Pastor, bishop, nun among 10 arrested at NYC immigration reform rally

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chero23 said:
So what right wing lunatics said that giving reform would bring more terrorist attacks doesn’t bother you. Shouldn’t we learn from that? Shouldn’t comments like that, which men and women in our congress have the pressure from, I mean your saying those comments are ok, which is lies.
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Are you sure those are lies? Can you prove that opening our borders would not have the effect of making it easier for terrorists to enter? It seems pretty common sense to me that if you do no background checks and you give blanket permission to stay regardless of prior criminal or terrorist history, you will probably get more terrorists. At best, such statements are an exaggeration.
But like I said, I’m not here to give them a citizenship card tomorrow. Give them a 10 year probation period, let them earn it, I never said give them a parade and then their citenzenship
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Well, actually, you did. You jumped all over me when I said - reform, yes; instant citizenship, no. My comment against instant citizenship is what led to your accusing the founding fathers (and my relatives) of coming here illegally.
 
Tomdstone said:
If the USA has so many right wing lunatics, why would anyone want to immigrate to the USA? Why not choose a better country such as Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, Peru, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Uganda or China? There are plenty of other countries to immigrate to and perhaps they do not have the lunatics that you have mentioned here. I believe that a country has every right to set up immigration laws as it sees fit. The USA should be able to defend itself against criminals who intend to break laws by being in the country illegally.
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Against criminals I agree, but most of these immigrants are not coming here to commit bad things.
 
SaintAugustine said:
Nice rant. How does it help us to get immigration reform?
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Remember I told you yesterday that we must learn from the past. You then brought out the 86 reform. But you see when these bad immigration laws came out against the Japanese, you should be thinking to yourself, ok we need something that is not so bad as they treated the Japanese, but also something that is not simple as the 86 reform. You have to agree that the USA is not an angel in all of this. Sure people can say follow the laws, but no one really is, California, Arizona (except for that crazy sheriff out there), New Mexico, and texas. 2 out of those 4 states are red states, states that should be very anti immigration, yet they don’t follow the law either.
 
Corki said:
Are you sure those are lies? Can you prove that opening our borders would not have the effect of making it easier for terrorists to enter? It seems pretty common sense to me that if you do no background checks and you give blanket permission to stay regardless of prior criminal or terrorist history, you will probably get more terrorists. At best, such statements are an exaggeration.

Well, actually, you did. You jumped all over me when I said - reform, yes; instant citizenship, no. My comment against instant citizenship is what led to your accusing the founding fathers (and my relatives) of coming here illegally.
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No you said that they shouldn’t be jumping the line. I have never heard anybody who is for the reform that wants to jump the line. They want something that can lead them to the path of citizenship. What bothered me is that you said well my family did it legally. Well thank God that they did, but others for x,y, or z couldn’t do it and now are here illegally. Is it wrong trying to better your family situation? I don’t think so
 
chero23 said:
No you said that they shouldn’t be jumping the line.** I have never heard anybody who is for the reform that wants to jump the line.** They want something that can lead them to the path of citizenship.
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What do you mean you have never heard of someone who wants to jump the line? The pictures in the article linked in the OP have many people with signs saying “Citizenship Now”. “Now” is jumping the line. No one who has immigrated here legally gets citizenship “now”. There are a few that get green cards (residency) right away but there is **always **a wait for citizenship. (if you are here legally)
 
Corki said:
What do you mean you have never heard of someone who wants to jump the line? The pictures in the article linked in the OP have many people with signs saying “Citizenship Now”. “Now” is jumping the line. No one who has immigrated here legally gets citizenship “now”. There are a few that get green cards (residency) right away but there is **always **a wait for citizenship. (if you are here legally)
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No they know that their going to be held liable, either to learn English, have a clean record. What you think someone who has DWI is going to be accepted? Come on, don’t let the word now mean to you that their going to bypass everyone.
 
These are not Catholics who were arrested.

The bishop is from place called New christian fellowship. Not sure about the pastor. the “nun” is not a traditional religious who would never support ILLEGAL immigration. I looked her up - she doesn’t like the hierarchy. And there was a picture of some sign that said “occupy catholics”. That’s NOT a good sign.
 
chero23 said:
No they know that their going to be held liable, either to learn English, have a clean record. What you think someone who has DWI is going to be accepted? Come on, don’t let the word now mean to you that their going to bypass everyone.
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I didn’t say “everyone” but if they are going to let even some illegals get citizenship right away while those who immigrate legally have to wait, that’s jumping the line. I don’t know what else you could call it. 🤷
 
jediliz said:
These are not Catholics who were arrested.

The bishop is from place called New christian fellowship. Not sure about the pastor. the “nun” is not a traditional religious who would never support ILLEGAL immigration. I looked her up - she doesn’t like the hierarchy. And there was a picture of some sign that said “occupy catholics”. That’s NOT a good sign.
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She is a Catholic nun, and she is one of the leaders of Occupy Catholics. She is a radical.
 
SaintAugustine said:
Cool. Show demonstrate what laws the settlers from Europe broke.
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The law of GOD. Native Americans slaughtered. Those that weren’t were put on “Reservations”. “Hey, we’re taking all your land and many of your lives. Sorry 'bout all the corpses. BTW, we’re Christians!”
 
ReConverted said:
The law of GOD. Native Americans slaughtered. Those that weren’t were put on “Reservations”. “Hey, we’re taking all your land and many of your lives. Sorry 'bout all the corpses. BTW, we’re Christians!”
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I told him that, but his answer was, “well there were no laws back then”, want to talk about hypocrisy.
 
I support immigration reform and traffic enforcement. 🤷 I mean, it is not like blocking the street did anyone a bit of good.
 
ReConverted said:
The law of GOD. Native Americans slaughtered. Those that weren’t were put on “Reservations”. “Hey, we’re taking all your land and many of your lives. Sorry 'bout all the corpses. BTW, we’re Christians!”
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Probably most of the Indians were killed by Eurasian diseases. It would do good to read up on that. It was inevitable. Sooner or later, either Europeans, Asians or Africans would have crossed to America, or Indians would have traveled to Africa or Europe and the result would have been the same. Compare DeSoto’s chronicler’s description of cities along the Mississippi with the accounts of French missionaries 200 years later, describing virtually no populations at all.

Also, there are more Indians in the U.S. now than when whites came, and millions upon millions of people who have some Indian “blood” in the U.S. who are considered “white”.

There certainly were injustices perpetrated on Indians by white settlers, and no one should deny that. But that was also in a context of genocide the Indians had, themselves, perpetrated on each other long before and during white settlement. In my own area, the “native” population was wiped out by a northern tribe that wanted their farm lands for a “hunting preserve.” And they got it done, too, before the first European settler set foot on the land.
 
Of possible interest. I heard on the radio that 60% of Hispanics in the U.S. favor immigration reform AFTER illegal immigration is reduced 90%, but not before.

Unfortunately, minorities legally in this country often have the low-end jobs and don’t need the competition from a flood of new contestants for their jobs. The problem in this country is not lack of immigration reform, but lack of jobs.

And since this administration is seemingly doing everything in its power to stifle job creation, pushing for legalization of millions of competitors for scarce jobs is breathtakingly unjust. White elitists might not see that, but apparently a lot of Hispanic-Americans do.
 
ReConverted said:
The law of GOD. Native Americans slaughtered. Those that weren’t were put on “Reservations”. “Hey, we’re taking all your land and many of your lives. Sorry 'bout all the corpses. BTW, we’re Christians!”
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It’s easy to blame only the white man for breaking God’s law…until you realize that Native Americans were engaging in far more brutal practices and taking eachother’s land. That part gets glossed over though. 🤷:rolleyes:
 
Ridgerunner said:
Of possible interest. I heard on the radio that 60% of Hispanics in the U.S. favor immigration reform AFTER illegal immigration is reduced 90%, but not before.

Unfortunately, minorities legally in this country often have the low-end jobs and don’t need the competition from a flood of new contestants for their jobs.
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It is more than that. It is lack of preparation for jobs other than those which ensure a cycle of poverty. And that is because of non-fluency, low literacy, low educational level, and under-preparation for a technological economy by the vast majority of illegal immigrants.

When a native U.S. college graduate takes an “entry-level” job, that graduate is still on a likely potential rise to better things, and if not, he is in a position to advance his current skills, layering those with previous education and skills. Not so with most illegal immigrants. They can be half a century behind, and in the pace of modern momentum, that gap continues to widen. You can work in menial, low-paid service, or you can work in menial, low-paid service. Think nineteenth century British aristocracy and the servant class: if you made it into a nice, wealthy household in a stable position of service, you could have a reasonably safe and structured life, but your ceiling was really low and your opportunities quite limited.

And please no one bring up that the children of the immigrants is all that we should be concerned about. I find that pretty uncharitable. The immigrant parents may see themselves as sacrificial lambs, and apparently much of the public does, but I don’t consider that an enlightened public policy; I just don’t. The “end justifying the means” is a poor moral framework, and in the meantime, “the end” also can became economic wards of the State.
 
chero23 said:
I’m glad that they did this. Although I must be honest, some people here although their catholic, have some pretty negative comments about immigrants. They don’t remember that the USA was born out of immigrants.
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I highly doubt that. Most people here are against the breaking of federal laws. The Church says that every sovereign nation has the right to control its borders and who comes in. So why is the US any different? It’s not fair for those who struggle and wait years for citizenship while others who have come here illegally, abusing the system, demand citizenship. Most people have a problem with that and that doesn’t make one a bad Catholic contrary to the what the “social justice” crowd says. Giving amnesty will only promote more illegal immigration, so this is not a valid solution, but neither is mass deportation because this will lead to the breaking up of families which is inhumane. The democratic part does not care about immigrants, all they see is more votes, and I am sure the other side thinks the same way.
 
chero23 said:
So the whole idea of the USA being a land of immigrants goes off the wall huh? Why can they get away with it, and be called fathers of the country, is it bc they are white, from European descent? These people who the majority are hard working that come from Latin American can’t get the same treatment?
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Please Chero! Don’t act as a victim. Numerous people of illegal status are doing well with free health care and social services.
 
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