know what really happened that night.
Everyone is capable of aggression under the right circumstances.
 
Innocent people do not violently attack and head smash others.
…and this has probably been mentioned, but that ** ^** can be categorized as a hate crime.

Of course, in PC modern society, only one race is capable of “hate.” (Right. ;)) Minorities are incapable of hating.
 
The wounds on GZ could easily have happened after GZ went for his gun. WE DO NOT KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
So, in other words, you are comfortable with making accusations about Zimmerman with no evidence and no information about what really happened.

Could you explain how it is a Christian virtue to do that?
 
Because the facts do not comport with the preconceived notion that anyone with a gun is inherently an evil predator waiting for the opportunity to strike!

I think the word “innocent” is a euphamism for someone not carrying a gun although in his physical strength and training has a lethal weapon. Martin was not without ability to either attack or defend despite the gun. It was apparently his choice to confront and attack.

Lisa
I think it’s also a belief that the person still alive must be the guilty party. How dare they live.
 
Oh Robert, we are simly not going to win with some of these people on the gun issues, God bless you for giving it the best try. We pray. Peace, Carlan
Very telling that the cause is more important than the facts and the evidence.
 
The case is closed; the jury has decided. I still maintain just a few simple facts - not opinion.
Zimmerman had experience; was in his car; had his gun on him. He should not have gotten out of his car after calling 911 (if he was OUT he should have gotten back IN). The whole sorry event could have been avoided. (I hope I wasn’t expressing opinion!) May God shed His Mercy on all.
 
So, in other words, you are comfortable with making accusations about Zimmerman with no evidence and no information about what really happened.

Could you explain how it is a Christian virtue to do that?
What accusations have I been making other than that Florida state law put a concealed gun into the hands of an amateur law enforcement personnel.
 
I would rather have a police officer trained in such matters to handle “suspects” and those “up to no good.” Especially given the robberies in the neighborhood seems to have heightened Zimmerman’s agitation level. That said he has trolled around before… TM was not guilty of those robberies but he paid the price due to the profiling with his life.

Yeah, I would rather have the police deal with those who choose to attack me. But most of the police are too large or too heavy for me to carry in my pocket.

He was alleged to have trolled around before. I’ve seen restraining orders issued based on violence allegations for incidents which happend while the accused was at sea on a boat 100s of miles away.

The HOA had to settle the Wrongful Death suit of TM with TM’s family for their irresponsible “endorsement” of GZ in newsletters.

No, they didn’t have to settle. They could have chosen to fight it. Their insurance company made a risk assessmetn/financial decision on the costs of fighting it vs the cost of the payoff.

He was not trained to get out of his car with a gun and confront someone.
Agreed. And the evidence showed he didn’t.

That’s for the police who made it EXPLICITLY clear they don’t need citizens following people around, " We don’t NEED you to do that."

And he complied, as indicated by the testimony at the trial of even the prosecution witnesses and the tapes they played.

Don’t do it to begin with hopefully everyone knows now.
What everyone knows now is not to help out in your neighborhood or call in suspicious folks because if anything happens, segments of the country will impugn your motives, misrepresent your actions, and use you to further their agenda.

I’m sure every person in that complex who heard what was going on and stayed in their homes are very glad they stuck to the notion. I stick my neck out for nobody.

Especially the ones who heard and didn’t even get on the phone, or told the police they heard and saw nothing. They got to stay clear of the whole mess.

I doubt it will happen again a young man is killed by some citizen who believes he is the law.

And that didn’t happen here. Again, Zimmerman did not try and confront Martin, he didn’t chase him, he didn’t try and detain him.
 
What accusations have I been making other than that Florida state law put a concealed gun into the hands of an amateur law enforcement personnel.
Thank you for admitting that this is an ideological battle for you where the message that guns are evil is paramount and that it’s not about the actual facts or evidence for you.
 
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