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I am sorry–I was trying to bolster the point I (mistakenly) thought you were making.
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BroomWagon
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Zack Finkelstein, hurt in St. Louis in a game of “knock out”; a new term to me…
I don’t find great fault with what Obama said. I just don’t think it’s going to help that much.
And yes, Detroit filiing for bankruptcy, other issues seem of importance and as said, I guess 61 blacks, black youths have lost their life in the time span of the trial.
Pat Buchanan wrote it, you see an elderly black man or a black woman walking towards you. Does that alarm you? No, and not all, but I can picture where some black young males might alarm some people.
Take where I live, one day, I was behind this guy, he was walking, me on my bike, a youth, thin, wearing glasses, earplugs on listening to music, did I feel alarm in anyway?? No, oh and he was black too.
Then, in our neighborhood, guy with the “corn rows” on his hair, wearing red shorts, white t-shirt, not a muscle man but strong enough looking was in the neighborhood, knocked on some houses doors, I look down the street, one house he knocked on, a few minutes later a man came out looking. The same “corn rows” guy knocked on another door. I’m not too suspicious, I didn’t call it in but sure enough, within minutes a cop car comes by, I know my neighborhood well enough that if a police car comes by, 6 out of 10 times, something is up, it’s not just a routine patrol. Oh, and he was black too.
We need to pray something more serious doesn’t happen, we’ve had a week, it has relatively died down, some say the “furor” over Trayvon was dying down so much, maybe that’s why Obama came out and said words.
I don’t find great fault with what Obama said. I just don’t think it’s going to help that much.
And yes, Detroit filiing for bankruptcy, other issues seem of importance and as said, I guess 61 blacks, black youths have lost their life in the time span of the trial.
Pat Buchanan wrote it, you see an elderly black man or a black woman walking towards you. Does that alarm you? No, and not all, but I can picture where some black young males might alarm some people.
Take where I live, one day, I was behind this guy, he was walking, me on my bike, a youth, thin, wearing glasses, earplugs on listening to music, did I feel alarm in anyway?? No, oh and he was black too.
Then, in our neighborhood, guy with the “corn rows” on his hair, wearing red shorts, white t-shirt, not a muscle man but strong enough looking was in the neighborhood, knocked on some houses doors, I look down the street, one house he knocked on, a few minutes later a man came out looking. The same “corn rows” guy knocked on another door. I’m not too suspicious, I didn’t call it in but sure enough, within minutes a cop car comes by, I know my neighborhood well enough that if a police car comes by, 6 out of 10 times, something is up, it’s not just a routine patrol. Oh, and he was black too.
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Polita612
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Sadly, all of the media and all of the politicians are owned by the banksters who create an inexhaustible supply of printed currency (note that currency*** is not ***money) by which they aim to control the world.
Like puppet masters, they control the puppets on the left AND the right side of the stage.
So, what do the banksters want out of the Zimmerman-Martin incident? Why, more power for themselves, of course!
Divide and conquer!
A strong, unified America frustrates their global ambitions.
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LisaA
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Yep must be an Oreo…He may be “black,” but he can’t possibly be “authentically black.” No doubt he is a traitor to his race, sell out, Uncle Tom, etc. He is probably a member of “the old white man party.”
Seriously, though, his point is probably lost on liberals. They don’t see the disconnect between the outcry over society viewing young black men as thugs and the resulting protest, that involves thuggish activities. Sure…best way to end the stereotype is to further the stereotype.
You are right about the irony of claiming we profile young black men as thugs and then the MSM sits back talking about the expected protests and violence as a result of the Zimmerman verdict.
Honestly as far as profiling, I profile a look rather than skin color. There is something about seeing a young man or young men who have a particular mode of dress (not just the hoodies but the saggy pants) lots of tats, lots of piercings and a sort of glittery eyed look that makes me take a wide berth. Again it’s the mannerisms and the outward appearance that makes me nervous, not skin color. Our neighborhood is extremely diverse with a large high tech company drawing many Asians and Indians (I guess they are considered Asians) we have a huge Hispanic population, a number of refugees from Africa (who attend our Parish). Color is just not of much interest. I don’t know why the race baiters continue to claim America has not changed since the times of Jim Crow and lynchings. One commentator Melissa Harris Perry was quoted as saying she wished her black sons had never been born because living in America isn’t safe for black males…SHEESH!
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Yep. Sad, isn’t it?
As I relayed in the Obama comments thread, my son was in a similar incident, where he was followed by an undercover police officer because there were burglaries in the area. When the police brought my son home, it didn’t even occur to me to consider a racial component. I obviously need to get some lessons in victimhood from our president.
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Robert_Bay
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seekerz
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Hope you’re feeling better. The president had every right to come out and speak of his experience. Any black person who lives in this country after spending much of their life outside it can identify with what he is saying.
The guy with the gun and the chip on his shoulder doesn’t care if you went to preschool in Mali or if you are an altar server at Notre Dame, all he sees is the color of your skin and the fact that he can’t recognize you as belonging where he belongs…
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Your son was brought home - by the police? Where would the basis for racial victimization be?Yep. Sad, isn’t it?
As I relayed in the Obama comments thread, my son was in a similar incident, where he was followed by an undercover police officer because there were burglaries in the area. When the police brought my son home, it didn’t even occur to me to consider a racial component. I obviously need to get some lessons in victimhood from our president.
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Allen West! Thanks for making my day with a great big laugh
Strike that: how dare he suggest that black people are profiled because they are not *respectful *enough? Oh speak thou superior one, did I not teach my five yr old to sit down in a restaurant respectfully? Is that why the granny beside us clutched her purse and moved it to the other side of her set the second my son sat down? Endow us with thy wisdom and superior knowledge oh great sage
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Carlan
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I ask also,why can’t some here acknowledge President Obama’s experience as a young teenager.
Why do some always want to fault our President, many can’t seem to be able to credit him for anything. Always looking for the negative in the man. What makes so many self righteous?
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BroomWagon
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So, if you find evidence in a granny clutching her purse when your son sat down, are we to use the same kind of logic on stories such as the one of two black teenagers shooting a white baby in the face? Is that what you are saying?Allen West! Thanks for making my day with a great big laugh
Strike that: how dare he suggest that black people are profiled because they are not *respectful *enough? Oh speak thou superior one, did I not teach my five yr old to sit down in a restaurant respectfully? Is that why the granny beside us clutched her purse and moved it to the other side of her set the second my son sat down? Endow us with thy wisdom and superior knowledge oh great sage
theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/22/unthinkable-evil-teen-intentionally-shoots-womans-13-month-old-baby-in-the-face-during-robbery-attempt/
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seekerz
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By being black and having been mainly raised outside the country.
Trust me, it comes as quite a shock. Always took that “content of their character” thing pretty seriously, and grew up believing that most Americans did too. I still think that most of us believe it, it’s the ones who don’t that cause the problem.
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LisaA
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“I am a black male who grew up in the inner city of Atlanta and no one ever followed me in a mall. I don’t recall any doors clicking when I crossed the street. And I never had anyone clutching their handbag when I got on an elevator. I guess having two awesome parents who taught me to be a respectful young man paid dividends.” – Allen West
I think Colonel West makes a good point. There will always be some bigotry based on being “other” than yourself. I had a friend who married a Chinese woman and her family was horrified and basically tossed her out of the family. Ditto with a Greek friend who married a non-Greek (although they came around when the grandkids arrived). So we have some tribal characteristics as well as a history of biogrty against certain racial groups. FWIW on the west coast we have a serious anti-Asian history rather than anti-black. But again we were no where near slavery, the Civil War and other historical manifestations of anti-black prejudice.
That being said, Colonel West’s comments comport with the reported “profiling” of Martin in that he profiled behavior rather than skin color. I still maintain that had Martin been walking down the street with a grocery sack in hand, on the regular sidewalk, and appearing to have somewhere to go, he would not have drawn Zimmerman’s attention simply because he was black. Even someone like Jesse Jackson has admitted he would feel less fear being followed by a group of white boys than a group of black boys but what I think he should have clarified is the respective behavior. There is a culture among both blacks and whites of sort of anti-social, aggressive appearance and behavior. If I saw a group of black youth wearing basketball shorts and Hyperdunks, carrying a basketball, I wouldn’t have the slightest concern even if they were loud and rowdy. If a saw a group of white youth with tats and piercings and ratty hair, sloppy dress and potty mouths being loud and rowdy, well I WOULD and HAVE locked my door or moved to the other side of the street.
Unfortunately there is a subculture, pushed by music and personalities where black youth take on this sort of gangsta persona. While it doesn’t mean they have violent tendencies, the look they take on is scary. Black youth who appear to be polite, respectful of others, and don’t have their underwear sticking out or shoes untied, evoke a very different response.
It’s NOT all about race.
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I think Colonel West makes a good point. There will always be some bigotry based on being “other” than yourself. I had a friend who married a Chinese woman and her family was horrified and basically tossed her out of the family. Ditto with a Greek friend who married a non-Greek (although they came around when the grandkids arrived). So we have some tribal characteristics as well as a history of biogrty against certain racial groups. FWIW on the west coast we have a serious anti-Asian history rather than anti-black. But again we were no where near slavery, the Civil War and other historical manifestations of anti-black prejudice.
That being said, Colonel West’s comments comport with the reported “profiling” of Martin in that he profiled behavior rather than skin color. I still maintain that had Martin been walking down the street with a grocery sack in hand, on the regular sidewalk, and appearing to have somewhere to go, he would not have drawn Zimmerman’s attention simply because he was black. Even someone like Jesse Jackson has admitted he would feel less fear being followed by a group of white boys than a group of black boys but what I think he should have clarified is the respective behavior. There is a culture among both blacks and whites of sort of anti-social, aggressive appearance and behavior. If I saw a group of black youth wearing basketball shorts and Hyperdunks, carrying a basketball, I wouldn’t have the slightest concern even if they were loud and rowdy. If a saw a group of white youth with tats and piercings and ratty hair, sloppy dress and potty mouths being loud and rowdy, well I WOULD and HAVE locked my door or moved to the other side of the street.
Unfortunately there is a subculture, pushed by music and personalities where black youth take on this sort of gangsta persona. While it doesn’t mean they have violent tendencies, the look they take on is scary. Black youth who appear to be polite, respectful of others, and don’t have their underwear sticking out or shoes untied, evoke a very different response.
It’s NOT all about race.
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pete_29
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And all of those who don’t are white, is this correct ?
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BroomWagon
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Actually, this is not objective 3rd person evidence as we can not confirm statements made by someone, “I’m a doctor”, “I’m a Police Officer” etc. I believe this is even stated in the rules here, I can say “I’m a CPA”, etc. but since I could use such to claim an expertise on say Tax Law, in the end, it is still just my word since Accountants disagree with each other as Doctors and Lawyers do. It’s a bit of an appeal to authority.
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Just a question, has anyone heard what Mr. Martin was doing in that neighborhood? Did it ever come out in the trial?The first thing wrong in your post is that it wasn’t Martin’s neighbrohood.
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seekerz
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As to your specific quote, I take issue with Mr West suggesting that those who are profiled are lacking in respect. That is disrespectful to those of us who are indeed aware of the experience of being profiled. My 5 yr old once sat down at a restaurant and a granny immediately moved her bag to the side of the seat opposite him despite the presence of a barrier that could prevent any childish inquisitiveness. He was well-dressed, well-groomed and had not yet spoken a word or done anything by which his character (as much as a 5 yr old can have
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This is a very clear basic fact of this case, his father’s “fiance” has an apartment there, duoplex, whatever is the correct term. His brother I believe was waiting at home and I think they were watching the Miami Heat in an NBA playoff game, he left at half-time.
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