Opinion on the #Metoo movement

[Pup7]

Pup7:

That sort of thing went on WELL before the 1960s Sexual Revolution. If anything, it was likely in some ways worse.

It was surely different before the 1960s, but I don’t think I would say “worse.”

Before the sexual revolution MOST men viewed women with respect regarding waiting or marriage, etc.

The sexual revolution taught many men that most women are really like the girls in the Playboy Magazine; that women want fornication just as bad as they do and are open to fetishes too.

I think a lot of folks here have a romanticized view of the world for women before 1960.

A lot.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

So if I open a door for you, I’m a sexist? Huh?

That’s not what I said. That’s not even what we were talking about.

The Christian ideas of chivalry come devotions to the Blessed Virgin Mary and how to treat a Lady of nobility.

Yeah. It’s putting “good” women on this weird pedestal and vilifying women who don’t conform to narrow definitions of femininity, i.e. those dirty, dirty feminists.

If I chivalry is bad, then I don’t know how to be informal with women outside my wife & family and should avoid taking to them outside a professional context.

Treat women like you would treat other men. It’s not that complicated.

 

[Pup7]

phil19034:

Why is chivalry bad?

Google “benevolent sexism.”

Not holding the door for someone just makes you a jerk. A complete and utter jerk.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Most of them men, interestingly enough.

 

[Pup7]

Most of them men, interestingly enough.

I noticed that as well.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

Opening doors isn’t that big of deal.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Not holding the door for someone just makes you a jerk. A complete and utter jerk.

I wasn’t talking about holding doors specifically, but the idea of “chivalry.”

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

Why is chivalry bad?

Google “benevolent sexism.”

BTW - if Chivalry is benevolent sexism, then someone better tell women to stop expecting men to pay for the first date or to drive and pick them up. Heck they better expect men to pay for no more than 1/2 the dates or go “Dutch” all the time.

Men better not walk them home or to their door.

Men better not open an umbrella for them

Men better not walk around and open their car door

The list goes on and on.

Because a lot of women haven’t bought into that yet.

But seriously, if chivalry is dead, then dating as we once knew it dead, and all we are left with is the hook up culture.

God Bless

 

[Pup7]

Fair enough. I’ll go with that.

 

[DarkLight]

I totally disagee that true chivalry is ”benevolent sexism.” Chivalry is about treating women the same way we would treat our own mothers, sisters, and daughters.

To be fair, that’s not always an improvement. I know of many women my age who complain bitterly that they were sheltered and kept at home and not given the same chances to have fun and learn and make mistakes and get their feet wet as their brothers did, because their parents were trying to protect the young ladies.

 

[Pup7]

BTW - if Chivalry is benevolent sexism, then someone better tell women to stop expecting men to pay for the first date or to drive and pick them up.

I’m 44 and was raised by my father born in 1930 to expect neither of these.

Most women don’t expect this in 2018. Flip the table - maybe most men need to learn that.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

then someone better tell women to stop expecting men to pay for the first date or to drive and pick them up. Heck they better expect men to pay for no more than 1/2 the dates or go “Dutch” all the time.

I’m not big in the dating scene, but that’s actually how a lot of young people roll in this day and age.

 

[Pup7]

Opening doors isn’t that big of deal.

So holding the door for someone behind you isn’t what considerate people do? I mean, it’s not by what I see around me most days, and it’s disgraceful.

Just. Hold. The door. I don’t care if it’s an old lady, me, or a 57 year old man behind you. Just hold the door.

I don’t need you to open a door for me. That’s not what I said. I said not holding the door makes you a jerk. And it does. Letting a door close in someone’s face is horrifically rude.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

I wonder what something that’s bad makes people.

 

[Pup7]

phil19034:

then someone better tell women to stop expecting men to pay for the first date or to drive and pick them up. Heck they better expect men to pay for no more than 1/2 the dates or go “Dutch” all the time.

I’m not big in the dating scene, but that’s actually how a lot of young people role in this day and age.

My nieces are in their 20s. Most go on “group dates” and foot their own bill or just split it.

 

[DarkLight]

Yeah, I’d say with my generation that’s the standard expectation.

 

[Pup7]

I wonder what something that’s bad makes people.

A lack of manners makes a person rude.

Letting a door shut in someone’s face is rude.

Something bad makes someone a bad person. Lacking manners just makes them ill bred - or a jerk.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Men better not open an umbrella for them

Men better not walk around and open their car door

Most women already open their own umbrellas and car doors. We do possess the necessary motor function for those tasks, believe it or not.

 

[phil19034]

To be fair, that’s not always an improvement. I know of many women my age who complain bitterly that they were sheltered and kept at home and not given the same chances to have fun and learn and make mistakes and get their feet wet as their brothers did, because their parents were trying to protect the young ladies.

What does that have to do with dating or interaction with women your not related too?

 

[DarkLight]

What does that have to do with dating or interaction with women your not related too?

You talked about treating other women like they were your mothers, sisters, and daughters.

I’m saying a lot of mothers and sisters and daughters don’t like being treated differently than if they were men either.