Palm Beach County at center of probe into voter fraud

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For some reason I don’t remember hearing all this concern on the left in the last election when Acorn was caught signing up dead people to vote.

We need tougher voting laws, period.
 
jwinch2 said:
For some reason I don’t remember hearing all this concern on the left in the last election when Acorn was caught signing up dead people to vote.

We need tougher voting laws, period.
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For years they have been telling us that voter fraud was so insignificant that no additional regulations were needed to try and prevent it. Now all of a sudden it is becoming big deal-but only, evidently, in a few counties in Florida and only when the culprits are republicans. You won’t have to search far, in fact, to find a multitude of democrats claiming that trying to suppress voter fraud disenfranchises the poor, minorities and the elderly-that is unless the accusations are made against republicans,
 
estesbob said:
For years they have been telling us that voter fraud was so insignificant that no additional regulations were needed to try and prevent it. Now all of a sudden it is becoming big deal-but only, evidently, in a few counties in Florida and only when the culprits are republicans. You won’t have to search far, in fact, to find a multitude of democrats claiming that trying to suppress voter fraud disenfranchises the poor, minorities and the elderly-that is unless the accusations are made against republicans,
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Actually, I just think they’re projecting.
 
jwinch2 said:
For some reason I don’t remember hearing all this concern on the left in the last election when Acorn was caught signing up dead people to vote.
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Actually, I think they’re just projecting.
 
I don’t think this case is proof of anything other than the existing system works. For all Rick Scott’s talk of rampant voter fraud that could ONLY be caught with his shiny expensive new Voter ID laws, the largest case in FL was found without them!

Of course, Rick’s laws weren’t focusing on his own party! :rotfl:
 
Seeker1961 said:
I don’t think this case is proof of anything other than the existing system works. For all Rick Scott’s talk of rampant voter fraud that could ONLY be caught with his shiny expensive new Voter ID laws, the largest case in FL was found without them!

Of course, Rick’s laws weren’t focusing on his own party! :rotfl:
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They werent? The why did this come to light?. In the Bizzaro world of Left wing politics, it appears, voter fraud is proof that we don’t need laws to stop voter fraud.
 
estesbob said:
They werent? The why did this come to light?. In the Bizzaro world of Left wing politics, it appears, voter fraud is proof that we don’t need laws to stop voter fraud.
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Please indicate how the new Voter ID law caught this particular case of fraud.
 
Seeker1961 said:
Please indicate how the new Voter ID law caught this particular case of fraud.
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I don’t know what Florida’s voter ID law requires, but the following (from a post of mine on the other thread on this subject) would absolutely take care of it:
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And there are three things that we can learn from this. Take this lesson as a good one:
  1. The practice of paying groups to perform voter registration (whether the group is ACORN or otherwise), particularly when the firms are paid by signature, should be added as a violation of both federal and state election law.
  2. A person’s proof of residence and identity should be insisted upon when that person registers to vote. And that proof should be witnessed by a person who takes an oath under penalty of felony perjury that he/she laid actual hands on the proof. And ALL voter registration records should be randomly audited.
  3. This is epitomizes why BOTH Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, should fully support voter identification laws and strict validation of the integrity of registration rolls.
Do I believe the Republicans could be doing this? Of course…they are human and subject to temptations as much as Democrats.
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What could possibly be wrong with the above?
 
bellasbane said:
BOYNTON BEACH — What began as suspect paperwork turned in by a $12-an-hour temp worker in South Florida has escalated into a statewide probe into possible voter fraud.

Elections officials from the Panhandle to Miami they are investigating whether a turn-out-the-vote campaign on behalf of the Republican Party led to an orchestrated effort to compromise voter registrations by submitting false forms.

Read more…

articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-09-28/news/fl-voter-fraud-probe-20120928_1_voter-fraud-voter-registration-registration-efforts
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Funny, because some liberals keep on saying voter fraud doesn’t exist.

Let me guess…another reason to feel better about voting for pro-choice, pro-so-called “gay marriage”, anti-freedom democrats?
 
markomalley said:
I don’t know what Florida’s voter ID law requires, but the following (from a post of mine on the other thread on this subject) would absolutely take care of it:

What could possibly be wrong with the above?
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So in other words, you cannot refute my point that the existing laws in FL brought this case of fraud to light and we did not and do not need additional Voter ID laws.
 
Seeker1961 said:
So in other words, you cannot refute my point that the existing laws in FL brought this case of fraud to light and we did not and do not need additional Voter ID laws.
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No, I can’t. I don’t know what the proposed voter ID laws say.

I will say this much, though: if a person is caught in a crime, it is pretty likely that the time he/she is caught is not the first and only time he/she has committed a crime (homicides being the possible exception).

Chances are that a person caught speeding has sped many times before he/she got the ticket.

Chances are that a person busted for dope wasn’t taking his/her first toke.

Chances are that the hooker that was caught was not on her first trick and that the john that was busted had seen hookers before.

Chances are that the business caught falsifying its books had been falsifying its books a long time before it was caught.

And so on and so forth.

The point being that if this little amount of voter fraud was caught, how much has gone undetected?

It is unreasonable to assume that this was the sole voter fraud in Florida. And I am not saying that the fraud is the sole province of either party (as the OP article illustrates). The only way that we can be assured that the voter rolls are accurate is to take action to make sure that they are accurate: to make sure that only people who are eligible to vote are enrolled; to make sure that those people are enrolled in the correct precinct, and to make sure that they vote once and once only. The integrity of elections is far, far too important to do otherwise.
 
Seeker1961 said:
I wonder how the Governor is going to handle the fact that his probe caught the “wrong” people!

:rotfl:
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The “wrong” people are those who commit voter fraud, regardless of party.

The only thing funny is that republicans will usually call out their own they screw up instead of paging the media and pundits to circle the wagons.

One would think this would get more dems on board with voter ID, but I guess they still have much more to gain (or lose) from it and they are willing to let R minor slips go by in order to have the chance to fix close elections.
 
From ABC/Univision The FBI has launched an investigation in Florida after hearing that a number of people in the state received letters claiming they are ineligible to vote. The official-looking letters falsely tell people that their citizenship status is in question. While the letters appear to come from county supervisors in Florida, they are postmarked from the Seattle area.

“You must complete the attached Voter Eligibility Form and return it to the Supervisor of Elections Office within 15 days of receipt. Failure to submit this form within fifteen (15) days will result in the removal of your name from the voter registration rolls and you will no longer be eligible to vote. A non registered voter who casts a vote in the State of Florida may be subject to arrest, imprisonment, and/or other criminal sanctions,” says the letter.

It is signed from Jerry Holland, the Duval County supervisor of elections, but he did not send them.

“The letterhead has a flag and an eagle in the top left corner of the letter and appears to be from Jerry Holland Supervisor of Elections but is not,” reads a statement from the Deputy Supervisor of Elections.
Of course, everybody knows that all voter intimidation efforts come from Republicans. :banghead:

From the Palm Beach Post:
Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner said similar letters have been turning up around the state. Each falsely purports to be sent from the supervisor of elections in the voter’s home county.
The letter Diamond received was sent from Seattle, Wash. There was no address, Diamond said. Based on people he talked to he suspects Republican voters were targeted. His suspicions, however, could not be verified Monday.
“It contained some pretty strong language,” he said. According to the letter, he had 15 days to return a form, proving his citizenship. If he didn’t, it claimed, his name would be removed from the voter rolls and he would be ineligible to vote in the Nov. 6 presidential election.
So why would the Republicans, who are the only ones who engage in voter intimidation, target other Republicans? :confused:

It must be a diversion plot to conceal their real evil plot to steal the Florida election.
https://imgur.com/AmWiu
 
I think it is importat to remember who the final boss of the FBI is. It has always been a very political organization. It’s injection into the election of swing state is totally inapproptiate.
 
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