Outrage over sexual freedom movements

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Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Except encyclicals are just written forms of existing church teaching, so they are infallibile. I urge you to read material online that proves Humanae Vitae is infallible.
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Sure, some might argue that some principle behind an encyclical is part of The Deposit (and thus infallible), but no theologian anywhere has correctly stated that encyclicals themselves are infallible. As a matter of fact, they’re very, very resistant to do that.

In charity, you’re just wrong here. Encyclicals are not infallible.

But I’ll not beat a dead horse any longer. Either you’ll accept it or you won’t. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Then we’ve reached an end. Thank you for the discussion, and may God guide us both to truth.
 
That rule would be very clear but certainly not easy. And it would also be very damaging to the health of the marriage.
 
Sex is supposed to be unitive too! Only having sex for procreative purposes denies a marriage of this.
 
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Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Let’s be honest here, if you’re a hedonist you’re more likely than not to be sexually immoral. I think the term fits, but doesn’t pack the punch that “whore” or the others used to describe women do.
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There used to be one of those fundamentalist protestant religious cult groups that would come out to the University where I work, stand in the quad, and call the women who walked by ‘whores and harlots’ because they didn’t approve of how they dressed.

They were jerks. The campus police finally kicked them off campus.
 
That’s uncalled for. The protesters, I mean, not the police.
 
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Sex is supposed to be unitive too! Only having sex for procreative purposes denies a marriage of this.
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If you remove the procreative aspect of sex, then you’re having the sort of sex that Catholicism doesn’t allow, unfortunately.

It doesn’t matter if you’re not ready for kids or if you already have more kids than you can afford. If your intimate encounters are not “open to life”, you’re apparently sinning.
This non-realistic stance is why the vast majority of Catholics and nearly all of Christendom quietly reject the utter boondoggle that is Catholic sexual teaching.
 
There’s plenty of apologetics that deal with it. Seek and ye shall find.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
There’s plenty of apologetics that deal with it. Seek and ye shall find.
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Plenty in-counter as well. And from ordained Catholics, no less!

But when dealing with a closed mind, all the apologetics in the world won’t make a difference.
No one can show you the color of the sky if you won’t open your eyes…
 
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The easiest thing would be to stray from Catholicism during one’s most fertile years, then come back and make a good confession around age 45. Just kidding!!!
 
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The easiest thing would be to stray from Catholicism during one’s most fertile years, then come back and make a good confession around age 45. Just kidding!!!
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I said the same thing.

Wait until wifey goes into menopause then come in, make a full confession and loudly proclaim “Lord! We submit unto you! Rule over our home and our (now barren) marriage bed!”

And all of heaven rolls it eyes…
 
I’m not condoning this, but I did happen to convert to Catholicism at age 40. So following all the rules has had fewer consequences (probably), than if I had been 25 or so…
 
I’m still very young and impressionable. I just happen to side with what the Pope said in his encyclical which has been argued to be infallible.
 
To sum it up, Prudeman (love the name!),

Catholicism teaches that artificial birth control is always wrong. Individual Catholics seem to differ on whether or not NFP is “birth control”, and when it is okay to follow NFP.

You probably already figured that out. I don’t really know why I am writing this. : )
 
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Yup, thats my point. Some people have this bizarre idea that sex is some kind of gross necessary evil we have to put up with for the sake of babies
 
It’s okay lol. This stuff is confusing but when I get married I’ll talk with my priest and spouse to see what works for us within church teaching. That’s still a long way off.
 
If I’m being honest, not using contraceptives doesn’t seem so hard. Society makes it seem necessary, yeah, but nobody’s with you and your spouse while you’re getting ready to have sex. It’d have to take true will to commit this sin, and it’s not something that easily ensnares.
 
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