Outrage over sexual freedom movements

[QwertyGirl]

Let’s be honest here, if you’re a hedonist you’re more likely than not to be sexually immoral. I think the term fits, but doesn’t pack the punch that “whore” or the others used to describe women do.

How about instead of labeling people we think about what a person is? Huh? Last time I checked, the Church was teaching that every single person is a child of God with a soul (not to mention parents). How uncharitable to slap a label like that on someone because (according to your Church) they have moral failings. This really is so uncalled for. I would ask you to consider that sexual sin is no different from any other sin. The consequences may be worse, but it really isn’t for you to judge the heart and soul of someone else. Just a reminder, friend.

 

[Vonsalza]

The idea I’m getting is that you don’t think unitive sex exists. You seem to believe that all sex should be procreative.

No, I think all sex should be “open to life” per Catholic teaching and deliberately withholding sex if she’s fertile violates this.

Unfortunately, this is the core mechanism of NFP…

 

[redbetta]

I notice that a lot of your posts contain something along the lines of “Are you people even listening to yourselves?”

And it is not that we don’t like sex. We just don’t like people being treated like objects, used up, and tossed away. The culture is actually pretty schizophrenic about sex with people, on one hand, being so paranoid about sexual assault that some don’t care if due process goes out the window and, on the other hand, BDSM actually being a thing.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

So we can’t deliberately withhold sex while our partner is fertile? Wouldn’t abstinence do the same thing?

 

[QwertyGirl]

There’s no shame in having a small family. Not everyone is called to a large one. What isn’t morally acceptable, though, is having casual sex repeatedly while denying the procreative or, even worse, marital purpose of sex. The increasing acceptance of such perversion is why we are angry.

I suggest you direct the energy of anger in a more positive direction. Human sexuality is one area where you will never control the activities or actions of other people. No need to be angry about it. Live your life according to your beliefs.

 

[Vonsalza]

So we can’t deliberately withhold sex while our partner is fertile? Wouldn’t abstinence do the same thing?

As we’ve covered 100 times before, the intent is the difference.

Conflating general “abstinence” with “I’ll only sleep with you when you’re infertile and I’ll abstain when you’re more fertile” is an absolute deception.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I can be angry that my future sons and daughters will be attacked by the culture which teaches that their way of life is wrong and repressive.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Ah okay, sorry. So essentially, once a couple can’t support more children, they should be abstinent?

 

[QwertyGirl]

I can be angry that my future sons and daughters will be attacked by the culture which teaches that their way of life is wrong and repressive.

Nobody is being attacked. Teach your kids what you want them to learn.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I was definitely attacked. I did not naturally slip into masturbation, it was a series of people, with support of the sexualized culture of today, that pushed me into the habit. If society wasn’t so sexualized I never would’ve started.

 

[dallas_r]

With regards to peer pressure, I was thinking more along the lines of how many teens must feel pressured into saying or doing what’s politically correct instead of what is correct in God’s eyes if they don’t want to be ostracized.

Oh yeah. This happened to me today because I was supporting the right to bear arms and the girl next to me lost her mind.

Most Protestant Christians are quick to profess that Jesus is God and he most certainly died for our sins and rose from the dead, so I’m thinking she has no idea what a Christian (Catholic or Protestant) actually believes and would buy magic beans if the advertisement was good

Hahaha, true. Do many non-Trinitarians still exist? I haven’t met many.

 

[QwertyGirl]

I was definitely attacked. I did not naturally slip into masturbation, it was a series of people, with support of the sexualized culture of today, that pushed me into the habit. If society wasn’t so sexualized I never would’ve started.

I doubt this. That activity has been around since the beginning of time. In fact it was probably more prevalent in the days before the “sexual revolution” . If you prefer to consider yourself under attack I guess that might be an indication of how you perceive the world.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

So a society that constantly pushes an addictive behavior as healthy and acceptable has less people do it than a society where it’s heavily stigmatized? Funny, that’s not at all how it worked for cigarettes.

 

[Elizabeth3]

I may sound harsh but the truth is that sexual liberation transformed many women in unpaid whores.

A lot of women have a lot of sex because they actually enjoy it.

To be fair, the top quote about “women into unpaid whores” is not mine. It’s one I responded to.

 

[QwertyGirl]

So a society that constantly pushes an addictive behavior as healthy and acceptable has less people do it than a society where it’s heavily stigmatized? Funny, that’s not at all how it worked for cigarettes.

How about the flip side… Someone like me says “A religion that takes a perfectly healthy behavior and tries to convince its followers that it is an addiction and evil?..”

I am sorry you feel like you had an addiction. I guess you are the only person who is able to decide if what you had was an addiction or not. I hate that the Church takes perfectly normal and healthy people, who engage in a perfectly normal and healthy behavior, and turns it into something ugly and damages the individual by bestowing guilt on them like that.

You see? What I am saying is it isn’t worth getting angry over. It is a big world with a lot of different viewpoints. My viewpoint doesn’t align with Catholic teaching. Yours does. It is nothing to get angry about. That is really the point I want to make.

It isn’t that I don’t care that you felt like you had an addiction, or that I think that it may be invalid. It is about the anger that your posts convey. It isn’t a good way to go.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

It’s not a perfectly healthy, perfectly normal behavior. The fact that you think that is a perfect example of how deformed this society is.

 

[redbetta]

Well, it’s normal in that a lot of people do it. But no one boasts about watching porn and masturbating the same way guys do about getting laid. Even in the secular culture, it’s pretty lame, which says a lot.

 

[Lea101]

Nobody is being attacked

This isn’t really true. People who choose not to have sex have been made fun of. Apparently when we decided that slut shaming was bad, society started to go to the other end.

And also, porn is more available now. That sucks. I have men who would immediately assume that women like me (no interest in sex) are potential notches on their belt and basically the way we view each other is corrupted. Men acting like they’re entitled to women’s bodies, for example, is definitely a result of sexism and all of that, but sexualised ads and all of that scum contributes to men thinking women are sex objects. Men are also being affected by this now that they’re being objectified more.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

It’s still championed as a healthy behavior.

 

[redbetta]

I know. I’m just trying to make a point. It’s nothing compared to a live human being. They prevalence of porn probably says something about how isolated we are from each other as a society or the damage to relations between the sexes.