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a_priori
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To God we all wear “pasted on skin tight pants”. …
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maurin
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Anima_Christi
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Why don’t you and your wife just dress modestly and appropriately, as you should for any Mass, whether NO or TLM? Nice button-up shirt and khakis or black dress pants, possibly a tie, and something with a non-revealing neckline and skirt that reaches past knees for your wife? Also it would be good if your wife pratice the apostolic custom that wasn’t changed until JP2 the Innovater in 1983 Code of Canon Law and wear a headcovering when going to Mass. A lacy mantilla isn’t necessary, a scarf or hat will do. You should be fine.I have considered going to a TLM…
But perhaps not. After all, my wife and I do not know if what we have would be considered appropriate attire.
Everytime I see some posters claim that the attire should not hold me back, I find another post (like the OP) that says otherwise.
I wouldn’t want to offend anyone. After all, their opinion is what is important there…right
IMHO, you have let yourself be robbed.
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Peterdiago
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I am shocked by the lack of charity envinced by most of the posts on this thread. Not the fact that the OP saw fit to mention this to the lady in question, but the fact that the OP saw fit to tell us all about it.
And the fact people saw fit to apply generalized statements to a specific case!
Yes, people should dress in a respectful manner for Mass. Yes, ladies should avoid wearing trousers which are ludicrously tight if this may cause distraction. Yes, people are perhaps within their rights and even called to mention this to the women in question.
But precisely what is achieved by posting a specific example on this forum and inviting a series of generalized responses? No-one knows the girl in question except the OP, and the OP only knows her in the most cursory and vague way. The OP knows her, simply, as “the girl who wore tight pants to Mass”.
Should she have done that? No. Should the OP have admonished her? Perhaps so.
Should the OP have come here and posted this in a gossiping manner? Absolutely not.
The argument has been made above that the girl might have not had any other clothes, or that she might simply not understand. A joke has been made regarding prostitutes and the fact she might have been just coming in for warmth.
You know what? She came. Sins and tight pants and all - she came. She offered no judgements against anyone, she came to a Mass where she didn’t even speak the language.
What is the story behind that? Do any of you who are so eager to apply generalized stories to this specific girl know that story?
I don’t know the specific circumstances of the girl’s life and I don’t see the need to apply generalized comments like “Oh, loads of people come like that.” I don’t see the need to dwell on this and report this as some gossip.
So a girl turned up in tight pants. You know what? If she had turned up in do-me pumps and a smile and propositioned the Priest it is no-one’s place to post it on a public forum like this!
All that does is encourage people to post generalized and unrelated tales of how people dress at Mass. It does not help the girl, the OP, the Church or any of us.
If the OP saw fit to admonish her, fine - that is her perogative as a Christian. It is also the perogative of a Parish to asign rules for dress code.
But I really don’t think that tale-telling gossip on an internet forum is needed. Does it help? Does it bring anyone closer to God? Or does it just make all these people in veils and dresses say “Me soooo holy!”?
Certainly, tight pants which are likely to distract me and the rest of my gender from the Body of Christ to the body of Christina are not what I would recommend for Mass. And I think abduring her not to wear them is a good idea.
But let’s not post gossip and tale-telling here, shall we?
And the fact people saw fit to apply generalized statements to a specific case!
Yes, people should dress in a respectful manner for Mass. Yes, ladies should avoid wearing trousers which are ludicrously tight if this may cause distraction. Yes, people are perhaps within their rights and even called to mention this to the women in question.
But precisely what is achieved by posting a specific example on this forum and inviting a series of generalized responses? No-one knows the girl in question except the OP, and the OP only knows her in the most cursory and vague way. The OP knows her, simply, as “the girl who wore tight pants to Mass”.
Should she have done that? No. Should the OP have admonished her? Perhaps so.
Should the OP have come here and posted this in a gossiping manner? Absolutely not.
The argument has been made above that the girl might have not had any other clothes, or that she might simply not understand. A joke has been made regarding prostitutes and the fact she might have been just coming in for warmth.
You know what? She came. Sins and tight pants and all - she came. She offered no judgements against anyone, she came to a Mass where she didn’t even speak the language.
What is the story behind that? Do any of you who are so eager to apply generalized stories to this specific girl know that story?
I don’t know the specific circumstances of the girl’s life and I don’t see the need to apply generalized comments like “Oh, loads of people come like that.” I don’t see the need to dwell on this and report this as some gossip.
So a girl turned up in tight pants. You know what? If she had turned up in do-me pumps and a smile and propositioned the Priest it is no-one’s place to post it on a public forum like this!
All that does is encourage people to post generalized and unrelated tales of how people dress at Mass. It does not help the girl, the OP, the Church or any of us.
If the OP saw fit to admonish her, fine - that is her perogative as a Christian. It is also the perogative of a Parish to asign rules for dress code.
But I really don’t think that tale-telling gossip on an internet forum is needed. Does it help? Does it bring anyone closer to God? Or does it just make all these people in veils and dresses say “Me soooo holy!”?
Certainly, tight pants which are likely to distract me and the rest of my gender from the Body of Christ to the body of Christina are not what I would recommend for Mass. And I think abduring her not to wear them is a good idea.
But let’s not post gossip and tale-telling here, shall we?
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maurin
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Interesting that you say “…to keep such things away from the TLM.” Have you made a god of the TLM?
Obviously we are all in agreement that this young woman made an egregious error in judgment and is quite immature or childish.
But who is anyone to keep anyone else away from Him?
Many of the reactions to this thread is one reason why I do not identify myself as Traditionalist, even though I am one.
BTW, Caesar, I hope your first day serving as Thurifer went well and without a hitch. It can be quite humiliating to have blunders made so public.
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maurin
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Thank you. You are a gentleman.
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Marilena
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good point. i guess i posted it because iam a woman with really strong emotions, and a deep sincere love for our Lord.
i was offended because i cannot ever think of hurting our Lord in any way. please note, i was not impolite to this lady at all. not by a long shot, and never would be. it is not my way. i never came off as arrogant or know it all. i took her aside and not publicly rampaged my point.
i thought i was doing the right thing. according to most of you, i guess not.
i was offended because i cannot ever think of hurting our Lord in any way. please note, i was not impolite to this lady at all. not by a long shot, and never would be. it is not my way. i never came off as arrogant or know it all. i took her aside and not publicly rampaged my point.
i thought i was doing the right thing. according to most of you, i guess not.
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maurin
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Maybe you can petition your Diocese’s TV station, if they have one, certainly your Archdiocese has one?, to host a show, “Apparel for the Masses.” I’m relieved that khakis (no cotton for me in slacks, only wool) and a button up shirt meet with your approval, as that is how I arrived this morning dressed in order to Worship. No tie, but a very nice light wool sweater vest and dress shoes (freshly polished). I arrived a half an hour early to pray the Rosary. Thankfully the Church was peaceful for 20 minutes before it got too boisterous. I am pleased to report that I saw no woman’s belly-button, thigh or cleavage. Actually, I was focused on Jesus and His Sacrifice and Resurrection, so I wasn’t paying attention around me.
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mdstanzel
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Well, that’s an eye full. Gotta stop thinking about it. Wife about to slap me.the pants were black, and one of those ultra thin type pants and low cut. her jacket was above her waist, and everyone could plainly see what she was wearing.
Was she Italian by any change? Not that that should really matter. But when I was in Italy, the women did not exactly think American like. They were very beautiful and liked to show it from what I remember 20 years ago. No telling how things have changed.
As far as letting her off the hook. Well it really depends how over the top she was dressed. It sounds like she was without a doubt dressed inappropriately for any kind of church service (Protestant or Catholic). The problem is not just God’s House. But men sin at the drop of a hat or in this case the drop of the pants.
I have seen some over the top atire before. Women ususally do this to get attention. It would have been more effective to just ignore her on the first go. But if she kept showing up skimpy, then someone should have politely pointed out the dress code. …Well I was going to suggest that I’d invite her to something and gently explain, but there is no way that I’d get that stupid and to talk to her considering that I’m married and would probably sleep in the dog house. So forget that idea.
You sounded like you didn’t go to far over the top. So let it go and if she shows up again ignore her and let someone else say something. I can’t imagine the priest not saying something if it was that over the top.
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Cristiano
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Come on people relax and cool it down. This forum is also a place wher to went our frustrations. I may or may not agree with Marilena’s behavior in talking to that woman. However, I had the impression that she did not post here to get kudos but to express her disappointment. Sometime we need to vent and it is easier to do it with people that somehow we consider close for one reason or another.
Please cut Marilena some slack. I just want to make sure that people understand that there was no gossip or character assasination here. She did not give any details about the specific person but she described the behaviors and the situation, that is to me more anger toward the situation and not toward the individual.
Please cut Marilena some slack. I just want to make sure that people understand that there was no gossip or character assasination here. She did not give any details about the specific person but she described the behaviors and the situation, that is to me more anger toward the situation and not toward the individual.
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Marilena
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i don’t think he saw her because if he did, he would’ve told her the dress code. i never saw her in line as far as i can remember for communion. all the men were gawking at her on her way out of church.Well, that’s an eye full. Gotta stop thinking about it. Wife about to slap me.
Was she Italian by any change? Not that that should really matter. But when I was in Italy, the women did not exactly think American like. They were very beautiful and liked to show it from what I remember 20 years ago. No telling how things have changed.
As far as letting her off the hook. Well it really depends how over the top she was dressed. It sounds like she was without a doubt dressed inappropriately for any kind of church service (Protestant or Catholic). The problem is not just God’s House. But men sin at the drop of a hat or in this case the drop of the pants.
I have seen some over the top atire before. Women ususally do this to get attention. It would have been more effective to just ignore her on the first go. But if she kept showing up skimpy, then someone should have politely pointed out the dress code. …Well I was going to suggest that I’d invite her to something and gently explain, but there is no way that I’d get that stupid and to talk to her considering that I’m married and would probably sleep in the dog house. So forget that idea.
You sounded like you didn’t go to far over the top. So let it go and if she shows up again ignore her and let someone else say something. I can’t imagine the priest not saying something if it was that over the top.
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Karin
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Cristiano
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Wow! Talking about stereotypes!!!Well, that’s an eye full. Gotta stop thinking about it. Wife about to slap me.
Was she Italian by any change? Not that that should really matter. But when I was in Italy, the women did not exactly think American like. They were very beautiful and liked to show it from what I remember 20 years ago. No telling how things have changed.
I have never seen an Italian woman with a big tattoo at the top of her butt showing from a pair of jeans when kneeling down. I am glad that they do not think American like.
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teachccd
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I concur. How many people come to Mass wearing tight pants on their souls? Whomever among us that is without sin cast the first stone…
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mdstanzel
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That’s my main reason. Men are pretty stupid (sorry for another stereotype). Jesus said that even if we think it we’ve sinned it. What about the little girls that see this as cute. And oh my the teenage boys. The sin going all over the place.
But I still think that we should just bury our faces in our hands to avoid seeing it.
There are all kinds of places that she could have come from I just added that as a “culture has a lot to do with what people do”. She may just have been fullfilling her Sunday obligation and apparently the boys fantacies.
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paramedicgirl
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And spoken from a soapbox, no doubt.
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paramedicgirl
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Yeah. Quit beating up Marilena, would ya? If you read Cristiano’s post above, you will see that some people here are being rather harsh to Marilena. I think some here have given her a hard enough time. Lay off.
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teachccd
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And did you reprimand all of those gawking men? Were their actions any better??:tsktsk:
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Karin
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teachccd
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For crying out loud. I’m a man and I have self control especially at Mass. Talk about blowing an incident out of proportion!!!:bigyikes:That’s my main reason. Men are pretty stupid (sorry for another stereotype). Jesus said that even if we think it we’ve sinned it. What about the little girls that see this as cute. And oh my the teenage boys. The sin going all over the place.
She may just have been fullfilling her Sunday obligation and apparently the boys fantacies.
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