Paul Ryan!!

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Not only was Mitt Romney the wrong choice for President, Paul Ryan is the wrong choice for Vice President. In my opinion, neither of these men represent traditional conservative values, all rhetoric to the contrary.

In my opinion, Romney made another “gaffe” (this seems to be a popular word these days) when he declared Paul Ryan “the intellecutal leader of the GOP” (latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-declares-paul-ryan-the-intellectual-leader-of-the-gop-20120811,0,35529.story). The major mistake made by the Romney’s and the Ryan’s of the GOP is to frame this election about “the economy” and about “stopping Obama.” Unfortunately for Romney and Ryan (and it gives me no pleasure to say this as I could never vote for Obama given his clear anti-life record) when it comes time to the debates, Obama and the Democratic machine is going to pick their records apart, particuarly on abortion (Romney) and particuarly on the economy (Ryan). Ryan certainly sells himself as “pro-economy” and as a traditional conservative, but his record belies that rhetoric. Ryan practically begged FOR the Bailouts (THE primary issue with Tea Party Conservatives). His record on big government spending (entitlements, education, government stimuli) is horrible. Ryan also has a terrible record on foreign policy and appears to be in the pocket of the foreign lobbying group AIPAC (as does Romney and Obama for that matter). The foreign policy of Obama, Romney and Ryan is nearly identical. It only differs in degree. And most importantly, the very voters that Republican Party needs to win the election (independent conservatives and disillusioned Democrats) will never vote for a Romney ticket let alone a Romney/Ryan ticket; they will never vote for these statists. Unfortunately, I think we are in for a repeat of the McCain debacle and I think Obama has already won this thing.
 
From Rasmussen:

Mitt Romney announced this morning that Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan will be his running mate.

Earlier polling found that 39% of all voters had a favorable opinion of Ryan, while 25% offered a negative review. Thirty-five percent (35%) express no opinion of Ryan. The congressman is relatively unknown to the nation at large. Only a third of voters have a strong opinion in either direction.

Wisconsin is a state both sides consider key to the presidential election. Right now, President Obama has a modest three-point lead over Romney in the state, and it remains a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College Projections.

Scott Rasmussen has explained why Romney’s roll-out of his vice presidential pick is as important as the choice itself. “Most Americans will learn all they know about the new name on the ticket during the week the candidate is introduced,” he wrote in a recent newspaper column. While 69% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Ryan, 42% of voters not affiliated with either major political party have no opinion of him one way or the other at this point.

rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/august_2012/39_have_favorable_opinion_of_paul_ryan_25_unfavorable2
 
ringil said:
This was not a wise decision for Romney. He needs independent votes to win the election. He already had the Conservatives in his pocket.

I’m hoping he has pulled a “McCain” here.
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Independents statistically are overwhelmingly fiscal conservatives, at least as far as managing the budget, and tend to be indifferent to social issues. Ryan is known as a fiscal conservative who knows economics. While he is socially conservative, he is known for his fiscal views. That’s why he is a great choice.

Do not confuse independents with fiscal moderates.
 
JonNC said:
You are exactly right on this!!! And yet the younger voters seem bent on continuing the mistakes of my generation by voting for the same kind of people who put us in this position in the first place. Obama is LBJ on steroids (figuratively).

Jon
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Yeah I agree, but that’s because throughout public schooling and even Catholic schooling we were condition to always vote left because that’s the “justice” we care about more :rolleyes:

In my education we were thought more about civil rights, and promoting peace and blah blah blah. Emphasis was not put on math, sciences, literature, and when it came to history it was all about the injustices of America. Liberalism has done much damage to this country and sadly it’s going to be a while until all this clears up.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
:bigyikes:

Baby Boomers getting OLD??? Ha! Not as long as they have botox, face lifts, hair transplants, and Viagra!

:rotfl:
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Lol it is the generation that claim they would be young forever lol.

BTW I am not attacking everyone who belongs in that generation, I am only stating from my life experience which isn’t much compared to baby-boomers.
 
gamewell45 said:
Ryan is a poor choice. As I mentioned in an earlier post here Romney has a dismal track record as far as organized labor goes and Ryan is just as bad if not worse. Even tho’ he is not running for President, Ryan’s selection as VP does nothing of me and thus I will remain committed to supporting President Obama in the election.
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If Romney was courting the union-vote or you, this might matter. You were never considering Romney anyway, so you’re no loss.
 
For those asking if seniors will go for Ryan:

seniors actually liked Ryan’s plan best, according to a Gallup poll in 2011:
A new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan‘s plan to deal with the budget – seniors.

The poll finds 48 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) support Ryan’s plan over President Obama‘s plan, while 42 percent back the president.

That’s the highest total among the age groups tested – a 47 percent plurality between the ages of 50 and 64 backed Ryan, and a 45 percent plurality of those between 30-49 backed Ryan. But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.
 
archangel04 said:
Exactly! This is the largest generations, it takes two generations to be able to even out the plains with their numbers. With the advances of medicine most of them will be living for long time, I am not saying this is bad, but how can they expect us to pay? They sucked out the life of our economy and yet they demand more? Give me a break!! The word part is that you have many of them still in the work place refusing to retire so that others can take over. Many of them who I know in life are very selfish in general, when they talk about politics it’s all about “what can they do for ME”.
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One moment: you want baby-boomers to retire but, at the same time, you don’t want them to take money from your generation? Conservatives often complain about the liberal instigation of class warfare, but what about the generational age warfare that some conservatives on this thread are waging?
 
eightandsand said:
Not only was Mitt Romney the wrong choice for President, Paul Ryan is the wrong choice for Vice President. In my opinion, neither of these men represent traditional conservative values, all rhetoric to the contrary.
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And most importantly, the very voters that Republican Party needs to win the election (independent conservatives and disillusioned Democrats) will never vote for a Romney ticket let alone a Romney/Ryan ticket; they will never vote for these statists. …
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Since you/they would “never vote for Romney,” the VP pick seems to be a moot point. I’m sure there are such people out there…only 50% of the people bother to vote for president as it is. At the same time, I think the number of “independent conservatives and disillusioned Democrats” who would use the term “statists” is miniscule. I think voter apathy is, generally, more apathetic: those who don’t vote don’t care why they don’t vote. You are the exception.
 
meltzerboy said:
One moment: you want baby-boomers to retire but, at the same time, you don’t want them to take money from your generation? Conservatives often complain about the liberal instigation of class warfare, but what about the generational age warfare that some conservatives on this thread are waging?
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Most of them are on nice pensions or 401k. I would have hope that with the long lives and the many years of worked they would have been able to save up 😃

Now I understand not everyone got that chance and for those who were responsible with their money but yet came short I see no problem in government assistance. Other than that most of those in that generation lived during economic property something that I unfortunately got to see very little of. I know that if I get to live to retirement there wont be any SS or Medicare hence why I am saving and trying to make smart choices.
 
salusanimarum17 said:
Since you/they would “never vote for Romney,” the VP pick seems to be a moot point. I’m sure there are such people out there…only 50% of the people bother to vote for president as it is. At the same time, I think the number of “independent conservatives and disillusioned Democrats” who would use the term “statists” is miniscule. I think voter apathy is, generally, more apathetic: those who don’t vote don’t care why they don’t vote. You are the exception.
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The VP pick didn’t have to be a moot point. That was the point.

And the conservative independents and disillusioned democrats that I mentioned are hardly apathetic. When one serves in combat, one generally becomes very sensitive to the issues. Of course, there are always exceptions.
 
Fantastic news. Now we’ll have a VP that is a pro-life Catholic. 🙂
 
This will make the focus of the election the economy. Obama has no budget-Ryan/Romney do. If Obama wants to criticize their budget he has to propose one of his own. Criticizing Romeny/Ryan and ranting about the rich not paying their fair share will not be enough.

Its a great pick. Obama is toast.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Fantastic news. Now we’ll have a VP that is a pro-life Catholic. 🙂
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Krauthammer said that Ryan’s speech indicated that it won’t be just a policy ideas Ryan will put forth, but a broader philosophical ones.
“But second is also the shift in grounds, the dynamic of the debate — the argument from stewardship, from who can do a better job. to ideas,” he continued. “When Ryan spoke, he mentioned our rights are from nature and God. That’s a fairly fundamental idea. It isn’t even a policy. It’s a philosophy. He wants to make the debate about the philosophy of government and the policies that then follow. And I think by doing this they are now running on what is essentially an argument, ‘No to the status quo.’ It’s a complete reversal of 2008. Obama in 2008 was hope and change. ‘You don’t like status quo, we’ve got ideas.’”

Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/08/11/krauthammer-on-ryan-veep-pick-change-is-now-on-the-side-of-republicans/#ixzz23G6Ma0sz
 
estesbob said:
This will make the focus of the election the economy. Obama has no budget-Ryan/Romney do. If Obama wants to criticize their budget he has to propose one of his own. Criticizing Romeny/Ryan and ranting about the rich not paying their fair share will not be enough.

Its a great pick. Obama is toast.
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I quote you in full, sir.
 
eightandsand said:
The VP pick didn’t have to be a moot point. That was the point.

And the conservative independents and disillusioned democrats that I mentioned are hardly apathetic. When one serves in combat, one generally becomes very sensitive to the issues. Of course, there are always exceptions.
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For people who would never vote for Romney (as you said), it is necessarily a moot point. For you then, who as a VP pick would have convinced you to vote for Romney?
 
gilliam said:
For those asking if seniors will go for Ryan:

seniors actually liked Ryan’s plan best, according to a Gallup poll in 2011:
A new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan‘s plan to deal with the budget – seniors.

The poll finds 48 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) support Ryan’s plan over President Obama‘s plan, while 42 percent back the president.

That’s the highest total among the age groups tested – a 47 percent plurality between the ages of 50 and 64 backed Ryan, and a 45 percent plurality of those between 30-49 backed Ryan. But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.
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Thanks for posting. Dismisses that seniors will not vote Ryan because of his budget, and if it is not an issue for seniors who democrats have targeted with lies about Ryan’s plan then doubt it will be an issue for other voters
 
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