Outspoken opponent of the gay agenda wins presidential election in Poland

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ATraveller said:
So it would appear there’s something else at play as to why LGBT youths are more likely to consider suicide.
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A gay friend of mine told me even if people respected him as an individual they often exclude because of an inability to see past being gay.

People with scars on their face even if it looks cool do not want to be condensed to that injury.

They are not the gay guy at the club, they are a guy.

This isolation can be difficult.

And there’s stereotypes all round; gays and lesbians are flamboyant or butch, bisexual/pansexual are promiscuous, transgender are weird and asexual must be anti social.

Either way all these people are treated like the are otherly. It’s isolating even if the never act on it because they can see how others who came out are treated. They live in anxiety of being found out.
 
ATraveller said:
So it would appear there could be something else at play as to why LGBT youths are more likely to consider suicide vs. heterosexual youths.
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I would imagine that any number of people - quite apart from moral upbringing - suffer if/when they find themselves confronting same sex attractions. They find themselves in a minority. They find themselves unlikely to form a family as their parents did and as most other people they know did. And they must know that something is not as it ought ordinarily to be. They are scared - not without reason. They need support and care.
 
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Anrakyr said:
A gay friend of mine told me even if people respected him as an individual they often exclude because of an inability to see past being gay.
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Rau said:
I would imagine that any number of people - quite apart from moral upbringing - suffer if/when they find themselves confronting same sex attractions. They find themselves in a minority. They find themselves unable to form a family as their parents did and as most other people they know did. And they must know that something is not as it ought ordinarily to be. They are scared - not without reason. They need support and care.
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What I’m sensing is that this is something beyond religion and the time spent on wagging our fingers at a very small minority isn’t exactly going to do much to help those who are contemplating suicide.
 
Rau said:
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Freddy:
Dad, Michelle has just told me she’s gay. Is she evil and is she going to burn in hell?’
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Don’t confuse objective sin with the personal sinfulness of any individual. The latter is not something we can know and not something that should be the subject of discussion (in a family or elsewhere).
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That would be an excellent response to the daughters question. But it is not likely to prevent the taunt in the second example.
 
ATraveller said:
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Anrakyr:
A gay friend of mine told me even if people respected him as an individual they often exclude because of an inability to see past being gay.
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Rau said:
I would imagine that any number of people - quite apart from moral upbringing - suffer if/when they find themselves confronting same sex attractions. They find themselves in a minority. They find themselves unable to form a family as their parents did and as most other people they know did. And they must know that something is not as it ought ordinarily to be. They are scared - not without reason. They need support and care.
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What I’m sensing is that this is something beyond religion and the time spent on wagging our fingers at a very small minority isn’t exactly going to do much to help those who are contemplating suicide.
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Nearly a third of Catholics who attend church weekly think that homosexuality should be discouraged. Young U.S. Catholics overwhelmingly accepting of homosexuality | Pew Research Center

I accept that most of those would argue that it’s the sin not the sinner. But they will still refer to homosexuality in negative terms. So I would argue that it’s not ‘a very small minority’. Even in this forum I have found a not insignificant number who are prepared to compare homosexuality with abhorrent acts which I refuse to repeat.
 
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Freddy said:
That would be an excellent response to the daughters question. But it is not likely to prevent the taunt in the second example.
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It’s is simply the appropriate catholic principle. Taunting anyone is also uncharitable and in opposition to catholic principles.
 
Rau said:
That’s seems tongue in cheek
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Actually, not really. If one teacher can’t speak of their home life and SO, then it should probably be a staff wide thing. Kids aren’t stupid, they’ll figure out why on teacher always speaks of her husband and why another doesn’t.
Rau said:
Perhaps no catholic school teacher should present as normal aspects of their life (if any) that are contrary to the moral tenets of the catholic faith?
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Depends what they sign and agree to. Again, when I worked at a Catholic high school I never signed anything like that. Actually, their last question to me after accepting the position was “are you Catholic?” My reply was no, and that was the last of it.
 
That’s because sodomy is an offense against nature and stated as one of the sins that cries to heaven for vengeance. To what are you referring: having SSA or acting on it?

Look at the language you used, Freddy: “still refer to homosexuality in negative terms”. That’s right, they do and they so properly. Homosexuality is not a positive trait. I also refer to lust, pride, greed, envy, inclination to be a usurer; lie; commit adultery; watch pornography; commit murder; engage in pedophilia; commit burglary, child abuse, etc. in negative terms because these inclinations are all wrong and sinful.

The reason that these conversations are not productive is because this particular inclination is used by its proponents as the primary identity of a certain individuals and conflates the inclination with the person.
 
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So what determines whether something is sinful is whether adherents agree to it? At what point did Catholicism–forget protestants who make up the rules as they go–declare that morality and God’s laws are negotiable based on opinion polls?
 
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I don’t need to learn to quote, I’m replying directly to a post. Second, it does have everything to do with what’s being discussed because terms have been conflated. Even the term acceptance is distorted in these discussions. I can accept, for instance, that my father died of metastatic small-cell lung cancer five months after diagnosis. It does not mean I like it nor celebrate it. But accept it, yes, I do. But I’ve found that with many more outspoken types regarding the issue of SSA, sodomy and other perverse acts that acceptance doesn’t mean accepting that somebody has certain inclinations which do not change our duty to treat them with human dignity and charity but rather means that we celebrate their inclinations and change our minds about the nature of the potential acts involved with such inclinations. A point which has been amply proven throughout this thread.
 
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buffalo said:
Part of the communist takeover agenda is
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Now its the commies agenda too? Couldn’t be that the communist party was trying to gain supported from disenfranchised in the system instead of trying to dismantle your world?

Why is everything an “Agenda” I have an agenda too, keeps my month organized. Guess I’m part of the Illuminati some such.
 
blackforest said:
The phrase “gay agenda” fails to capture the nuance of Catholic teaching. As has been mentioned in this thread, being gay or lesbian is not a sin, while having sex as such is.
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I think that is exactly what Duda is saying. He is not against gays, he’s against the propagation of homosexuality through the manipulation of sex education, the invention of gay “marriage” and so on.
 
Buffalo is quite right. The disintegration of the family is a feature of Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto and has been elaborated by the hard left into an ideology which denies even the existence of maleness and femaleness.
 
Maximian said:
Buffalo is quite right. The disintegration of the family is a feature of Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto and has been elaborated by the hard left into an ideology which denies even the existence of maleness and femaleness.
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Most people even myself who seem themselves left of the political spectrum are loath to go into extremes like that.
 
TC3033 said:
Actually, not really. If one teacher can’t speak of their home life and SO, then it should probably be a staff wide thing.
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:roll_eyes:. It is common practice that catholic school teachers won’t be hired if they are not comfortable with modelling catholic principles.
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Depends what they sign and agree to.
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Yes.
 
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