Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

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ConfusedLucy said:
Transwomen are biologically men, they aren’t physically different from other men. Being a woman isn’t a costume, its different biology.
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There is a lot of research going into this at the moment; they may actually have a difference from cismen biologically speaking. Now, physically speaking it becomes a whole other game depending on whether the transwoman has taken hormones, had any surgeries (there are a host of them) and various other things.

For what it’s worth I agree; being a woman isn’t a costume. But to me that statement means that being a woman is more than just being born one. There are social ramifications, there are aspects that make us women that are more than just our bodies.
 
You say, “It is entirely and utterly against practice to tell a child what gender they are,” but here you are (see quote, below) expressing your opinion about what gender adults appear to be.

My guess is that although you insist it is "utterly against practice to tell a child what gender they are, you also make no qualms about telling a child what gender they are not, as evidenced here, even with adults.
Alex337 said:
Okay, but her body seems to have many female characteristics. She doesn’t look very male to me.
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Let’s face it, the social advocates who are the most vocal about gender, and the ones who can’t seem to resist voicing opinions about what gender is or isn’t, and the most insistent about imposing their own lack of clarity even upon young children, are the ones who are most confused about gender is and merely want to promote that confusion, as widely as possible,
 
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But the social ramifications are linked to our biology of being the weaker child bearing sex. Real women don’t get the option of identifying in or out of being women, It’s our reality and it can be really offensive seeing men reduce it to a costume or lifestyle.
 
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A lot of posters on this thread are contrary to Catholic teaching. 99% of people are born either male or female with no genetic abnormalities. If people cannot accept their sex, they should seek counseling to accept who God made them. Obviously, these people should be treated with sensitivity and the human dignity that is an inherent right to all persons, but to teach our children that one can just change an immutable characteristic is wrong. We should not sow confusion among our children. They also should not be forced to share showering and changing spaces with persons of the opposite sex.

To the original post, sex education does not need to be a graphic how to of various sex acts and self-abuse. Sex education should be taught from a biological stand point. The female cycle, sexual response, and human reproduction and gestation should be taught. Also education about STIs should be provided. Parents should be notified about the content of courses ahead of time, and allowed to opt out according to conscience. There are lots of Catholic books to help parents teach sexuality to their children as well as abstinence like Jason Evert’s books.
 
Single-stall bathrooms are smart in general… The bigger they are, the more trashed they get
 
ConfusedLucy said:
But the social ramifications are linked to our biology of being the weaker. Real women don’t get the option of identifying in or out of being women, It’s our reality and it can be really offensive seeing men reduce it to a costume or lifestyle.
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I assume you mean “on average”? Because, well, I’m far stronger than my husband. Being a woman is hard stuff. We play life on hardmode. If someone who was born male realises they’re a woman and wants to take on that huge test? Come aboard, sister; welcome to the world of not having pockets.

The sad fact is that transwomen often have it even worse than ciswomen. The rates they are murdered at are no joke. Choosing to live their real gender is incredibly dangerous; it loses them friends, it can lose them family, they can be fired (in the US it’s even legal to fire them purely for being trans) and many are flat out murdered for it.

That’s not reducing my gender to a costume; that’s risking absolutely everything they have to be who they are.

As an additional aside; people who were assigned female at birth can transition into men. So they can identify out of being women and they often tend to “pass” far better than transwomen do.
 
HarryStotle said:
You say, “It is entirely and utterly against practice to tell a child what gender they are,” but here you are (see quote, below) expressing your opinion about what gender adults appear to be.

My guess is that although you insist it is "utterly against practice to tell a child what gender they are, you also make no qualms about telling a child what gender they are not, as evidenced here, even with adults.
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Alex337:
Okay, but her body seems to have many female characteristics. She doesn’t look very male to me.
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Let’s face it, the social advocates who are the most vocal about gender, and the ones who can’t seem to resist voicing opinions about what gender is or isn’t, and the most insistent about imposing their own lack of clarity even upon young children, are the ones who are most confused about gender is and merely want to promote that confusion, as widely as possible,
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Friend, there is a vast difference between agreeing with an adults assessment of their own gender and telling a child what gender they are. I would also not tell an adult not to drive a car, I would tell a child not to.
 
Charbel said:
A lot of posters on this thread are contrary to Catholic teaching. 99% of people are born either male or female with no genetic abnormalities. If people cannot accept their sex, they should seek counseling to accept who God made them. Obviously, these people should be treated with sensitivity and the human dignity that is an inherent right to all persons, but to teach our children that one can just change an immutable characteristic is wrong. We should not sow confusion among our children. They also should not be forced to share showering and changing spaces with persons of the opposite sex.

To the original post, sex education does not need to be a graphic how to of various sex acts and self-abuse. Sex education should be taught from a biological stand point. The female cycle, sexual response, and human reproduction and gestation should be taught. Also education about STIs should be provided. Parents should be notified about the content of courses ahead of time, and allowed to opt out according to conscience. There are lots of Catholic books to help parents teach sexuality to their children as well as abstinence like Jason Evert’s books.
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So, at no point has anyone in this thread suggested sharing bathrooms. I suggested that shared restrooms suck for all involved and that single stall spaces are best.

In terms of sex ed, I see you agree that education about STIs should be given; does this include how to avoid them? Prophylactics?
 
I don’t doubt that transwomen suffer but I don’t think either men or women can identify out of their sexual biology, it will always be a costume even if it is a convincing costume.
 
ConfusedLucy said:
I don’t doubt that transwomen suffer but I don’t think either men or women can identify out of their sexual biology, it will always be a costume even if it is a convincing costume.
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Each is entitled to their opinion. But I’m not sure how a transwoman can be seen as a man when they in no way inhabit that role, nor claim it. Nor a transman be seen as a woman for that matter.

So I guess I ask; what about being a woman, if that is determined only by biology, makes it something that shouldn’t be changed? If its just biology then why not change?
 
It’s not a case of shouldn’t, biology can’t be changed. Personally I don’t mind if men want to wear make up and dresses, surgery is up to their conscience and beliefs but there is no way to turn them into how they would have been if born as women.
 
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Alex337:
Secondly, I don’t see how it’s “mutilating”
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O really you don’t see how it’s mutilating, you say?

Well, let me show you.

How does that glorify God?
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Friend, I’ve seen op pictures before so I’m afraid you’re not going to shock me. (Though I do wonder if this may be against the forum’s codes, so I would take it down were I you as I’d prefer not to have the thread closed). Any surgery before it is healed will look unsightly; those haven’t even had their stitches out yet, or their draining tube.

Would you show pictures of an appendectomy incision before it’s healed and bemoan it as a mutilation?
 
ConfusedLucy said:
It’s not a case of shouldn’t, biology can’t be changed. Personally I don’t mind if men want to wear make up and dresses, surgery is up to their conscience and beliefs but there is no way to turn them into how they would have been if born as women.
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I’m not sure that biology is so important. I mean if I found out tomorrow that I was actually intersex and had XY chromosomes I don’t think I’d suddenly stop being a woman even if biologically I’d never been one (by your definition).
 
Alex337 said:
Would you show pictures of an appendectomy incision before it’s healed and bemoan it as a mutilation?
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No, because it’s a necessary surgery.

I’m sorry but I could never in good conscience advocate for someone with healthy genitals to lop them off because they “feel like a woman, yea!”

I could passively accept a man dressing like a woman. I could even passively accept him taking hormones or getting cosmetic surgery… Maybe. I could accept a tranny who looks like a woman using a female bathroom.

I draw the line at, cannot, and will not, not even passively, accept him chopping off his franks n beans.
 
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I am in public education. There is already an “apparatus” or system for making what we call accommodations for students who have or are in non-typical or unusual situations, be it mental, physical, neurological, or behavioral. Currently I work with a group of students who all have bad anxiety disorders, [serious] and aspergers.

The accommodations they receive are highly confidential, and great pains are taken to make sure the students are not made to feel marginalized and so on. Children like the ones being talked about here in this thread can be helped, without involving or subjecting "general population kids to the special needs accommodations.

In other words,if there is a child who is experiencing some sort of gender crisis, or emotional upheaval, even what we consider disordered, these issues can and should be addressed individually. To force another child’s accommodations on the entire population of students in some sort of misguided special interest group driven effort to make this one child feel accepted, is outrageous. It is like giving an entire classroom injections so the one student with juvenile diabetes doesn’t feel awkward.

You might cry “apples and oranges” over my metaphor, but you can’t have it both ways. It is beyond cruel to force the therapy, treatment, or accommodations of one or two children on the entire student population. Mental or physical, it makes no difference. The medicine or specialized attention for one student, can easily be the poison for another.
 
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I’d consider that condition resulting in a woman. I mean the person would look female and have been socialised female.
 
Spyridon said:
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Alex337:
Would you show pictures of an appendectomy incision before it’s healed and bemoan it as a mutilation?
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No, because it’s a necessary surgery.

I’m sorry but I could never in good conscience advocate for someone with healthy genitals to lop them off because they “feel like a woman, yea!”

I could passively accept a man dressing like a woman. I could even passively accept him taking hormones or getting cosmetic surgery… Maybe.

I draw the line at, cannot, and will not, not even passively, accept him chopping off his franks n beans.
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I would like to say right away before getting to the meat of your post that using the term “tranny” is never okay. It is unneeded and hateful. While the Churchn may not approve of transgender people pursuing their gender they also tell us we should approach them with love; that is not love.

It is to that person. So trying to claim it a mutilation based on unhealed photos of a surgery is a wee bit silly.

Now, not all trans people have genital changing surgery. But those who do usually suffer from quite extreme dysphoria. In these instances those genitals cause them immense psychological pain. And they don’t have any positives to that person.

While altering genitals can be a confronting proposition it is important to remember; these people are choosing to do this to themselves. They’re not doing it to you.
 
The big irony, to me, with the current ideas on gender going around, are some of the contradictions.

We tell people girls can like ‘boy’ stuff and boys can like ‘girl’ stuff. Yet transgender reasoning requires a dichotomy.

Gender is only a social construct is another tenner, but physical surgeries make one into the other gender more fully.

For me, those contradictions require quite a bit of doublethink. To the extent that even when I was pretty liberal on sexual ideas, I was already having serious doubts on gender ideas.

As for your above comment on preventing STDs, not having sex is the easiest way to prevent them. While contraceptives lower the chance of getting an STD in an individual incident, a 20% chance with 1 Occurence is less likely to happen than a 2% chance with 50 occurrences. In other words, when people use contraceptives, it counterintuitively raises STD rates because they have a lot more.
 
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