Outrage after video captures white Baton Rouge police officer fatally shooting a black man

[GaryTaylor]

Blacklivesmatter is nothing more than promotion of killing police promoted by conspiracy theories and Obama. Perhaps peoples are watching a different Black Lives Matter movement.

townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/02/exposing-black-lives-matter-for-what-it-is-promotion-of-cop-jilling-n2046941

But its a good point to view real racism as we seem to want to discuss unproven theories instead of the facts of this case.

Perhaps we will have to disagree but the factual reality of BLM is a known,

 

[oliver927]

I think it would be in the best interest of all people, when they are given demands by the police, to follow it without question at once. No “Why this, what have I done, I was just…” None of that. Just do what they say, then be an activist later if you were wronged.

If we don’t follow this rule, even if we are being wronged, we might not live long enough to fuss about it. After all of this, it is common sense to act is if our life depended on immediate compliance with their instructions.

Spot on! When I was 17 I had police officers aim their rifles at me and my friends. Someone apparently called them and reported we were shooting guns. My hands went up in the air and I did not dare move a muscle until I was told to do so. As the officers slowly approached with their weapons pointed at us they saw we were just fooling around with a potato gun and tensions were lowered. We were eventually sent on our way but there is no doubt in my mind that if I or any of my friends did anything except put our hands up and freeze that things may not have ended so well for us.

 

[Seamus_L]

If we’re going to consider all aspects of this case, including whether or
not the officers involved had any possible history of unwarranted violent
behaviour towards minorities, then we also need to look at Alton Sterling’s arrest record, which was very disturbing.

 

[GaryTaylor]

If we’re going to consider all aspects of this case, including whether or
not the officers involved had any possible history of unwarranted violent
behaviour towards minorities, then we also need to look at Alton Sterling’s arrest record, which was very disturbing.

Im confused about one point.

The death of Alton Sterling on Tuesday outside of a Baton Rouge Triple S Food Mart due to multiple gunshot wounds has warranted a look into Louisiana’s gun laws. Similar to those of most southern conservative states, they’re some of the most lenient in the nation. According to a call received by the Baton Rouge police station, Sterling had allegedly threatened a man with a gun before being shot by police who arrived moments later. Though Sterling was carrying a firearm at the time, Triple S Food Mart owner Abdullah Muflahi told CNN that he had never seen Sterling instigate an altercation with anyone, and a new video reportedly showed that Sterling did not have a gun in his hand. However, the Baton Rouge Police Department said their officers believed the shooting was justified.

Did he actually have a gun in his possession and did he have a permit? And a record of felony or minor, and what is the gun law with minor? Some states allow permits with minor offenses in my understanding.

Also the supposed gun in this mans possession, was it confirmed to be registered to him?

 

[josh987654321]

“All Lives Matter” is an attempt to ignore the fact that black people are more likely to be the victims of police brutality. Black Lives Matter is drawing attention to a real, documented issue. Skin colour is clearly relevant, I don’t see how you can deny this. It’s like looking at statistics of lynchings against black people and saying “Hey, let’s not look at race here. After all, all lynchings are bad!” If we don’t focus on the racist origins of this issue then we won’t be able to fix it. Black Lives Matter is not implying that the lives of non-blacks are worthless anymore than “save the dolphins” implies that all other animals need to die.

Of course all lives matter, but the Black Lives Matter movement is not just making a statement about the value of life. It’s trying to tackle an issue that disproportionately affects a certain demographic.

I’m not ignoring anything. Skin color is relevant to racists, but it should not be to us, whether it be white or black.

Whether your intentions are noble or evil, if you focus on race, then both are racist.

*“Hey, let’s not look at race here. After all, all lynching’s are bad!” *

Absolutely right, viewed in this lens, we combat ‘lynching’s’, and if the majority of them are toward black people, than by de facto, that is where the majority of combating will go and vice versa.

If the majority of lynching’s are toward black people and in retaliation, a minor few are toward white people, than by viewing it in the racist lens and ignoring lynching toward white people, one ends up becoming just as unjust and racist.

Until one takes off the ‘racist lens’ only then can ‘racism’ actually be combated, like I said, whether you are trying to help or trying to attack, if it’s based on ‘race’ then I think both are just as racist and will only breed more racism.

One group singles out race to attack and harm, the other group singles out race to try and aid and help, both are singling out race and treating the two differently according to race, both are feeding racism.

*“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” *

• Martin Luther King

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Padres1969]

I’m so heartbroken and angered by people who immediately try to defend corrupt cops or bring up crimes done by black people whenever something like this happens/pretend this is not racism.

Is it a reflex action to immediately defend people in the wrong and be blind to racism?

What’s amazing with the attack, and it was a police attack, is that had it been a white man exercising his second amendment right there’d be no end to the outrage from certain segments of the population who are remaining silent because the Minnesota victim is black. The second amendment doesn’t apply to black people as far as they’re concerned…

 

[josh987654321]

What’s amazing with the attack, and it was a police attack, is that had it been a white man exercising his second amendment right there’d be no end to the outrage from certain segments of the population who are remaining silent because the Minnesota victim is black. The second amendment doesn’t apply to black people as far as they’re concerned…

If it were a white man, my response would be the same. would yours?

 

[Padres1969]

If it were a white man, my response would be the same. would yours?

In the Minnesota case? It would not have happened if it had been a white man. But in this imaginary world where it could happen my response would be the same yes. Apparently not for most of those who crow about the second amendment however…

 

[josh987654321]

In the Minnesota case? It would not have happened if it had been a white man. But in this imaginary world where it could happen my response would be the same yes. Apparently not for most of those who crow about the second amendment however…

Just as outspoken as you have been here? and if so, what would your solution be?

Educate blacks about how racist they have been (or other black people are) toward whites?

Implement programs specifically designed to aid people based on the color of their skin? (Reduced higher education fees for white people only)

If a black and white person show up for a job interview, should we give the job to the white person because ‘white people’ have a history of mistreatment based on the color of their skin and we should therefore try and give them a ‘leg up’?

Should we start a ‘White Lives Matter’ campaign to lobby for ‘white people’?

Is not all this simply more racism? Treating people differently based completely on the color of their skin?

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Siegehammer]

Another, very graphic, video has been released showing the shooting death of Mr. Sterling at police hands.

A homelessman reportedly called 911 after Sterling showed him his gun after the man asked him for money, an official told CNN.

A homeless man reportedly called 911 after Sterling showed him his gun after the man asked him for money, an official told CNN. A Baton Rouge police dispatcher then told officers a man matching Sterling’s description “pulled a gun” on the 911 caller, according WAFB-TV.

Muflahi walked out the front door when he saw the officers talking to Sterling and said there was no “altercation,” as police claimed, until the cops tasered and tackled Sterling. That’s when Muflahi took out his phone and started recording.

The Daily Beast is publishing this video in its entirety—despite its graphic nature—because it shows what happened before, during, and after the killing of Sterling. A previous video only showed him being tackled and the first two gunshots.

“I swear to God if you f**king move!” one of the officers yelled, pointing his gun at Sterling’s chest. “He’s got a gun! Gun!”

Muflahi’s video does not appear to support the officer’s claim that Sterling’s gun represented an active threat: It appears to have been in a pocket and never reached his hand. Instead, the video shows Sterling pinned down, shot twice in the chest, and then shot four more times.

 

[Padres1969]

Just as outspoken as you have been here? and if so, what would your solution be?

Educate blacks about how racist they have been (or other black people are) toward whites?

Implement programs specifically designed to aid people based on the color of their skin? (Reduced higher education fees for white people only)

If a black and white person show up for a job interview, should we give the job to the white person because ‘white people’ have a history of mistreatment based on the color of their skin and we should therefore try and give them a ‘leg up’?

Should we start a ‘White Lives Matter’ campaign to lobby for ‘white people’?

Is not all this simply more racism? Treating people differently based completely on the color of their skin?

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

Yes to all of your suggestions except maybe the job one at first. Hopefully with time, education about inherent and unrealized racism would help slowly lessen the need for your other suggestions. But it would take a couple of generations at least. And that’s the problem today, most people don’t like to acknowledge there IS a problem in the US.

And no it’s not just more racism to try and rectify an underlying racism embedded in our society.

 

[josh987654321]

josh987654321;14025469:

Just as outspoken as you have been here? and if so, what would your solution be?

Educate blacks about how racist they have been (or other black people are) toward whites?

Implement programs specifically designed to aid people based on the color of their skin? (Reduced higher education fees for white people only)

If a black and white person show up for a job interview, should we give the job to the white person because ‘white people’ have a history of mistreatment based on the color of their skin and we should therefore try and give them a ‘leg up’?

Should we start a ‘White Lives Matter’ campaign to lobby for ‘white people’?

Is not all this simply more racism? Treating people differently based completely on the color of their skin?

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

Yes to all of your suggestions except maybe the job one at first. Hopefully with time, education about inherent and unrealized racism would help slowly lessen the need for your other suggestions. But it would take a couple of generations at least. And that’s the problem today, most people don’t like to acknowledge there IS a problem in the US.

And no it’s not just more racism to try and rectify an underlying racism embedded in our society.

Well, idk what else I can say.

I say ‘no’ to all of the examples I provided, as I think they are all racist and will only breed more racism.

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[GaryTaylor]

What’s amazing with the attack, and it was a police attack, is that had it been a white man exercising his second amendment right there’d be no end to the outrage from certain segments of the population who are remaining silent because the Minnesota victim is black. The second amendment doesn’t apply to black people as far as they’re concerned…

You really believe that? I don’t know what outrage would have happened, and if it was a police attack or not may be one point, but how we jump in speculation to the second amendment doesn’t apply to black people is rather a bias wild theory imho. As is the insinuation there is a double standard. Imho.

You would think the white police hunt black people for sport if I was to sum up the thinking?

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

1. saying that racism exists does not mean I’m saying that there are 0 positive changes.
2. your stats are wrong. theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/08/fbi-chief-says-ridiculous-guardian-washington-post-better-information-police-shootings
3. the fact that you think people who advocate blacklivesmatter and you casually ignoring white people discriminating black people makes me not want to have a conversation with you.
4. the fact that you think white privilege is not a thing when it comes to stuff like this IS the problem. Your other posts also shows me that it’s hopeless to explain simple stuff to you so with all due respect, having a conversation with you would honestly frustrate me.

You’re probably white so you don’t understand/you don’t want to understand, or have never experienced racism and it’s saddening to see people like you invalidating everything.

So to sum this up for us ignorant white folks:

“Each of these cases happens because of racist white folks. If you don’t believe me, you’re a racist whitie. If you expect to explain it and debate back and forth, I can’t because I get so enraged because you’re a racist whitie.”

 

[pnewton]

Did he actually have a gun in his possession and did he have a permit?

In 2000, while he was 21, he was convicted of having sex with a fourteen year old girl (carnal knowledge of a juvenile). He was sentenced to five years in prison. As an ex-felon, he would not have been allowed to own a firearm, much less be permitted to carry a handgun. This does not mean pedophiles deserve to be shot. It only means he was facing a new felony just for having the handgun.

The news media have made much about the second video showing that he did not yet have a handgun in his hand when he was shot. However, I have only seen one article that includes the officer taking the handgun out of the right pocket of Mr. Sterling after he was shot, the same place where his right arm, which was still in motion, could have reached, and may have been reaching. This might be why the officer decided to shoot. At no time on the video did Mr. Sterling withdraw his hand to show the officers he did not have his gun. Officers are not obligated to wait and be shot first, or to wait until the finger is around the trigger. The continual struggle combined with the close proximity to the gun may justify the shooting.

 

[pnewton]

If it were a white man, my response would be the same. would yours?

Had it been a white man and a black officer, nothing I have said would change. This I am absolutely sure of.

 

[GaryTaylor]

In 2000, while he was 21, he was convicted of having sex with a fourteen year old girl (carnal knowledge of a juvenile). He was sentenced to five years in prison. As an ex-felon, he would not have been allowed to own a firearm, much less be permitted to carry a handgun. This does not mean pedophiles deserve to be shot. It only means he was facing a new felony just for having the handgun.

The news media have made much about the second video showing that he did not yet have a handgun in his hand when he was shot. However, I have only seen one article that includes the officer taking the handgun out of the right pocket of Mr. Sterling after he was shot, the same place where his right arm, which was still in motion, could have reached, and may have been reaching. This might be why the officer decided to shoot. At no time on the video did Mr. Sterling withdraw his hand to show the officers he did not have his gun. Officers are not obligated to wait and be shot first, or to wait until the finger is around the trigger. The continual struggle combined with the close proximity to the gun may justify the shooting.

Ok thanks, much clearer.

 

[Jake_Parker]

This is just disturbing!
The shooting in Falcon Heights, MN
youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXA9Zc9lw

It does seem sadly ironic, that after mass shootings such as the one at the Orlando nightclub, people suggest they would have been safer had they carried a gun.
It seems when the person is black, however, this does not apply. Even when they try to tell the officer right away that they have a gun they are permitted to carry.

I want to be objective about all of this. But it seems very difficult when things like this specific story in MN happen.

 

[pnewton]

And no it’s not just more racism to try and rectify an underlying racism embedded in our society.

No, it is not. It is a necessary task to always look and see if race played a part in any incident. We must also look at the wide picture to see the role of race in police encounters that do not end up on the news. But we must also be objective as to what is and is not a racial incident. A black victim does not mean an incident has a racial component, any more that a black officer means there is no racial component.

If this incident ends up being justified, then do not despair that there can be no justice. Such misplaced anger takes away from the truly unjust situations that can be addressed.

 

[pnewton]

This is just disturbing!
The shooting in Falcon Heights, MN
youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXA9Zc9lw

FYI - There is a thread on this specific incident. Yes, it is a very sad video. As to what transpired, the video starts after the fact. We may not have the story on this for a while.