Pastor, bishop, nun among 10 arrested at NYC immigration reform rally

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You be ashamed of being from Latin America. Just b/ c our people cannot get legal status does not mean I’m out here trying to be an a** to them. Look, you should know that in our home countries theirs not any real rules, it’s filled with corruption. So for them to be able to better their situation they’ll do whatever they can to better their situation.

How do you know that the early fathers didn’t come here illegally, probably not them but their parents were. You have to remember was only natives, so for whites to have been here they needed to immigrate.
Are you serious? Come on man all you’re doing is race bating. I am also of Hispanic descent and I don’t agree with illegal immigration. If people are trying to make better for them selves then why not fight as a society to improve their nation? Many people did it in this country, so why not in others?
 
Your catholic, the commandments say thou shall not kill, so now your saying bc there were no rules here, they had the liberty to kill? Just bc there was no laws it did not give those men the right to take over and kill a lot of natives. So are you going to be like today’s society, ah it was ok since there was no laws.
First of all it’s not you should not kill, it’s you shall not MURDER, there is a difference. The natives were also immigrants, no one just appeared here out of thin air. Yes bad things happen, but in the end this country was born. Rule and laws were made. Having immigration laws are not sinful nor bad. Every nation has them, even tribes and kingdoms do, it’s been like that since the beginning and it will be like that till the end so get used to it my friend. Mexico has some of the harshest and possible inhumane immigration laws so why don’t you go pick a bone with them? Has I stated earlier the Church states that every nation has a right to regulate their borders.
 
Your saying that it was ok for the Europeans to have killed natives just bc their were no laws. You sound like a modernists, ah it’s ok I can sleep with as many partners S I want just bc society thinks it’s ok.
Why do you keep implying the same thing over and over again? You’re not helping your argument
 
It’s easy to blame only the white man for breaking God’s law…until you realize that Native Americans were engaging in far more brutal practices and taking eachother’s land. That part gets glossed over though. 🤷:rolleyes:
Just read Blackhawck’s writings, he despised the Cherokee people and would have annihilated all of them if he could.
 
What all of you, especially those opposed to immigration reform have failed to note is that our immigration laws are based on racial and religious prejudice.
The first immigration laws passed in the late 19th Century were against Chinese and Japanese immigration - to protect America from the “Yellow Peril”. Then, the Congress and Senate panicked in the early part of the 20th Century by the massive immigration from Eastern Europe and Italy…The US was endangered from the huge numbers of Catholics from Italy and Poland and horror of horrors- Jews from Eastern Europe. It got to the point that by 1930, it was almost impossible for any European or Asian - with the possible exception of the English or Germans- to immigrate into the US. These laws were part of the reason the Holocaust was as successful as it was. We refused to let several shiploads of refugees enter the US because they were Jews…and our State Department prevented Cuba from allowing them to enter. These ships went back to Europe, where all of their passengers were sent to the camps…and there were no survivors.
Havana, Cuba ended up with the second largest Chinese population in North America because Chinese would knowing they couldn’t enter the US, thought that if they became Cuban Citizens, they could then enter the US. They were wrong! Congress passed laws forbidding Cubans of Asian extraction to enter the US.
Even today, the main reason for the Western States, in particular California, Nevada and Arizona are opposed to Latinos is that the Mexicans are not only ethnically Indians, but they are Catholics. And, they cite South Florida as a bad example due to the huge Latino population South of Fort Lauderdale!
If any of you could sit in the waiting room of the Immigration Service Offices in Manhattan, New York City for a half an hour, you would come away ashamed to be an American, just because of the way the petty bureaucrats treat the foreigners! The only people they are decent to are those they know to be attorneys or native born American Citizens.
And, in my opinion, the arguments you all posted are the same I have heard for over 50 years. You all are buying into the same arguments that keep our co-religionists out of the country.
Until you have driven across the USA or crossed it in a Bus, you have no idea as to how large this country is, and how empty much of it is. There is plenty of room for new immigrants, no matter where they come from! A good recent example was the large number of Viet Namese that came to this country at the end of the war. The doom Sayers said there wasn’t enough room for them…well, they have blended in and have rejuvenated the fishing industry along the Gulf Coast.
So then why do immigrant most flee to major cities? Doom sayers? How about the statistics that more than half of illegal immigrant’s children end up in some sort of gang affiliation or in prison?
 
I highly doubt that. Most people here are against the breaking of federal laws. The Church says that every sovereign nation has the right to control its borders and who comes in. So why is the US any different? It’s not fair for those who struggle and wait years for citizenship while others who have come here illegally, abusing the system, demand citizenship. Most people have a problem with that and that doesn’t make one a bad Catholic contrary to the what the “social justice” crowd says. Giving amnesty will only promote more illegal immigration, so this is not a valid solution, but neither is mass deportation because this will lead to the breaking up of families which is inhumane. The democratic part does not care about immigrants, all they see is more votes, and I am sure the other side thinks the same way.
So if what you say is true, why is it that the Catholic Church, especially Catholic Charities is out helping these illegals. Can you explain that to me? I would like to hear your answer b/c you sound like your contradicting yourself with the Church stance?
 
Please Chero! Don’t act as a victim. Numerous people of illegal status are doing well with free health care and social services.
Are you serious? That’s a bold face lie. The ones who are getting the so called healthcare and food stamps are American citizens. When my dad left, my mom went to the food stamp place and they only gave my mom 25 dollars a month, for me, my brother and sister who has down syndrome. You know these American citizens, black and Hispanics and whites, would park 3 4 blocks away and lie on their paperwork guess how much they got, you got it, over 700 dollars a month. Their American citizens just like us. They have 6 kids from 6 different daddies. So don’t come telling me that illegals are the ones taking up the money. You don’t know how many times we saw “American citizens” lie and park their brand new cars a several blocks away so the food stamp place wouldn’t see them with their cars. These things will not be shown in the news, you need to go out and see the truth.
 
First of all it’s not you should not kill, it’s you shall not MURDER, there is a difference. The natives were also immigrants, no one just appeared here out of thin air. Yes bad things happen, but in the end this country was born. Rule and laws were made. Having immigration laws are not sinful nor bad. Every nation has them, even tribes and kingdoms do, it’s been like that since the beginning and it will be like that till the end so get used to it my friend. Mexico has some of the harshest and possible inhumane immigration laws so why don’t you go pick a bone with them? Has I stated earlier the Church states that every nation has a right to regulate their borders.
So I cannot kill, but its ok to murder? Are you serious? Trust me I have been harsh on Mexico, I have said how can they want equality for their people when they don’t give it. Know me first before you lie about my persona.
 
Are you serious? Come on man all you’re doing is race bating. I am also of Hispanic descent and I don’t agree with illegal immigration. If people are trying to make better for them selves then why not fight as a society to improve their nation? Many people did it in this country, so why not in others?
A large percentage of Hispanic illegal immigrants are from Mexico.

The unemployment rate in Mexico is lower than ours.

Wages in Mexico are about 1/3 of ours, but so is the cost of living.

Mexico is not “third world”. It’s somewhere in the teens in the list of countries when it comes to average earnings.

However, if one works in the U.S. and spends the money in Mexico or sends it there, it will buy more than it would here and that the same work would earn in money there. It’s sort of like the oil workers here who go to some place like Kuwait where wages for skilled oilmen are very high, and make a lot of money to bring back home.

And so, for this “cause” we are going to make it even harder for our own people, including legal Hispanics, to get work? Shall we start exiling American citizens to Mexico to make room for the illegal immigrants here?

But perhaps liberal elitists like seeing poverty (in others, of course) because they can feel so good when they give somebody else’s money to them. What a tragedy it would be for their feeling of moral superiority if people in this country could actually get jobs and not be poor anymore.

And before someone starts throwing stones at me, let me ask you whether you have risked your own material welfare by sponsoring an immigrant family. If you haven’t, then you have no call to force others in this society to do so.
 
So I cannot kill, but its ok to murder? Are you serious?
That was not what was said, but Catholic moral teaching is that murder is always gravely sinfully. Killing is a serious matter, but not always sinful.
 
A few points:
  1. This so-called immigration reform seems mostly about getting status for people who’ve broken our laws.
  2. Highly favors Hispanics over other immigrant groups.
  3. Is about providing low wage workers when we have plenty of people here already to fill those jobs but we won’t require to them to work. Plenty of folks on the dole that could do manual labor if they wanted or had too.
My wife’s brother has been waiting over 20 years to come here legally. He’s college educated and speaks English and has willing sponsors to support him (us). Just the sort of people we should be trying to attract. Not uneducated and unskilled folks. We already have plenty of those.

If you really care about the poor you should address those issues in their home countries like Mexico.
 
At times like this, I think back to the words of that great labor organizer, César Chavez:For so many years we have been involved in agricultural strikes; organizing almost 30 years as a worker, as an organizer, and as president of the union–and for all these almost 30 years it is apparent that when the farm workers strike and their strike is successful, the employers go to Mexico and have unlimited, unrestricted use of illegal alien strikebreakers to break the strike. And, for over 30 years, the Immigration and Naturalization Service has looked the other way and assisted in the strikebreaking.

I do not remember one single instance in 30 years where the Immigration service has removed strikebreakers… The employers use professional smugglers to recruit and transport human contraband across the Mexican border for the specific act of strikebreaking…

We have observed all these years the Immigration Service has a policy as it has been related to us, that they will not take sides in any agricultural labor dispute… They have not taken sides means permitting the growers to have unrestricted use of illegal aliens as strikebreakers, and if that isn’t taking sides, I don’t know what taking sides means.
So I guess there are those who would say that he supported “German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques”. And, I reckon, there would be others who would likely compare Mr. Chavez to Nativists, Know-Nothings, APA supporters, and Klansmen.

Interesting.
 
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