Pastor, bishop, nun among 10 arrested at NYC immigration reform rally

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But you do most of the people that are being affected, effected are Hispanics, that’s not a novelty, it shouldn’t come to you as a surprise.
Hispanics, Asians, and many others. I don’t think that playing the race card is helpful to the immigration debate. It just further alienates those who we need to be on our side. Yelling “bigot” at people, as many pro-immigrant groups do, generally gets people upset, don’t you think? Or, do you see that as a working strategy?
 
Hispanics, Asians, and many others. I don’t think that playing the race card is helpful to the immigration debate. It just further alienates those who we need to be on our side. Yelling “bigot” at people, as many pro-immigrant groups do, generally gets people upset, don’t you think? Or, do you see that as a working strategy?
If you read the message closely you will see that I’m not just saying Hispanics, my point was Hispanics is who gets most affected, yes Europeans, Asians, Africans get affected, but the majority is Hispanic. All I’m saying is that if we don’t learn from our mistakes were doomed to repeat it.
 
If you read the message closely you will see that I’m not just saying Hispanics, my point was Hispanics is who gets most affected, yes Europeans, Asians, Africans get affected, but the majority is Hispanic. All I’m saying is that if we don’t learn from our mistakes were doomed to repeat it.
What mistakes are those? Blanket amnesty like we did in 1986 that didn’t actually reform anything? Yes. I agree, we should not do that again. We’ve learned from our mistakes.
 
Well, I know plenty of people who came from the same Latin American country illegally. They had the same background. They had the same choice. Some took a legal one and some did not.

In what alternate reality does it make sense that someone who is immigrating legally gets punished by having to wait on a list for a decade and someone who is immigrating illegally gets rewarded with instant citizenship?
I see that as an extension of “God favours whom he wills to favour”. Life is not intrinsically fair, it seems to have escaped you. Matthew 20 comes to mind.
 
What mistakes are those? Blanket amnesty like we did in 1986 that didn’t actually reform anything? Yes. I agree, we should not do that again. We’ve learned from our mistakes.
So what right wing lunatics said that giving reform would bring more terrorist attacks doesn’t bother you. Shouldn’t we learn from that? Shouldn’t comments like that, which men and women in our congress have the pressure from, I mean your saying those comments are ok, which is lies.

But like I said, I’m not here to give them a citizenship card tomorrow. Give them a 10 year probation period, let them earn it, I never said give them a parade and then their citenzenship.
 
Sr. Susan Wilcox, 54, is a member of the Sisters of St. Joseph/Brentwood. The order, founded in France in 1650, “seeks to promote justice, to live lives of non-violence and to respond to the needs of our time.” She entered religious life in 1999, at the age of 40. She currently teaches at St. Joseph’s College in Clinton Hill, Brooklyn.
Sister Wilcox is a Catholic Sister.
 
So what right wing lunatics said that giving reform would bring more terrorist attacks doesn’t bother you. Shouldn’t we learn from that? Shouldn’t comments like that, which men and women in our congress have the pressure from, I mean your saying those comments are ok, which is lies.
If the USA has so many right wing lunatics, why would anyone want to immigrate to the USA? Why not choose a better country such as Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, Peru, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Uganda or China? There are plenty of other countries to immigrate to and perhaps they do not have the lunatics that you have mentioned here. I believe that a country has every right to set up immigration laws as it sees fit. The USA should be able to defend itself against criminals who intend to break laws by being in the country illegally.
 
So what** right wing lunatics **said that giving reform would bring more terrorist attacks doesn’t bother you. Shouldn’t we learn from that? Shouldn’t comments like that, which men and women in our congress have the pressure from, I mean your saying those comments are ok, which is lies.

But like I said, I’m not here to give them a citizenship card tomorrow. Give them a 10 year probation period, let them earn it, I never said give them a parade and then their citenzenship.
We are mostly in agreement, it sounds like, but I think your methods of demonizing those who disagree are caustic and won’t help the cause. We need to get to a compromised agreement that will bring real reform. Address the concerns for security. Terrorists have abused our current immigration situation, so “lies” is a bit extreme.

There is nothing wrong with strengthening the border, while at the same time, finding a way to take care of our huge number of illegal immigrants.
 
But this was there land, they were here first. Just like many here say this is “their land”,
Yes, the Indians were here first. And they fought like wildcats to keep the Europeans out, and they lost that battle. So now Americans fight to keep a new batch of intruders out. It’s the same age-old story retold over and over and over again throughout history. There is nothing new under the sun. One group of people displace another. This is what white people get for having such low birth rates. It’s happening all over Europe, too.
 
What all of you, especially those opposed to immigration reform have failed to note is that our immigration laws are based on racial and religious prejudice.
The first immigration laws passed in the late 19th Century were against Chinese and Japanese immigration - to protect America from the “Yellow Peril”. Then, the Congress and Senate panicked in the early part of the 20th Century by the massive immigration from Eastern Europe and Italy…The US was endangered from the huge numbers of Catholics from Italy and Poland and horror of horrors- Jews from Eastern Europe. It got to the point that by 1930, it was almost impossible for any European or Asian - with the possible exception of the English or Germans- to immigrate into the US. These laws were part of the reason the Holocaust was as successful as it was. We refused to let several shiploads of refugees enter the US because they were Jews…and our State Department prevented Cuba from allowing them to enter. These ships went back to Europe, where all of their passengers were sent to the camps…and there were no survivors.
Havana, Cuba ended up with the second largest Chinese population in North America because Chinese would knowing they couldn’t enter the US, thought that if they became Cuban Citizens, they could then enter the US. They were wrong! Congress passed laws forbidding Cubans of Asian extraction to enter the US.
Even today, the main reason for the Western States, in particular California, Nevada and Arizona are opposed to Latinos is that the Mexicans are not only ethnically Indians, but they are Catholics. And, they cite South Florida as a bad example due to the huge Latino population South of Fort Lauderdale!
If any of you could sit in the waiting room of the Immigration Service Offices in Manhattan, New York City for a half an hour, you would come away ashamed to be an American, just because of the way the petty bureaucrats treat the foreigners! The only people they are decent to are those they know to be attorneys or native born American Citizens.
And, in my opinion, the arguments you all posted are the same I have heard for over 50 years. You all are buying into the same arguments that keep our co-religionists out of the country.
Until you have driven across the USA or crossed it in a Bus, you have no idea as to how large this country is, and how empty much of it is. There is plenty of room for new immigrants, no matter where they come from! A good recent example was the large number of Viet Namese that came to this country at the end of the war. The doom Sayers said there wasn’t enough room for them…well, they have blended in and have rejuvenated the fishing industry along the Gulf Coast.
 
What all of you, especially those opposed to immigration reform have failed to note is that our immigration laws are based on racial and religious prejudice.
The first immigration laws passed in the late 19th Century were against Chinese and Japanese immigration - to protect America from the “Yellow Peril”. Then, the Congress and Senate panicked in the early part of the 20th Century by the massive immigration from Eastern Europe and Italy…The US was endangered from the huge numbers of Catholics from Italy and Poland and horror of horrors- Jews from Eastern Europe. It got to the point that by 1930, it was almost impossible for any European or Asian - with the possible exception of the English or Germans- to immigrate into the US. These laws were part of the reason the Holocaust was as successful as it was. We refused to let several shiploads of refugees enter the US because they were Jews…and our State Department prevented Cuba from allowing them to enter. These ships went back to Europe, where all of their passengers were sent to the camps…and there were no survivors.
Havana, Cuba ended up with the second largest Chinese population in North America because Chinese would knowing they couldn’t enter the US, thought that if they became Cuban Citizens, they could then enter the US. They were wrong! Congress passed laws forbidding Cubans of Asian extraction to enter the US.
Even today, the main reason for the Western States, in particular California, Nevada and Arizona are opposed to Latinos is that the Mexicans are not only ethnically Indians, but they are Catholics. And, they cite South Florida as a bad example due to the huge Latino population South of Fort Lauderdale!
If any of you could sit in the waiting room of the Immigration Service Offices in Manhattan, New York City for a half an hour, you would come away ashamed to be an American, just because of the way the petty bureaucrats treat the foreigners! The only people they are decent to are those they know to be attorneys or native born American Citizens.
And, in my opinion, the arguments you all posted are the same I have heard for over 50 years. You all are buying into the same arguments that keep our co-religionists out of the country.
Until you have driven across the USA or crossed it in a Bus, you have no idea as to how large this country is, and how empty much of it is. There is plenty of room for new immigrants, no matter where they come from! A good recent example was the large number of Viet Namese that came to this country at the end of the war. The doom Sayers said there wasn’t enough room for them…well, they have blended in and have rejuvenated the fishing industry along the Gulf Coast.
Nice rant. How does it help us to get immigration reform?
 
**Nice rant. **How does it help us to get immigration reform?
Being rude when you’re new somewhere is always a winning strategy. 👍 I thought the post was very well-written and very informative. And I thank George for that, and I’m sorry he has to deal with your pettiness.
 
Being rude when you’re new somewhere is always a winning strategy. 👍 I thought the post was very well-written and very informative. And I thank George for that, and I’m sorry he has to deal with your pettiness.
Okay. It looked like a rant to me. 🤷
 
Don’t know about others, but I’ve tired of the st Augustine and Chero show…good night all!
 
What all of you, especially those opposed to immigration reform have failed to note is that our immigration laws are based on racial and religious prejudice…
If the USA has so much racial and religious prejudice, then people are free to immigrate to other countries where life is so much better. Why not try North Korea, Japan, Mexico, Honduras, Kosovo, Syria, Azerbaijan, Uzbekhistan, Cuba, Haiti, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Angola, Benin, Botswana, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Ethiopia, Mali, Namibia, or one of the many other countries which are much more welcoming and have much more peaceful histories than the USA.
 
If the USA has so much racial and religious prejudice, then people are free to immigrate to other countries where life is so much better. Why not try North Korea, Japan, Mexico, Honduras, Kosovo, Syria, Azerbaijan, Uzbekhistan, Cuba, Haiti, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Angola, Benin, Botswana, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Ethiopia, Mali, Namibia, or one of the many other countries which are much more welcoming and have much more peaceful histories than the USA.
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Hispanics, Asians, and many others. I don’t think that playing the race card is helpful to the immigration debate. It just further alienates those who we need to be on our side. Yelling “bigot” at people, as many pro-immigrant groups do, generally gets people upset, don’t you think? Or, do you see that as a working strategy?
And don’t forget those Canadians. :rolleyes: (living in Michigan, I knew quite a few Canadians who were in the country illegally)
 
I see that as an extension of “God favours whom he wills to favour”. Life is not intrinsically fair, it seems to have escaped you. Matthew 20 comes to mind.
That only works if you attribute to the federal government the same power and omnicience as you do to God. :mad: I don’t. Life is not fair and the acts of God may not seem fair but we as individuals are called to treat each other fairly and to ensure that our elected officials do the same.
 
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